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Rotherham victim says abusers are 'untouchable'
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29-01-2015 4:32pm#1Rotherham Victim Says Abusers 'Untouchable'... A survivor of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham claims she still sees her abusers "driving young girls in their car", as a Sky News investigation reveals hundreds of new cases continue to emerge.A survivor of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham claims she still sees her abusers "driving young girls in their car", as a Sky News investigation reveals hundreds of new cases continue to emerge.
In August 2014, the Alexis Jay report identified 1,400 cases of child sexual exploitation in the Yorkshire town.
But Sky News has learned that hundreds more cases were known to authorities prior to its publication and that hundreds more are being reported.
Victims continue to feel let down by authorities.
One survivor "Gemma" told Sky News: "It's still going on if not worse, because now they're having to hide it more.
"I'm still seeing my abusers driving young girls in their car. They're untouchable."
The Alexis Jay report found that hundreds of children had been sexually exploited, mostly by Asian gangs, and that Rotherham Council and South Yorkshire police had failed to tackle the problem.
Jayne Senior, who ran an outreach programme for victims in Rotherham called Risky Business, has revealed that she reported nearly 1,700 cases of grooming or sexual exploitation to the council's children's services between 1999 and 2011.
This was a shorter time period than that examined by the report.
"I was accused of saying too much, of sharing too much information, reporting too much intelligence," she told Sky News in her first interview.
"Risky Business didn't make all this up. It was accused of making it all up and Alexis Jay exonerated all of that."
The report found Risky Business was seen by the borough's social care services "as something of a nuisance".
It added that "there were too many examples of young people who were properly referred by Risky Business to children's social care and who somehow fell through the net and were not treated with the priority they deserved".
Risky Business was shut down in 2011 and victims have expressed frustration that a recent application to set up a new support group has been turned down by the council despite recommendations in the Jay report.
"It shouldn't have been shut down," one victim told Sky News.
"Because that was an agency that was trying to tackle the situation. But knowing now that it was all a cover-up then I think it was closed down because they were trying to tackle the problem."
Rotherham MP Sarah Champion said she was also baffled as to why Risky Business was discontinued.
Full article - http://news.sky.com/story/1416946/rotherham-victim-says-abusers-untouchable
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/rotherham-child-sex-victim-says-she-still-sees-abusers-driving-young-girls-in-their-car-as-claims-emerge-of-hundreds-of-new-cases-10009992.html
The British government are not doing anything apart from hem and haw, meanwhile, girls are getting raped by the grooming gangs. I can't imagine how helpless and angry the victims and their families feel about it.Tagged:18
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.....and cases will continue to be swept under the carpet. Because there are too many interest groups preventing discussion. Anything to deflect. Even in this thread the first page is swipes at everything other than discussion of the abusers and the lack of action by the police.0
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MOD: I've deleted the bull from this thread. If you want to bicker, go somewhere else. Now let's start again without the insults and while we're at it, let's try not go down the casual racism route too.0
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Being completely ignorant to the whole situation, why are these abusers untouchable? Surely they should be brought to justice or at the verrry least be prevented from continuing.
Also if people have a problem with the fact that the OP possibly did select this story because it involves a Muslim gang, just don't talk about that fact. If it isn't relevant it doesn't need to be discussed, if it is relevant then fair enough. This story surely deserves to be taken seriously, even if the OP is possibly using it as a hammer to hit Muslims with.
Edit: well I look fairly simple now after the mod edit. Blagh0 -
RedemptionZ wrote: »Being completely ignorant to the whole situation, why are these abusers untouchable? Surely they should be brought to justice or at the verrry least be prevented from continuing.
Also if people have a problem with the fact that the OP possibly did select this story because it involves a Muslim gang, just don't talk about that fact. If it isn't relevant it doesn't need to be discussed, if it is relevant then fair enough. This story surely deserves to be taken seriously, even if the OP is possibly using it as a hammer to hit Muslims with.
Edit: well I look fairly simple now after the mod edit. Blagh
Institutionalised political correctness was a big factor in them escaping justice for so long.0 -
People really should read the Alexis Jay report, it's available at http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham
There were a number of factors involved but the two main ones involved seem to be a culture of "victim blaming" in the police and especially the CPS which led to prosecutions being dropped. To cite the report8.36 In October 2013, the Director of Public Prosecutions at that time, Keir Starmer, revised the CPS guidance on child sexual exploitation to set out a clear, agreed approach which prosecutors would take to tackle cases of child sexual abuse. A list of stereotypical behaviours previously thought to undermine the credibility of young victims was included to dispel the associated myths when bringing a prosecution. These included:
The victim invited sex by the way they dressed or acted
The victim used alcohol or drugs and was therefore sexually available
The victim didn't scream, fight or protest so they must have been consenting
The victim didn't complain immediately, so it can't have been a sexual assault
The victim is in a relationship with the alleged offender and is therefore a willing partner
A victim should remember events consistently
Children can consent to their own sexual exploitation
CSE is only a problem in certain ethnic/cultural communities
Only girls and young women are victims of child sexual abuse
Children from BME backgrounds are not abused
There will be physical evidence of abuse.
8.37 All of the above elements have been referred to at some point in historic files we read, usually as reasons given by the Police or the CPS for not pursuing suspected perpetrators. This guidance was welcomed by many of the main organisations, both statutory and voluntary, dealing with CSE.
And the fear of accusations of racism inhibited investigation. This was largely a problem stemming from men of pakistani heritage, a country with a highly patriarchal and misogynistic background. Not only did it happen in Rotherham but there have been issues in half a dozen other towns in the UK involving me of a similar background. Now of course, no-one is saying that everyone from that background is involved in this type of thing, that would be ridiculous, but if a certain ethnic group has issues in its culture that can lead to CSE then it should at least be talked about and tackled, it shouldn't be swept under the carpet out of fear of political correctness or whatever terminology one wishes to use.11.4 Dr Heal, in her 2003 report, stated that 'In Rotherham the local Asian community are reported to rarely speak about them [the perpetrators].' The subject was taboo and local people were probably equally frightened of the violent tendencies of the perpetrators as the young women they were abusing. In her 2006 report she described how the appeal of organised sexual exploitation for Asian gangs had changed. In the past, it had been for their personal gratification, whereas now it offered 'career and financial opportunities to young Asian men who got involved’. She also noted that Iraqi Kurds and Kosovan men were participating in organised activities against young women.
11.5 In her 2006 report, she stated that 'it is believed by a number of workers that one of the difficulties that prevent this issue [CSE] being dealt with effectively is the ethnicity of the main perpetrators'.
11.6 She also reported in 2006 that young people in Rotherham believed at that time that the Police dared not act against Asian youths for fear of allegations of racism. This perception was echoed at the present time by some young people we met during the Inquiry, but was not supported by specific examples.
11.7 Several people interviewed expressed the general view that ethnic considerations had influenced the policy response of the Council and the Police, rather than in individual cases. One example was given by the Risky Business project Manager (1997- 2012) who reported that she was told not to refer to the ethnic origins of perpetrators when carrying out training. Other staff in children’s social care said that when writing reports on CSE cases, they were advised by their managers to be cautious about referring to the ethnicity of the perpetrators.0 -
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Victims have now received death threats after committee chairman Keith Vaz 'accidentally puts their contact addresses online'.Survivors of child abuse say they have received death threats after the chairman of a Commons committee released scores of emails containing the identities of four abuse victims.
In a letter to the home secretary, the victims, who have been campaigning for changes to the independent child abuse inquiry, condemned the decision by Keith Vaz, chair of the home affairs select committee (HASC), to place the emails which contain the victims’ names and disparaging comments about them, on the committee website.
I don't think you have to be a genius to see what is going on here. Throw a few examples to the wolves, and scare the rest off from speaking out. Distract, detract, redact.0 -
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Boring username wrote: »Victims have now received death threats after committee chairman Keith Vaz 'accidentally puts their contact addresses online'.
I don't think you have to be a genius to see what is going on here. Throw a few examples to the wolves, and scare the rest off from speaking out. Distract, detract, redact.
Vaz is an utter idiot. Vicitms will be very hesitant to come further now, due to the fact that if they do so, their name and private contact details could very well be made public.0 -
Personally I feel that the fear of being labelled racist thing was a convenient excuse for lack of action by the police and social services. Easier to say that than to admit that abusers of all kinds are protected and have been for years and are operating on an organized level within the institutions that are supposed to protect children.
The report into the case cited many reasons for nothing being done, not that it was simply all about 'political correctness'.0 -
Agreed. Rings will intersect and there's way too many convenient coincidences happening.Personally I feel that the fear of being labelled racist thing was a convenient excuse for lack of action by the police and social services. Easier to say that than to admit that abusers of all kinds are protected and have been for years and are operating on an organized level within the institutions that are supposed to protect children.
The report into the case cited many reasons for nothing being done, not that it was simply all about 'political correctness'.0 -
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Personally I feel that the fear of being labelled racist thing was a convenient excuse for lack of action by the police and social services. Easier to say that than to admit that abusers of all kinds are protected and have been for years and are operating on an organized level within the institutions that are supposed to protect children.
The report into the case cited many reasons for nothing being done, not that it was simply all about 'political correctness'.
It would still be wrong to ignore the cultural and racial elements involved in this case.
The Muslim men involved saw the white, indigenous, working class girls they raped and tortured as immoral sluts. Inferior forms of life deserving of every degradation they suffered. They were informed by their cultural and religious beliefs to regard their treatment of their victims as right and proper.
Political correctness in this case didn't just mean that the authorities merely turned a blind eye to his case, they actively aided and protected the Muslim rape gangs. One particular father who attempted to intervene himself and free his daughter from these animals was promptly arrested by the police. Those within the authorities who expressed misgivings about the dealings of Muslim men with local girls in the area were swiftly silenced and forced to attend equality and race relation courses. This allowed the abuse to continue uninterrupted for years.
The fact most of the girls involved were working class meant that no-one who had the duty and capacity to help was willing to risk their careers by incurring the automatic racist accusations an intervention would raise for far too long a time.
Simply put, no one cared about these girls. Fear of being branded racist far outweighed any sense of duty or compassion.
It's still happening. Wish I could say I was surprised. It will continue to happen until official England cleanses itself of this craven culture of political correctness so deeply ingrained in it.0 -
Yeah. "Accidentally." Keith Vaz is an asshat of the lowest order. He's been involved in a list of scandals as long as your arm, he blamed Counter Strike for a series of shootings in Malmo, successfully campaigned for the banning of some video games, and most crucially, he was on the side of the Islamofascists (not unlike the rest of the Left I'm sure) during the Salman Rushdie "Satanic Verses" affair.Boring username wrote: »Victims have now received death threats after committee chairman Keith Vaz 'accidentally puts their contact addresses online'.
A committed multicultural leftist, dhimmi in waiting and part of the political class that obviously hates British people, I can't think of anyone in the UK with the possible exception of Anjem Choudhury that is more unsuitable to run an investigation into the Rotherham mass child gang rapes than him.0 -
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Personally I feel that the fear of being labelled racist thing was a convenient excuse for lack of action by the police and social services.
You cannot deny that it was a big factor in the cover.A researcher was sent on a diversity awareness course - and faced the sack - for raising the alarm about the appalling abuse of children in Rotherham and the fact most of the perpetrators were of Pakistani descent, it has been reported.
Some 1,400 children were abused between 1997 and 2013 in the South Yorkshire town, including cases of them of being made to witness brutal rapes, being covered in petrol and threatened with being set alight, according to a devastating report last week.
Many of the victims were young girls in care of the council - which was accused of "blatant" failures in not dealing with the problem.
The researcher, who was seconded to Rotherham Council from the Home Office in 2002, spoke to BBC Panorama anonymously and said she was told she must "never, ever" again mention the fact they most of the abusers were Asian men.
Rotherham Council even tried to have her sacked when she resisted pressure to change the findings of the report she completed, she said.
She interviewed 270 under-age girls who had been victims of abuse, identified by sexual exploitation outreach service Risky Business, and passed the report to the council.
She recalled the reaction of one official to it, saying: "She said you must never refer to that again. You must never refer to Asian men.
"And her other response was to book me on a two-day ethnicity and diversity course to raise my awareness of ethnic issues."
She also told the programme that data backing up her report, stored by Risky Business, went missing just after it was submitted.
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The Silence over this is very telling. If the perpetrators were the RCC there would be a $hitstorm over it.0
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The Silence over this is very telling. If the perpetrators were the RCC there would be a $hitstorm over it.
Some causes are cooler than others.
(Mainstream British feminism is devoting far more passion to the demise of page 3 and the total destruction of Ched Evans ((he's white, you understand)) than to highlighting the organised, mass sexual exploitation of young women and female children)
Some victims are more beloved of social warriors than others.
(White, working class people come somewhere at the bottom of this list)
Some criminals are easier to denounce than others.
(The competitive outrage over the murder of a dog on AH came to 21 pages of sharing violent revenge fantasies and pledging monetary reward for those who help bring the perpetrators to justice)
Meanwhile, the industrial level rape and torture of indigenous English girls by ethnically Asian men continues uninterrupted to the sounds of deafening silence from the human rights industry,the left, the public, most of the media, feminism and the English authorities.0 -
The Silence over this is very telling. If the perpetrators were the RCC there would be a $hitstorm over it.
You're kidding right? The RCC got away with CSE on a massive scale for DECADES.
Now I know you have a chip on your shoulder about catholicism being attacked or whatever but that isn't what this thread is about, if you want to talk about the RCC's role in CSE and peoples criticism of it then start another thread on it.0 -
It would still be wrong to ignore the cultural and racial elements involved in this case.
The Muslim men involved saw the white, indigenous, working class girls they raped and tortured as immoral sluts. Inferior forms of life deserving of every degradation they suffered. They were informed by their cultural and religious beliefs to regard their treatment of their victims as right and proper.
I think people over play the muslim bit. I agree that police tiptoes far too much and were afraid they'd be seen as racist. that was wrong.
But as for this because caused because the men were muslim... that's not true. It was caused because they were scum. There were similar cases throughout the UK which didn't involve muslim men.
Having said that it is over simplistic to suggest that the men were just evil. they did come from under educated backgrounds and they had no respect for women.
There is a certain subsection of UK male culture which doesn't have any respect for women. this can be seen in the "lad" culture. People who draw too much on that culture don't have any respect for women.
Likewise there is a culture in SE Asia which doesn't respect women. This can be seen in India for example. I think the Rotherham gang were probably heavily influenced by that. However it's not "muslim" culture. In India Hindus are just as likely to be abusers. That attitude spreads all across India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. It crosses religious boundaries.0 -
I think people over play the muslim bit. I agree that police tiptoes far too much and were afraid they'd be seen as racist. that was wrong.
But as for this because caused because the men were muslim... that's not true. It was caused because they were scum. There were similar cases throughout the UK which didn't involve muslim men.
Having said that it is over simplistic to suggest that the men were just evil. they did come from under educated backgrounds and they had no respect for women.
There is a certain subsection of UK male culture which doesn't have any respect for women. this can be seen in the "lad" culture.
I or anyone else never suggested that the sexual exploitation of young people and children was the sole preserve of Muslim men. It isn't.
The abusers in the Rotherham case were informed by both their cultural and religious beliefs to see no wrong in what they were doing and are continuing to do. Both many near Eastern cultures and most interpretations of Islam itself enforce a misogynistic, patriarchal view of the world.
The character (white, working class, non-religious) of those targeted suggest that they were seen as immoral, unclean and fair game for exploitation as they did not conform to the abuser's religious and cultural ideal of how young women and children should look, dress and behave.
The motivations and justification of these rape gangs are both cultural and religious. One feeds the other.
Not sure why you'd bring "lad culture" into it. This is a largely imaginary construct, a manufactured label the more joyless strains of feminism in particular likes to put on normal, largely innocuous young male behaviour in a spiteful attempt to demonise all young men for being as all young men have been since the human race began.
In any case, I haven't seen any evidence of the stated adherents of "lad culture" or the clear products of "lad culture" forming pedophile rings to prey on a certain type of person.
There are, of course, many factors at play in the ongoing Rotherham outrage. The fact that the perpetrators are overwhelming Muslim is not the only one. But it is a major one that is being relentlessly ignored and swept under the carpet by the kind of craven political correctness that allowed this horrible situation to develop in the first place and is allowing it to continue as I type.
I never argued the rapists are inherently evil. Their actions are blatantly evil.
Their imported culture of misogyny and racism is evil and has no place in liberal, tolerant European society.0 -
BlaasForRafa wrote: »You're kidding right? The RCC got away with CSE on a massive scale for DECADES
This is true, but I believe the point he was trying to make was if this had been a case of RCC abuse rather than abuse by elements within the British Muslim community we'd have got well beyond two pages by now and we'd have seen far fewer attempts to shut down the conversation and downplay the religious factors involved.0 -
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This is true, but I believe the point he was trying to make was if this had been a case of RCC abuse rather than abuse by elements within the British Muslim community we'd have got well beyond two pages by now and we'd have seen far fewer attempts to shut down the conversation and downplay the religious factors involved.
There have been threads about islam or "muslims" that have reached into dozens and even hundreds of pages so I don't think it's because this is issue related to islam or muslims. The reason it isn't going into so many pages is because absolutely no-one is defending what happened or blaming someone else or trying to deflect the issue, perhaps some of the RCC threads go on so long because of that?0 -
This is true, but I believe the point he was trying to make was if this had been a case of RCC abuse rather than abuse by elements within the British Muslim community we'd have got well beyond two pages by now and we'd have seen far fewer attempts to shut down the conversation and downplay the religious factors involved.
As you said, it was people who were Muslim, with the RCC it was the organisation itself which was involved, not just a few people who were Christian.
This also happened in another country.
Im sure there are plenty peadophile rings which get no mention on boards. Theres not much to say on the topic. The police should have done something but didnt.0 -
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end of the road wrote: »it wasn't. self preservation was.
Any sort of theory behind this or is this just another one of your inane statements?0 -
political correctness had and has nothing to do with this. its simple self preservation and an uncaring attitude to the children. political correctness/fear of being branded racist is just an excuse, an excuse that doesn't wash with me. the authorities and the rest only care about themselves and coming out of this squeeky cleanIt would still be wrong to ignore the cultural and racial elements involved in this case.
The Muslim men involved saw the white, indigenous, working class girls they raped and tortured as immoral sluts. Inferior forms of life deserving of every degradation they suffered. They were informed by their cultural and religious beliefs to regard their treatment of their victims as right and proper.
Political correctness in this case didn't just mean that the authorities merely turned a blind eye to his case, they actively aided and protected the Muslim rape gangs. One particular father who attempted to intervene himself and free his daughter from these animals was promptly arrested by the police. Those within the authorities who expressed misgivings about the dealings of Muslim men with local girls in the area were swiftly silenced and forced to attend equality and race relation courses. This allowed the abuse to continue uninterrupted for years.
The fact most of the girls involved were working class meant that no-one who had the duty and capacity to help was willing to risk their careers by incurring the automatic racist accusations an intervention would raise for far too long a time.
Simply put, no one cared about these girls. Fear of being branded racist far outweighed any sense of duty or compassion.
It's still happening. Wish I could say I was surprised. It will continue to happen until official England cleanses itself of this craven culture of political correctness so deeply ingrained in it.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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This is true, but I believe the point he was trying to make was if this had been a case of RCC abuse rather than abuse by elements within the British Muslim community we'd have got well beyond two pages by now and we'd have seen far fewer attempts to shut down the conversation and downplay the religious factors involved.
This is true. Just look at the thread about the school closing down an anti LGBT workshop. I suppose the RCC is still seen as 'the establishment' while men from the sub continent who groom white girls for abuse are not. There is an obvious racial element to this case but that is too much for many to comment on. Everyone must worship at the alter of political correctness you know. People desperately want to conform to be seen as tolerant and open minded so instead of criticising this culture from some sections of that community they go after the now well beaten low hanging fruit e.g. RCC. So its utterly predictable and interest groups are generally pathetic with their double standard.0 -
This is true. Just look at the thread about the school closing down an anti LGBT workshop. I suppose the RCC is still seen as 'the establishment' while men from the sub continent who groom white girls for abuse are not. There is an obvious racial element to this case but that is too much for many to comment on. Everyone must worship at the alter of political correctness you know. People desperately want to conform to be seen as tolerant and open minded so instead of criticising this culture from some sections of that community they go after the now well beaten low hanging fruit e.g. RCC. So its utterly predictable and interest groups are generally pathetic with their double standard.
So go start a thread on your little hobby horse then.
Have you got anything of actual substance about the Rotherham issue or is this just a whinge about anti-catholic repression?0 -
bull. those who commit crime should be criticised. not criticising a group for the sake of criticising a group doesn't make you politicaly correct (as that doesn't exist anyway)This is true. Just look at the thread about the school closing down an anti LGBT workshop. I suppose the RCC is still seen as 'the establishment' while men from the sub continent who groom white girls for abuse are not. There is an obvious racial element to this case but that is too much for many to comment on. Everyone must worship at the alter of political correctness you know. People desperately want to conform to be seen as tolerant and open minded so instead of criticising this culture from some sections of that community they go after the now well beaten low hanging fruit e.g. RCC. So its utterly predictable and interest groups are generally pathetic with their double standard.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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This is true. Just look at the thread about the school closing down an anti LGBT workshop. I suppose the RCC is still seen as 'the establishment' while men from the sub continent who groom white girls for abuse are not. There is an obvious racial element to this case but that is too much for many to comment on. Everyone must worship at the alter of political correctness you know. People desperately want to conform to be seen as tolerant and open minded so instead of criticising this culture from some sections of that community they go after the now well beaten low hanging fruit e.g. RCC. So its utterly predictable and interest groups are generally pathetic with their double standard.
To be honest this kind of thing is why I started to avoid these threads. They became a place where unless you are giving out about the liberal PC homoerotic agenda you cant actually discuss anything.
Really, people saying they couldnt go after peadophiles because people might say they are racist? That has to be the worst excuse I have ever heard. They would have loved to help the girls but no, they might have been called a name. How could they ever manage?0 -
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shruikan2553 wrote: »They would have loved to help the girls but no, they might have been called a name. How couldn't they ever manage?
According to the report, by being sent on a diversity training course and to be told not to repeat that the men were Asian ever again.0
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