Golf Van Mark 7

tf2

Well guys,

A two door commercial golf for €16,290 ex VAT. (€19,990 incl VAT)

http://blog.volkswagen.ie/tag/volkswgen-golf-van/

Comes with a 5 speed gearbox with either 90hp or 110hp

Anyone have one/looking into one?

sasta le

Looking at car vans myself love the golf ones

TheBigGreen

It will sell well. I'd say it will be fair boring to drive in the 90bhp.

Why doesn't it have a 6 speed?

tf2

TheBigGreen wrote: »

I'd say it will be fair boring to drive in the 90bhp.

Why doesn't it have a 6 speed?

From what I gather there aren't any 110hp vans in the dealers. Its an 8 week minimum wait to get a 110 I was told. Depending on the colour and options that waiting time could be up to 12+.

Bpmull

My dad collected his one in November it was a demo with around 1k km on it. He really likes it. They are so rediculously quite inside and the seats are extremely comfortable I think they won some seat of the year award. 90bhp is suprising nippy would be very close to the 1.9tdi 105. If your getting one try get one with the business back which has a mfsw and cruise control among other things. Here is a few pictures of his one from when he collected it.

tf2

What sort of fuel economy is he getting out of it?

Bpmull

tf2 wrote: »

What sort of fuel economy is he getting out of it?

Not 100% sure but I'll ask him at some stage today bearing in mind there is still only 6 k km ish on it I find diesel don't fully break in until at least 10k on.

tf2

Bpmull wrote: »

Not 100% sure but I'll ask him at some stage today bearing in mind there is still only 6 k km ish on it I find diesel don't fully break in until at least 10k on.

I'd be keen to find out how the 90hp does on real world motorway journeys with it only having 5 gears.

Paddy@CIRL

Drove one late last year, absolutely awesome car van. Looks, drives & sounds like a car with lots of space and exceptionally comfortable.

Special Circumstances

Bpmull wrote: »

90bhp is suprising nippy would be very close to the 1.9tdi 105. If your getting one try get one with the business back which has a mfsw and cruise control among other things.

Party at the front, business at the back ja.
Those crazy germans with their reverse mullets.




edit - nice in the red though!

R.O.R

It will sell, because it's got a VW badge on the front.

From an overall cost of ownership perspective, it's pretty good. Even though it's expensive to buy, the forecasted resale value is quite a bit above the other car vans.

It is beaten from a Total Cost of Ownership perspective, by the Hyundai I-Pro. About the same standard specification, nicer seats in the I-Pro, and a damn sight cheaper to buy, but will have a lower resale value.

Useless fact - I advised VW on the load compartment fit out, so it's my fault the back of the bulkhead isn't carpeted :pac:

bazz26

R.O.R wrote: »

It will sell, because it's got a VW badge on the front.

From an overall cost of ownership perspective, it's pretty good. Even though it's expensive to buy, the forecasted resale value is quite a bit above the other car vans.

It is beaten from a Total Cost of Ownership perspective, by the Hyundai I-Pro. About the same standard specification, nicer seats in the I-Pro, and a damn sight cheaper to buy, but will have a lower resale value.

Useless fact - I advised VW on the load compartment fit out, so it's my fault the back of the bulkhead isn't carpeted :pac:

Are all car derived vans kitted out by the same company here or do the distributors choose?

R.O.R

bazz26 wrote: »

Are all car derived vans kitted out by the same company here or do the distributors choose?

There's a few different ones I think. Sportage's I've had in had a sticker on the back with the details of who did it (they came straight off - can't remember who they are, but they are based around Baldonel), and I'm told that NVD themselves do the conversion on the Kuga's and Focus's.

Bpmull

tf2 wrote: »

I'd be keen to find out how the 90hp does on real world motorway journeys with it only having 5 gears.

On reasonable length trips motorway driving he's getting 5.2 ish l/100km so 55mpg but as he said himself he drives it on and is not a very efficient driver either. He is over and back to the uk a good bit now so that's alot of its driving. He said if you were doing alot of short start stop trips it goes up to 5.8 l/100 km. so realistically your looking at 50-55mpg with 60 mpg being achievable if you were driving it with economy in mind.

Voodoomelon

Just had a look at the I Pro and it looks infinitely better than the Golf. €1700 cheaper too.

No aircon in the I Pro though.

colm_mcm

R.O.R wrote: »

There's a few different ones I think. Sportage's I've had in had a sticker on the back with the details of who did it (they came straight off - can't remember who they are, but they are based around Baldonel), and I'm told that NVD themselves do the conversion on the Kuga's and Focus's.

That company did the tata safari too. We got a couple of king cab hiluxes done by them too. Can't remember the name now.

mossy50

R.O.R wrote: »

There's a few different ones I think. Sportage's I've had in had a sticker on the back with the details of who did it (they came straight off - can't remember who they are, but they are based around Baldonel), and I'm told that NVD themselves do the conversion on the Kuga's and Focus's.

OGH ENTERPRISE HAS BEING DOING CONVERSIONS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO TOP NOTCH WORK

Bpmull

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Just had a look at the I Pro and it looks infinitely better than the Golf. €1700 cheaper too.

No aircon in the I Pro though.

He test drove one of them and didnt really like it at all. I think the interior looks infinitely better on the golf. The radio set up is very good too. You can literally do anything on it change a load of setting about the car it give status report, all consumption figures, great sound quality too even when playing music very loud it's clear. Your phone menus come up on it too.

The auto hill hold handbrake works very well ensures the car will never roll you just come to a stop and the car is always help by the handbrake you never need to have your foot on the brake when stopped.

Voodoomelon

I agree, the interior looks better in the Golf. Looks higher quality too.

tf2

Bpmull wrote: »

On reasonable length trips motorway driving he's getting 5.2 ish l/100km so 55mpg but as he said himself he drives it on and is not a very efficient driver either. He is over and back to the uk a good bit now so that's alot of its driving. He said if you were doing alot of short start stop trips it goes up to 5.8 l/100 km. so realistically your looking at 50-55mpg with 60 mpg being achievable if you were driving it with economy in mind.

Long way off the claimed 85.6 mpg or 3.3 l/100 km VW claim. (But that's not real world driving.)

MuppetCheck

tf2 wrote: »

Long way off the claimed 85.6 mpg or 3.3 l/100 km VW claim. (But that's not real world driving.)

About the same as the 2 litre with twice the power lugging a little more weight around...just saying...

Bpmull

MuppetCheck wrote: »

About the same as the 2 litre with twice the power lugging a little more weight around...just saying...

Well as I said my dad is a seriously uneconomical driver. But even driving it right your still only looking at early 60s mpg but then there is about 5-6k km on it too our octavia didn't get good on diesel on it had 15k km on it. But either way your never going to see 80 mpg out of it but then your not going to see it out of any of its rivals either.

L-M

tf2 wrote: »

Long way off the claimed 85.6 mpg or 3.3 l/100 km VW claim. (But that's not real world driving.)

I've driven a 90 Golf van extensively and on a national road averaging between 80-90 kmph I can get over 70 mpg out of it (I actually managed 74.6 mpg average as per the trip computer over 30km).

50/50 driven of that and motorway it was just under 60 mpg combined.

55 mpg combined is easily achievable.

tf2

Limerick man wrote: »

I've driven a 90 Golf van extensively and on a national road averaging between 80-90 kmph I can get over 70 mpg out of it (I actually managed 74.6 mpg average as per the trip computer over 30km).

50/50 driven of that and motorway it was just under 60 mpg combined.

55 mpg combined is easily achievable.

Is it charged the commercial rate going through tolls?

Bpmull

tf2 wrote: »

Is it charged the commercial rate going through tolls?

It would be yes. As far as the government are concerned it's a commercial van they don't car that it's car derived.

mhackett102

Great car and definitely better than any of its competitiors. Just one or two minor downsides to it;

1) Its charged as a commerical vehicle going throught the tolls.
2) New legislations in now that you must be either a farmer or a builder to insure yourself in a van, if you are neither than it will be insured as a car

Now im not 100% about the rules about the insurance, but its what I was told when I went to go insure myself on a Vw Caddy van.
They considered it as a passenger vehicle and so the insurance was crazy compared to what it shouldve been.

Bpmull

mhackett102 wrote: »

Great car and definitely better than any of its competitiors. Just one or two minor downsides to it;

1) Its charged as a commerical vehicle going throught the tolls.
2) New legislations in now that you must be either a farmer or a builder to insure yourself in a van, if you are neither than it will be insured as a car

Now im not 100% about the rules about the insurance, but its what I was told when I went to go insure myself on a Vw Caddy van.
They considered it as a passenger vehicle and so the insurance was crazy compared to what it shouldve been.

Any business can tax it as a commerical vehicle you don't have to be a farmer or builder. As for insurance that depends on the company most commercial policy's have sdp on them so you would be covered for private use.

tf2

Sitec wrote: »

Picking up one next week. I'll report on the mpg,I do a nice bit of mixed driving. First ever new car so it will be interesting to see if the fuel economy actually improves after the "break in" period or if there is one at all...

How's the car going?

Zimmerframe

Looking at the 110 bhp Golf van, as from a business point of view, there isn't a lot of choice in the market.
The N1 4x4s are crazy money, so it looks like it's gonna be a van. Don't actually need any "load carrying capacity, other than my lunch box.
I had the MkIV and MkV back in the day. Problem is, now I have gotten used to automatics.

Anyone know if the Golf van can be ordered in DSG, will ring dealer tomorrow.

More importantly,

Anyone driven golf's or similar powered vehicles with auto/dsg, what's the experience like. ?

colm_mcm

DSG is awesome.

Pretty certain you can't get it in a golf van.

L-M

It's based on the standard Golf three door passenger car so anything is possible really. It would be factory order though.

colm_mcm

You can get DSG in a caddy

Zimmerframe

colm_mcm wrote: »

You can get DSG in a caddy

Yuk

Zimmerframe

On even the Golf cars, on Vw "build and configure" page, DSG doesn't seem to get a mention until the GTD or GTI. ?

L-M

Zimmerframe wrote: »

On even the Golf cars, on Vw "build and configure" page, DSG doesn't seem to get a mention until the GTD or GTI. ?

You can get it on the 1.6 TDI 110 bhp and on the 1.2 TSI across the range. Not sure why you can't build it online.

DraganGTD

The best dsg transmissions are those once with 6 speeds for 2.0tdi then GTI and GTD. Much stronger and more reliable as they can stand higher torque. So many complaints with 7 speed.

air

Zimmerframe wrote: »

The N1 4x4s are crazy money, so it looks like it's gonna be a van.

The BIK is potentially many multiples of what you'll pay on the golf also, depending on your amount of annual business travel.

L-M

It's classed as a van so that shouldn't come into it. It's just a notional pay of 80ish euro a month.

air

Limerick man wrote: »

It's classed as a van so that shouldn't come into it. It's just a notional pay of 80ish euro a month.

N1 commercials are not classed as vans for BIK purposes, neither are crewcabs etc.
The rule is if you have seats or windows behind the drivers seat it is not classed as a van. There is only a van BIK rate, no such thing as commercial BIK rates.

Bpmull

According to the vw pricelist there is no dsg option now maybe you can get one through special order. Tbh even getting the 110bhp will be difficult as no dealer stocks or gets them in so that would be order from the factory too most likely.

http://www.volkswagen.ie/content/medialib/vwd4/ie/pdf-downloads/model-range-price-list/_jcr_content/renditions/rendition.download_attachment.file/150116sb_volkswagen-model-range_2015.pdf

tf2

Bpmull wrote: »

According to the vw pricelist there is no dsg option now maybe you can get one through special order. Tbh even getting the 110bhp will be difficult as no dealer stocks or gets them in so that would be order from the factory too most likely.

The only 110bhp vans they could offer me were two in white (and the dealer suspected they wouldn't be available for much longer). The waiting time was I think up to the end of May for a new 110bhp order in any other colour. Opted for the 90bhp in grey instead.

MuppetCheck

Trust me, that'll go down a lot quicker than you think. What I've noticed with VAGs the last half of the tank is only a little over a third in reality.

tf2

Sitec wrote: »

Same with most cars its the shape of the tank. Flat at the top and curved at the bottom.

Keep us informed as to how far you get before you put fuel into it again?

Bpmull

Sitec wrote: »

Will do but I'm not risking going deep in to the red. Haven't a clue what sort of reserve is on it.

It will keep improving for the first 10k km at least not going be great on diesel for the first 5k km as all diesels are like that they need a while to properly break in.

Bpmull

Sitec wrote: »

It will be interesting to see if the mpg improves. I've read some contradicting articles regarding the break in period for new diesel engines.

I'll track the whole process with "Fuelly". It's a really accurate app for tracking mpg etc and well worth getting.

My mothers octavia which is 1.6tdi (same engine) octavia kept improving for its first 10k km theres over 100k ln on it now and gets around 62mpg being driven right on longish trips but that's 2011 and doesn't have stop start or anything. My dads has said his golf van is still improving a bit each tank I think he has around 7k km on it now. I think they only have a 50 litre tank too which is small.

JohnBoy26

Thats around 382 miles from a 50 litre tank. It doesn't seem great when you consider a 1.5 civic from the mid 90's can achieve similar. Very nice van though.

MuppetCheck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Thats around 382 miles from a 50 litre tank. It doesn't seem great when you consider a 1.5 civic from the mid 90's can achieve similar. Very nice van though.

The tank isn't gone yet though.

JohnBoy26

MuppetCheck wrote: »

The tank isn't gone yet though.

I know. I used get around 500 miles to the orange refill light. How many miles would be left in that van do you think. I wonder would it make the 600 miles?

MuppetCheck

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I know. I used get around 500 miles to the orange refill light. How many miles would be left in that van do you think. I wonder would it make the 600 miles?

I reckon close on 900km all in to the warning...basing this on a leons gauge which is most likely got the same 50l tank and calibration. Won't take 50l to fill it, probably low - mid 40s.

You'd get 1000km if you're feeling lucky, punk:pac:

L-M

It won't do 150 on the red light. It will however get considerably better on fuel the more mileage you put on the engine.

MuppetCheck

Yeah, I've noticed when I leave it go to zero there's about two gallons left in it.

What kind of driving do you do out of interest?