How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

TheBeardedLady

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure what PC has to do with it. It is a call based on a mixture of the evidence - and what gay people are actually telling us of their own feelings and experience.

It has fook all to do with political correctness. My comment was sarcastic. I need to use this fella more often :pac:

reprise

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

It has fook all to do with political correctness. My comment was sarcastic. I need to use this fella more often :pac:

So do I, I find Gerry Adams expertise on homosexuality quite sickening given his willful ignorance on rape and pedophilia.

TheBeardedLady

Ah right.

floggg

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Have you seen proposals on this? Im not aware of any.

Heard it on the grapevine. Makes sense as an approach though.

floggg

reprise wrote: »

I can almost imagine him pulling a pint as he says it.

What is it about the lunatic left that makes them such experts on homosexuality?

What is it about the rabid raving right* that makes them such experts on homosexuality?

Particularly the straight ones who claim to know better about it than anybody else, actual homosexuals included.

*alliteration is fun. Petty insults aimed at anybody of a different political viewpoint is stupid though.

floggg

reprise wrote: »

Is what he said right?

Yes. It is for me and for any another gay person I know.

Do you disagree with him? If so, why?

And what makes your opinion any more valid than Gerry Adams or anybody else's?

floggg

reprise wrote: »

So do I, I find Gerry Adams expertise on homosexuality quite sickening given his willful ignorance on rape and pedophilia.

What?

What has one got to do with the other?

Just because you might (with good reason) dislike Gerry Adams, what has that got to do with the veracity of his statement.

If he said the grass was green, would you also take issue?

reprise

Hi floggg,

I'm straight. Unlike Gerry Adams, I claim no expertise in homosexuality.

At marriage, I am a legend.

tigger123

reprise wrote: »

Hi floggg,

I'm straight. Unlike Gerry Adams, I claim no expertise in homosexuality.

At marriage, I am a legend.

You don't need to be an expert to know that people are born straight, gay, bi or whatever. It's pretty basic stuff.

Ush1

I asked my oul pair what way they were voting(knowing what they would say) and of course they were voting no.

When I debated why, it ended with my da turning up the news full blast and shouting "I'M NOT LISTENING!!!!".

Point is, don't be surprised if no side wins as they are two people who consider themselves liberal and intelligent/free thinking. Representative of many others like them.

Vote yes, don't think everyone else will.

spikeS

Ush1 wrote: »

I asked my oul pair what way they were voting(knowing what they would say) and of course they were voting no.

When I debated why, it ended with my da turning up the news full blast and shouting "I'M NOT LISTENING!!!!".

Point is, don't be surprised if no side wins as they are two people who consider themselves liberal and intelligent/free thinking. Representative of many others like them.

Vote yes, don't think everyone else will.

The no side only has the older side, look at support here with the younger people, yes has this with a landside and older people can do nothing about it

floggg

reprise wrote: »

Hi floggg,

I'm straight. Unlike Gerry Adams, I claim no expertise in homosexuality.

At marriage, I am a legend.

So do you disagree with what he said, and if so why?

jobbridge4life

spikeS wrote: »

The no side only has the older side, look at support here with the younger people, yes has this with a landside and older people can do nothing about it

Older people vote in huge numbers compared to younger groups. Its all fine and good notionally being supportive of equal marriage but if they don't actually get out and vote it will count for nothing.

Ush1

spikeS wrote: »

The no side only has the older side, look at support here with the younger people, yes has this with a landside and older people can do nothing about it

I wouldn't be as confident. A lot of older people vote and most wouldn't be on boards, and there is a heck of a lot of old people out there.

floggg

spikeS wrote: »

The no side only has the older side, look at support here with the younger people, yes has this with a landside and older people can do nothing about it

No, no, no.

Yes only wins for younger people show up - something we cannot always be trusted to do.

The older generation, as well as younger people opposed to this change, will show up en masse.

So we need to drive a big turn out, and any suggestion that this is in the bag is naive and dangerous for the yes side.

Take nothing for granted. Get out and vote, and encourage any yes supoorters you know to do the same.

reprise

tigger123 wrote: »

You don't need to be an expert to know that people are born straight, gay, bi or whatever. It's pretty basic stuff.

Self stereotyping is rarely infallible.

spikeS

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Older people vote in huge numbers compared to younger groups. Its all fine and good notionally being supportive of equal marriage but if they don't actually get out and vote it will count for nothing.

Looking at boards we have the under 40's locked, everyone is voting yes other then the one or two trolls, we care enough and will vastly outnumber the old folks on the day.

The homophobes have lost due to time and the youths progressiveness there is nothing they can do

smash

floggg wrote: »

Yes only wins for younger people show up - something we cannot always be trusted to do.

And sure knowing the government, the referendum will probably be held on a day during college exams or something.

jobbridge4life

spikeS wrote: »

Looking at boards we have the under 40's locked, everyone is voting yes other then the one or two trolls, we care enough and will vastly outnumber the old folks on the day.

The homophobes have lost due to time and the youths progressiveness there is nothing they can do

They haven't lost. The debate has really only just begun. The divorce referendum in 1995 enjoyed similar lofty projections of victory roughly the same period out from voting day, in the end it passed by roughly half a percent and many believe this was only because it was unusually wet that day in the west.

The single greatest danger to the yes side is complacency.

spikeS

jobbridge4life wrote: »

They haven't lost. The debate has really only just begun. The divorce referendum in 1995 enjoyed similar lofty projections of victory roughly the same period out from voting day, in the end it passed by roughly half a percent and many believe this was only because it was unusually wet that day in the west.

The single greatest danger to the yes side is complacency.

That was 20 years ago, they are the old no voters of the day, their children have progressed and are way more enlightened then their parents, any forum I have been on have 98% being yes voters with the odd no troll being banned within a day. It's no longer 1995

jobbridge4life

spikeS wrote: »

That was 20 years ago, they are the old no voters of the day, their children have progressed and are way more enlightened then their parents, any forum I have been on have 98% being yes voters with the odd no troll being banned within a day. It's no longer 1995

How many of the over 65s regularly use internet forums? This is a perfect example of the dangers of a the echo chamber.

spikeS

jobbridge4life wrote: »

How many of the over 65s regularly use internet forums? This is a perfect example of the dangers of a the echo chamber.

There is a lot of 40's and overs here, the religious crowd of the 90's over 65 have mostly passed on now. And none of the youth is voting no

floggg

spikeS wrote: »

That was 20 years ago, they are the old no voters of the day, their children have progressed and are way more enlightened then their parents, any forum I have been on have 98% being yes voters with the odd no troll being banned within a day. It's no longer 1995

My parents know how to use the internet but it wouldn't even occur to them to join message boards or social media platforms. You aren't hearing the older generations voices here because they don't use forums like this.

Also, when did younger voters ever mobilise on mass for anything in this country. Younger voters are the least likely to get off their area and vote.

Older voters are the most likely.

If everybody's vote in the country was counted, the yes side would win (assuming the No sides fear mongering and red herrings don't sow too much confusion on the issues).

But everybody's vote won't be counted because lots of people won't bother to vote.

So instead of telling everybody that this is a done deal, and thus giving the impression to people Tree or vote might not be needed, it would be much more productive of you to just tell people to vote.

The more you say it's a done deal, the less likely the vote will carry.

MrPudding

spikeS wrote: »

There is a lot of 40's and overs here, the religious crowd of the 90's over 65 have mostly passed on now. And none of the youth is voting no

You are presupposing that everyone that would vote yes will actually get off their arse, register to vote and then go out on the day and vote.

MrP

Daith

spikeS wrote: »

There is a lot of 40's and overs here, the religious crowd of the 90's over 65 have mostly passed on now. And none of the youth is voting no

Boards.ie is meaningless when it comes to this referendum.

If it happened tomorrow it would probably be defeated.

Tasden

spikeS wrote: »

That was 20 years ago, they are the old no voters of the day, their children have progressed and are way more enlightened then their parents, any forum I have been on have 98% being yes voters with the odd no troll being banned within a day. It's no longer 1995

If the "no trolls" were being banned within a day then what makes you think genuine no voters (not trolls) aren't being banned too? Or aren't bothering to voice their opinion in case they are labelled as a no troll rather than a poster with a genuine opinion.

And you keep saying "there is nothing they can do"... they can vote no. And they will. They are the ones that actually WILL do something about it.

Ctrl Alt Delete

spikeS wrote: »

The no side only has the older side, look at support here with the younger people, yes has this with a landside and older people can do nothing about it

Thats been said many a time before and like I said earlier in thread. I've yet to see a boards poll be anywhere close to an actual referendum result percentage.

Like it or lump it the fact remains that % older people vote in alot higher numbers in referendums and are more active.

% wise older people will be more likely to be against gay marriage

% wise the catholic teachings (agree with them or not) has been ingrained in many a person.

This referendum is not over by a long shot, but then again as a person who will vote no myself (awaits the typical tyrade accusations of being anti gay) :rolleyes:

I hope the yes side make it easier for that no victory by thinking its already won

spikeS wrote: »

That was 20 years ago, they are the old no voters of the day, their children have progressed and are way more enlightened then their parents, any forum I have been on have 98% being yes voters with the odd no troll being banned within a day. It's no longer 1995

Please do continue to think this is the case I implore you :P:P:P:P:P

Daith

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

This referendum is not over by a long shot, but then again as a person who will vote no myself (awaits the typical tyrade accusations of being anti gay) :rolleyes:

Any reason why you're voting No to equal rights for homosexual couples?

jobbridge4life

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

Thats been said many a time before and like I said earlier in thread. I've yet to see a boards poll be anywhere close to an actual referendum result percentage.

Like it or lump it the fact remains that % older people vote in alot higher numbers in referendums and are more active.

% wise older people will be more likely to be against gay marriage

% wise the catholic teachings (agree with them or not) has been ingrained in many a person.

This referendum is not over by a long shot, but then again as a person who will vote no myself (awaits the typical tyrade accusations of being anti gay) :rolleyes:

I hope the yes side make it easier for that no victory by thinking its already won

Oh you are not anti-gay you are just anti-gay people enjoying the same rights as their straight compatriots.:cool:

stevowhelo1

I will vote yes. I think that by voting no it supports a backwards mentality that was once present in Ireland. We must move on and rid ourselves of such a backwards point of view, this world doesn't need that type of mentality we all deserve the right to love peacefully without question.

- Teenager with many gay friends and a gay relative. Peace .