Thyestes Chase Thursday

Pearlstone

Am I losing the plot fancying the thirteen year old Jadanli to run a big race in this? Was placed in 2012 and won it in 2013 off same mark. Might be a bit long in the tooth but I think he might outrun his price of 40/1. I thought his last two runs were respectable enough given that he was returning from a layoff.

nuckeythompson

looks like he is up against it already. I fancy vasco do me. 28/1 is bloody ridiculous. I'll be having ew on that. Any bookie specials for this race anyone know?

Andalucia

I can't see Gallant Oscar beaten, AJ has him well lined out, bonus that BJ rides him

superfurry1

Make a track is a huge price 16-1 that will do for me.

NaiveMelodies

Andalucia wrote: »

I can't see Gallant Oscar beaten, AJ has him well lined out, bonus that BJ rides him

You happy at the prices though? As good as Martin can prep one, the horse doesn't look incredibly well in from what I can see. It'll be a tough slog and he didn't seem overly interested getting to the front in his last two hurdle outings.
It's obviously very possible the horse has plenty up his sleeve taking connections into account, but would be hard for me to have much confidence backing at 5/1 on that basis.

I'd say the same for the favourite, needs to be very good off this weight and some of the form from last year isn't working out too well now.

sting60

One horse race ,if he jumps according to my figures is gallent oscar top weight has now chance based on my figures.gallent Oscar wins big time IMO.

NaiveMelodies

Any vibes on Mullins fav in the first? Dicosimo?
Hard to read the French form but doesn't look like there was much in behind.

Thunder Zone was well fancied at Leopardstown iirc.
Sure to improve on that outing and looks to have enough about his profile to turnover Prussian Eagle. 6s mightn't be the worst value.

Andalucia

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

You happy at the prices though? As good as Martin can prep one, the horse doesn't look incredibly well in from what I can see. It'll be a tough slog and he didn't seem overly interested getting to the front in his last two hurdle outings.
It's obviously very possible the horse has plenty up his sleeve taking connections into account, but would be hard for me to have much confidence backing at 5/1 on that basis.

I'd say the same for the favourite, needs to be very good off this weight and some of the form from last year isn't working out too well now.

I wouldn't judge Gallant Oscar too harshly on his last couple of runs, he was given plenty to do by Ruby both times, plus he is a far better chaser

Don't think the fav wants a slog in the mud, feel he is more of a 2 1/2 miler

NaiveMelodies

Andalucia wrote: »

I wouldn't judge Gallant Oscar too harshly on his last couple of runs, he was given plenty to do by Ruby both times, plus he is a far better chaser

Don't think the fav wants a slog in the mud, feel he is more of a 2 1/2 miler

Fair enough, just couldn't get interested at the price in a race like this.
Groody Hill looks the gamble at present..
The Job is Right for me!

GL.

ste2010

The weakest in the market
Ipsos du berlais
Ran a cracker at leopardstown and faded in the home straight..66-1 on betfair is a steal for a ridiculous riding weight! He may well be layed out for the irish national but at the weights he has a great chance

Gregk961

Interesting to see how Briar Hill gets on, was so highly rated last year and seems to be a cast away these days

Andalucia

Groody and Goonyella the pricewise horses

krustydoyle

Anyone heading to Gowran tomorrow?

Going with a bus of lads from the local, really looking forward to it

Fancies are

Thunder Zone 1.15
Monksland 2.15
Railway Tommy 2.45
The Job is Right 3.45

Andalucia

College Boy is very interesting in the 2.45 to win JP his own cash

He won it last year with a horse of Tom Foleys that proved to be well handicapped. could be the same with College Boy, must be on of the only Oscar progeny to ever win over 7f, loves heavy ground, ran on well last day back from a break

horse is a bit of an all or nothing character though which tempers enthusiasm, still good jock booked and will travel well out the back, has his chance, 10/1 very fair price

Shemale

I hope nobody is coming in to look for advice they will end up backing the field!

In the search of a a bigger price I am going to go for Oscars Business at 16/1, his record on the ground, course and over the distance aren't bad.

He was only beaten 7 lengths by Own His Own in this race last year in similar ground, albeit in receipt of 20lbs so you would have to think the minor increase in weight since last year from 9-12 to 10-2 shouldn't be too much of a burden with first time blinkers to try sharpen him up.

rossom

Just a quick pointer to people with regards to the, in my opinion, misleading stat about horses needing to carry less than 11 stone to win the Theyestes.

In the last 4 runnings, 2 horses have carried 11-6/11-7 to victory. Last year On His Own won when one of only 2 horses in the field carrying more than 11 stone (other was Ruby's mount Vesper Bell who finished down the field). In 2013, the 3 horses carrying more than 11 stone fell or unseated and in 2012, of the 4 horses carrying more than 11 stone, 3 filled the first 3 places.

Judged on recent runnings, certainly isn't a bad thing backing horses towards the head of the handicap.

Peintre Celebre

Isn't it wonderful to have such a brilliant meeting mid week. Regardless of the prize money etc a serious congrats to connections for showing up. How many times do we see horses ducking and diving each other not to meet each other. The hurdle race tomorrow could be put on any Saturday afternoon in England and still be a highlight.

superfurry1

Anyone else think verawal and terabyn are overpriced in the first I do

Francie Barrett

No pony in the game for the big race at Gowran today, but have a few for the other minor races.

3:40 Southwell - Hot Right Now (3/1) - This one is out for a seasonal reappearance after nearly a year off the track. Not too bothered about that though, given that it has won previously after being without a run for half a year. This horse looks especially interesting though if you strip out everything other than Southwell form. Over the 8f at Southwell, it has ran 4 times, finishing first 3 of those times, and a close second the fourth time. Question marks for me over whether Poppy Bond goes on this surface, and other co-favourite Queen Of The Skies was been beaten by my pick previously over course and distance, although weights will have shifted in it favour for today.

Jayo11780

I personally spoke to Paul Gilligan on Sunday (he trains horses for my old man) and he was very confident of Jadanli running a big race today - regardless of his age and recent form, he came 3rd in 2012, won in 2013 carrying 10 stone 7 and carries 4lbs lighter this time around.
I stuck 10 ew on him at 50's in Ladbrokes as I think he will definitely be in the frame, perhaps without winning it

cruais

Have 5 for today. Three im serious about, other two just chancing my arm at small ew at big prices.

Gowran 3.15
The Job is right 11/1

Meyden 2.45
Speedhawk 6/2

Fakenham 2.30
Full of beans 7/2

My 2 hope for the best bets
Gowran 13.45
Name that lad 66/1

Gowran 15.15
jalandi 25/1

nuckeythompson

cruais wrote: »

Have 5 for today. Three im serious about, other two just chancing my arm at small ew at big prices.

Gowran 3.15
The Job is right 11/1

Meyden 2.45
Speedhawk 6/2

Fakenham 2.30
Full of beans 7/2

My 2 hope for the best bets
Gowran 13.45
Name that lad 66/1

Gowran 15.15
jalandi 25/1

Heres mine , hoping for that big payday

Gowran Park 15:15 Vasco Du Mee 25/1
Meydan 15:55 - Hunting Ground 4/1
Gowran Park 14:45 Dick Dundee 8/1
Southwell 15:40 - Schottische 7/1

Timberrrrrrrr

3xdoubles

1xtreble

Come Uppance 1:40 SW
Mantou 1:50 War
Briar Hill 2:15 Gow

3xdoubles

1xtreble

Ruby Valentine 2:00 Fak
Pancake Day 2:40 SW
Hawaii Five Nil 2:50 War

3xdoubles

1xtreble

Alright Benny 3:30 Fak
Different Scene 4:10 SW
Out Now 3:50 War

Make a track E/W in the Thyestes

CH3OH

Someone is trying to get a lot of money on McCoy's mount Groody Hill on betfair
looking to be matched on the bet side:
Odds
13 €8,523
13.5 €11,176
14 €13,852
14.5 €2,735

irish_major

Touch landed on dedigout. Classy horse, still probably a big pot in him during the year.

longshotvalue

Now thats a decent horse.. any amount in hand over decent horses..

sdoc13

aidankkk wrote: »

Now thats a decent horse.. any amount in hand over decent horses..

Very Impressive. Whats his target? Would nearly have to go for the Gold Cup after that in what is a very open race. Has he an entry?

rossom

Serious performance by Djak. Think they might go Ryanair route this year purely given he's still a 6 year old. Long Run did win the GC as a 6 year old but he was the first one since Mill House in 1963 and Mullins will probably want to look after him for another year.

Boyles still go 25s for the Ryanair and I've had a play at that price which is huge.

Local_Chap

The first 5 home were carrying 10-12 or heavier, with top weight Djakadam an easy winner

nuckeythompson

stunning performance by the winner, hard to believe that Rubys first Tyestes winner. Intersting as that he is one of the youngest in the field. Bright future ahead

Previous winners also have a good record in the GN

nuckeythompson

nuckeythompson wrote: »

Heres mine , hoping for that big payday

Gowran Park 15:15 Vasco Du Mee 25/1
Meydan 15:55 - Hunting Ground 4/1
Gowran Park 14:45 Dick Dundee 8/1
Southwell 15:40 - Schottische 7/1

nice lucky 15 oh yeah - was expecting about 14k for all four. but hey ill be happy with the 3

Huntley

That was a Gold Cup performance from Djakadam. I can't imagine the Ryanair is anywhere near their thinking after that.

BorneTobyWilde

Amazing Blue Sky
18-1
4.10

I like ew here. Good chance,

longshotvalue

Huntley wrote: »

That was a Gold Cup performance from Djakadam. I can't imagine the Ryanair is anywhere near their thinking after that.

Id agree, i'm not sure he be fast enough for the ryanair. I'll be a quick race, Cue Card and the like.. That said if Cue Card isn't up to scratch it might be there for the taking..

bellybuster12

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Amazing Blue Sky
18-1
4.10

I like ew here. Good chance,

Good call, collected the place money.

sdoc13

Gold cup being metioned by mullins, strait there same as On his Own last year(as per irishracing.com). Best price 20s or 16sNRNB.

BorneTobyWilde

Burning Blaze 14-1 ew 5.40 Chelm


Harrogate Fair 18-1 ew 6.10
Ran a good race over 5f in a good time two back.
Low weight and ew value

NaiveMelodies

nuckeythompson wrote: »

Heres mine , hoping for that big payday

Gowran Park 15:15 Vasco Du Mee 25/1
Meydan 15:55 - Hunting Ground 4/1
Gowran Park 14:45 Dick Dundee 8/1
Southwell 15:40 - Schottische 7/1

Nice picking bud!

NaiveMelodies

Has to be Gold Cup after that. 20s actually looks reasonable imo.

Gringo180

If Djakadam wins a Gold Cup ill give the game up.

NaiveMelodies

Gringo180 wrote: »

If Djakadam wins a Gold Cup ill give the game up.

That would be an awful pity....


Seriously though, why?
I didn't think he'd be good enough today and thought he wasn't especially well handicapped, but that was a savage performance.

An unexposed 6 year old with a big reputation winning the Gold Cup sounds quite exciting to me.

domfitz

nuckeythompson wrote: »

Heres mine , hoping for that big payday

Gowran Park 15:15 Vasco Du Mee 25/1
Meydan 15:55 - Hunting Ground 4/1
Gowran Park 14:45 Dick Dundee 8/1
Southwell 15:40 - Schottische 7/1

lovely bet, well done..

hawkhead

Gonna have a little e-way on storm runner in the next at Chelmsford. Won at Lingfield around this time last year and runs of a significantly lower mark now

Gringo180

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

That would be an awful pity....


Seriously though, why?
I didn't think he'd be good enough today and thought he wasn't especially well handicapped, but that was a savage performance.

An unexposed 6 year old with a big reputation winning the Gold Cup sounds quite exciting to me.

Cant take that Irish heavy ground form seriously especially when it comes to Cheltenham. They usually crawl along for the first mile and a half over here too.

nobody told me

Gringo180 wrote: »

Cant take that Irish heavy ground form seriously especially when it comes to Cheltenham. They usually crawl along for the first mile and a half over here too.

I'm sorry but on his own won this and finished 2nd in the gold cup so you're talking sh1te

hawkhead

hawkhead wrote: »

Gonna have a little e-way on storm runner in the next at Chelmsford. Won at Lingfield around this time last year and runs of a significantly lower mark now

Ran a decent race to finish 4th staying on really strongly from a high draw. One to keep an eye on

Gregk961

Gringo180 wrote: »

If Djakadam wins a Gold Cup ill give the game up.

Lord Windermere wins it and you have no intention of giving it up?

I personally dont see Djak winning it, and I think people are getting over excited after a fantastic handicapping performance today, but look at the winners from the last few years and tell me Djakadam is an inferior horse to them.

Gringo180

nobody told me wrote: »

I'm sorry but on his own won this and finished 2nd in the gold cup so you're talking sh1te

Says your man that likens Big Bucks comeback to that of Sprinter Sacre's :pac:

Gringo180

Gregk961 wrote: »

Lord Windermere wins it and you have no intention of giving it up?

I personally dont see Djak winning it, and I think people are getting over excited after a fantastic handicapping performance today, but look at the winners from the last few years and tell me Djakadam is an inferior horse to them.

Lord Windermere was a course winner which is a massive plus and is a better animal than he is giving credit for.

Just cant see a horse that was beat out of sight in a Hennessy with the winner giving him nearly a stone in weight, win a Gold Cup. Fair enough if fitness did do him, I would expect a Gold Cup prospect to get much closer.

nobody told me

Gringo180 wrote: »

Says your man that likens Big Bucks comeback to that of Sprinter Sacre's :pac:

If a good judge like Kevin Blake did it as well, I will sleep easy tonight.

Gringo180

nobody told me wrote: »

If a good judge like Kevin Blake did it as well, I will sleep easy tonight.

Chalk and Cheese.