The Vegans

wretcheddomain

No, it's not the name of a new family television series...

The thing with many vegans is how they immediately jump to the moral high ground, claiming that we omnivores are somehow morally inferior to their enlightened wisdom.

Thus, the claim to be vegan is simultaneously the insult that all of us are somehow less morally in-tune than they are.

Of course, I'm open to changing my mind, but I've not yet come across a persuasive argument as to why we should consider them our moral superiors.

I would argue that animal suffering is worsened by veganism. If you assume, for the sake of argument, that everyone were to morph into a vegan overnight, we would surely have to let the animals go - as otherwise it would be animal slavery, right? So, watch as nature rips the animal's body apart limb from limb - send the footage to the nearest vegan and see how impressed they are now that everyone adheres to their line of thinking.

Nature is much more savage than any well-intentioned farm.

What's AH's view on the moral claim of vegans - do you believe they have the moral edge they claim to possess?

The Backwards Man

Yesterday is dead and gone, and tomorrow's out of sight . . .

What was the question? Vegans? Love the bastards.

Absoluvely

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yesterday is dead and gone, and tomorrow's out of sight . . .

What was the question? Vegans? Love the bastards.

Me too - they're delicious.

Links234

A great bunch 'o lads!

The Backwards Man

Hard to dislike someone who likes cabbage and brussell sprouts

wretcheddomain

I fear a vegan Mod will be displeased with the content of the first post and close the thread!

beks101

Awful bores alright but I do always envy them that lovely vegan glow.
I'd love a vegan glow myself.
I love my burgers too much though.
Mmmmmm burgers *dribble*

the_syco

wretcheddomain wrote: »

If you assume, for the sake of argument, that everyone were to morph into a vegan overnight, we would surely have to let the animals go - as otherwise it would be animal slavery, right?

Most of them would be killed to make room for crops. And a lot of them would go extinct as no-one needs them anymore.

dee_mc

beks101 wrote: »

Awful bores alright but I do always envy them that lovely vegan glow.
I'd love a vegan glow myself.
I love my burgers too much though.
Mmmmmm burgers *dribble*

I've never known a vegan to glow... Well, I have, but fake tan probably doesn't count

shruikan2553

wretcheddomain wrote: »

I fear a vegan Mod will be displeased with the content of the first post and close the thread!

They have no power here gandalf the vegan.

Duggy747

Until recently, I didn't realise some vegans actually had a serious problem with people owning guide dogs and other animals to help those in need.

blindside88

A vegan dinner isn't food....... It's what food eats

I could never be a vegan because I couldn't live without home cooked ham sandwiches with lashing of butter washed down with a pint of cold milk.

As you've pointed out animals eat other animals in the wild so I believe that the moral stance is a ridiculous one

wretcheddomain

Duggy747 wrote: »

Until recently, I didn't realise some vegans actually had a serious problem with people owning guide dogs and other animals to help disabled people.

And many of the one's who do own pets do not give the animals meat - inflicting their own moral superiority onto obligate carnivores.

What on Earth is moral about doing something so catastrophic to these animals?

Bipolar Joe

If it wasn't for the fat in meat, we wouldn't have evolved to where we are now because it helped create white matter, which explains why vegans are stupid.














:pac: :pac: :pac: :pac: .

ceadaoin.

wretcheddomain wrote: »

And many of the one's who do own pets do not give the animals meat - inflicting their own moral superiority onto obligate carnivores.

What on Earth is moral about doing something so catastrophic to these animals?

Those people shouldn't be allowed to have pets. You'd have to be braindead to think that was ok

wretcheddomain

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Those people shouldn't be allowed to have pets. You'd have to be braindead to think that was ok

You'd be very surprised about how this is a massive open debate within vegan circles.

The Backwards Man

wretcheddomain wrote: »

You'd be very surprised about how this is a massive open debate within vegan circles.

If I tried to do that to my Lucky she'd be off to have her name changed by deed poll

ceadaoin.

wretcheddomain wrote: »

You'd be very surprised about how this is a massive open debate within vegan circles.

I had heard of it but presumed it was limited to a few crazies. How can they justify it when all scientific evidence would say that dogs are primarily carnivores?

blatantrereg

Most of them don't go on like that. You don't just don't notice because being normal isn't very noticeable.

BlaasForRafa

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I had heard of it but presumed it was limited to a few crazies. How can they justify it when all scientific evidence would say that dogs are primarily carnivores?

Forcing an animal to go against it's evolutionary nature because of crank beliefs is despicable. Cats especially have evolved to exist on a 100% meat diet so to feed them a vegan diet is tantamount to cruelty imo.

FouxDaFaFa

There seems to be way more people complaining about feeling victimised by vegans and vegetarians than vegans and vegetarians doing any victimising.

I think some people find their very existence to be something to get defensive about. It's bizarre.

The vast majority of vegans and vegetarians could not give a sh1t what other people eat and are mostly concerned with what they themselves eat.

Witchie

I hear you're a vegan now father....should we all be vegans now? Only the farm takes up most of the day and in the evening I just like a cup of tea. I wouldn't be able to devote myself full time to the old vegan-ism.

Irish Guitarist

I've never seen a vegan start a thread here complaining about about meat eaters diets. There's a thread complaining about vegans or vegetarians every couple of weeks though.

I don't eat meat and I managed to have Christmas dinner at my sisters house without making a big deal out of anything. My sister asked if I wanted some chicken soup and I said "no thanks". For dinner I told her to give me what everyone else was having minus the meat. My only concern was not eating meat myself. I didn't concern myself with what anyone else was eating.

osarusan

wretcheddomain wrote: »

What's AH's view on the moral claim of vegans - do you believe they have the moral edge they claim to possess?

How many of them claim to possess a moral edge?

How many AH threads have been started by vegans preaching moral superiority, in comparison with AH threads complaining about vegans' supposed self-identified moral superiority?

I honestly can say I've never met more than one or two vegans who feel morally superior. And I've met more than one or two vegans, and for the vast majority, it's been nothing more than a personal choice, and if they had any issues with me being somebody who eats meat, they politely kept them to themselves.

Betty Bloggs

Fruitarians are the strangest group I think.

Some of them will only eat fruit that has naturally fallen from a plant.

They don't eat any grains either because they don't believe in killing any living thing including plants.

(I don't find vegetarianism or veganism very strange, but I do find fruitarianism extreme)

bodice ripper

I hear they don't love their own children.

AnimalChin

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

If it wasn't for the fat in meat, we wouldn't have evolved to where we are now because it helped create white matter, which explains why vegans are stupid.


:pac: :pac: :pac: :pac: .

Hmmmm.


A user called sponsoredwalk has some interesting posts, particularly the last few pages of this thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056107797

Might want to take a look.

Teyla Emmagan

I know someone raising a vegan 3 year old. That's practically child abuse!!

Vision of Disorder

bodice ripper wrote: »

I hear they don't love their own children.

Pretty sure that's the Russians! (Source: Sting)

Jawgap

They may feel morally superior - but I'd suggest that the feeling of superiority is negligible compared to the feeling of a Sunday morning bacon sangich on really fresh white bread with hot strong cup of tae!

anncoates

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I know someone raising a vegan 3 year old. That's practically child abuse!!

They'll crack and eat it before it goes to school, guaranteed.

VickieVexed

As some others on here have said, the vegans/vegetarians are not the ones starting these (frequent) threads on other peoples lifestyle choices. I don't agree with hunting, but I'm not going to start a thread attacking those who enjoy it, we all have the right to our opinions and likes.

What I do find amusing however, is how much time and effort some people put into ridiculing the choices others have made. Surely your time would be better spent enjoying your lovely burger/steak [insert choice of meat here].

Zombienosh

ugh, this thread again.

Egginacup

Friend of mine is a vegan. she's also very attractive, quite slutty and is a pisshead. so i like vegans.

jamesbere

How can someone go through life and make the decision not to eat bacon anymore................................mmmmmmmmmmmmmm bacon.

eviltwin

Why does someone else's eating habits bother you so much? Bizarre.

AnimalChin

jamesbere wrote: »

How can someone go through life and make the decision not to eat bacon anymore................................mmmmmmmmmmmmmm bacon.

How original.

Xerxes75

Could never eat a vegan diet, I value my health. I try to eat close to a primal diet as much as I can.

Ososlo

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I know someone raising a vegan 3 year old. That's practically child abuse!!

I know people raising kids and giving them processed food for every meal.

I know vegan parents who only give their kids only wholesome natural foods.
I know which kid I'd rather be.

What a stupid thing to say.

BeerWolf

Vegans speaking about morality and "ethics" annoy the hell out of me...

That being said, I could live on an all out vegan diet perfectly fine... if it were something like a southern Indian dish like Dahl and Dosai!

Xerxes75

Ososlo wrote: »

I know people raising kids and giving them processed food for every meal.

I know vegan parents who only give their kids only wholesome natural foods.
I know which kid I'd rather be.

What a stupid thing to say.

It's not really, they are missing out on valuable nutrients that only animal products will provide.

inforfun

Not for me that vegan thing.
I hate shopping so want it done as fast as possible.

Went shopping once with someone who was trying to get as close as possible to being vegan.
Every single ****ing label had to be read if there wasnt something "bad" in the ingredients.
Thought i would never leave the shop.

One eyed Jack

wretcheddomain wrote: »

No, it's not the name of a new family television series...

The thing with many vegans is how they immediately jump to the moral high ground, claiming that we omnivores are somehow morally inferior to their enlightened wisdom.

...


What's AH's view on the moral claim of vegans - do you believe they have the moral edge they claim to possess?

Some people will always find some way to make themselves feel superior to other people. Like those anti-smoking pains in the faces -


Are people who smoke weak-minded?

Ososlo

Xerxes75 wrote: »

It's not really, they are missing out on valuable nutrients that only animal products will provide.

Like?
I'd say the kid eating chicken nuggets has the perfect superior diet alright.
Any vegans I know are way healthier than most meat eaters.

jimgoose

You mean some crowd with a particular set of beliefs is claiming moral high ground and general superiority over the rest of us? In Ireland? Nah, don't buy it.

eviltwin

BeerWolf wrote: »

Vegans speaking about morality and "ethics" annoy the hell out of me...

That being said, I could live on an all out vegan diet perfectly fine... if it were something like a southern Indian dish like Dahl and Dosai!

They annoy everyone, even other vegans. But I can't say I've ever met one. Most people don't give a sh1t what other people eat.

eviltwin

Xerxes75 wrote: »

It's not really, they are missing out on valuable nutrients that only animal products will provide.

Cutting out entire food groups and not replacing them will impact on your health. If you do your research and make sensible substitutes you'll be fine.

kylith

Only vegan I know is grand; she doesn't bother us, we don't bother her. I'm having her round for a meal at the weekend and am looking forward to stretching my culinary abilities a bit.

Lau2976

Most vegans don't give two s**** what people eat. Yeah it would be great if everyone didn't eat rotting animal flesh! Is t going to happen in this lifetime? No, probably not.

Most vegans (or at least the many I have met) don't take a moral high ground, and the ones that do usually don't do it in front of you. You think 'Peace-flower' the vegan animal loving hippy hates you? wait til you hear what she says to other vegans about you!

But surely you can understand why some would believe that their superior? To a lot of vegans eating meet is like cannibalism, do you think your morally superior to cannibals? I'm not saying vegans are (leaving all personal beliefs aside) but it's not hard to recognize why they think they are.

jimgoose

Lau2976 wrote: »

...But surely you can understand why some would believe that their superior?...

They can believe whatever be playsin' 'em. It means more bacon for me. Huzzah!

Egginacup

I went on a 2 week yoga retreat one time to a Greek Island and the grub was amazing. It think it was vegan but it was certainly vegetarian. Gallons of mint water and jasmine tea on the table, bowl after bowl of salads with ripe tomatoes, onions, olives, basillicum, rocket, fava beans, chick peas, hummus, oil lime, juice, vinegar, carrot soup, lentil dhals, bean curries, nan and pita breads and on and on. I was only there for the holiday. The girlfriend was doing the yoga but I just gorged myself on this gear every day. My skin was so clear, my eyes were much bluer, my hair was thicker and oilier, my finergnails became clear and shiny with no cracks in them, etc.

I was still on the piss down in the taverna while the yogis were having their early nights and I was having Kostas make me grilled sardines and a pint of Mythos every morning for breakfast but damn the benefits of all that lovely veggie stuff and loads of fruit too.....strawberries, oranges, grapes in abundance......were noticeable.

I could eat like that all the time but I do need to have fish and/or meat once in a while and I couldn't do without dairy...well I could I'm just addicted to pints of ice cold milk and half a pack of chocolate chip cookies

I don't get vegans same way as I don't get people who get tattoos on their faces. They're perfectly free to do what they want. It's just not me. And on the animal cruelty issue I agree with them and for this I could be accused of being a coward. I like meat and I love animals and animal cruelty sickens me. I just don't have the balls to witness whatever suffering a four-legged or two-winged friend might have to endure so that I can have a meat dish.