Matt Brammeier signs for MTN-Qhubka

MPFG

Nice to see Brammeier back in the big time ( so to speak)
Would be ncie to see him lead out Eddy Boss or Matti Goss for some wins in 2015...and who knows might be able to get some himself

pprendeville

Look like a team going places. Might see 5 Irish riders in Paris this year with a bit of luck. Think 3 in one year is the record as it stands according to days Examiner.

RobFowl

pprendeville wrote: »

Look like a team going places. Might see 5 Irish riders in Paris this year with a bit of luck. Think 3 in one year is the record as it stands according to days Examiner.

There were 4 starters one year.

pprendeville

Have sent a screenshot to the Examiner and told them to get their facts correct.

For the record, who and what year? Nice trivia question.

happytramp

Roche, Kelly, Kimmage and Earley in 1986?

RobFowl

happytramp wrote: »

Roche, Kelly, Kimmage and Earley in 1986?

Kelly was out with a knee injury in 86

RobFowl

pprendeville wrote: »

Have sent a screenshot to the Examiner and told them to get their facts correct.

For the record, who and what year? Nice trivia question.

1991
Roche, Roche, Kelly and Early.
Only Lawrence Roche finished though.

Fr D Maugire

happytramp wrote: »

Roche, Kelly, Kimmage and Earley in 1986?

Pedantic Statto alert;)

Actually Kelly didn't start in 86 due to injury.

4 riders started three times, in 87/89, those quoted above. Kelly/Kimmage didn't finish 87. Roche/Kimmage didn't finish 89.

1991 also with Laurece Roche instead of Kimmage. Only Laurence finished that year.

happytramp

I wonder if Deignan is in with a shout to start? He's certainly good enough as he showed last year but they might use him in the Giro.

Fr D Maugire

Even though we might possibly see 5 Irish riders at the start, there could be none.

Roche has talked about favouring the Vuelta and there are enough decent guys at SKY anyways without him. I can see Deignan being given the Giro/Vuelta again.

Martin has also talked about preferring the Vuelta.

Bennett? depends on what his team decide but would seem more likely this year if he shows the same form.

Ironically Brammier could be best shout if put as a lead-out guy but I think a South African team will take a few Africans to the Tour. Anyways, when you have Farrar, Bos, Ciolek, Goss, Eddy B, who will lead out who?

Right now I would say we might only see Bennett at the Tour but long way to go.

MPFG

Roche is riding the Tour according to Sir Dave Brailsford ....but if you know something else ??

Of course there is many a slip between cup and lip and we don't know till it begins who will be there

I also think Martin wil be at the Tour ....he has already talked about the stages in the first week esp the 2 finishes on Murs that suit him...he could win those 2

Bennett wil be at the Tour as he is their best talent and if his training data is anything to go by is measuring up nicely to be a super sprinter

I think Brammeier will be at the Tour as he is probly the only lead out guy MTN Qhubecka have with enough experience and he was signed once they knew they had the Tour invite

The only one I have a question over is Deignan as he may be used at the Giro

ROK ON

Martin likely to ride the tour - in recent interviews he has reiterated the Ardennes week as his primary goal with the two Muur stages in TDF as goals (Huy and Bretagne).

Fr D Maugire

MPFG wrote: »

Roche is riding the Tour according to Sir Dave Brailsford ....but if you know something else ??

Of course there is many a slip between cup and lip and we don't know till it begins who will be there

I also think Martin wil be at the Tour ....he has already talked about the stages in the first week esp the 2 finishes on Murs that suit him...he could win those 2

Bennett wil be at the Tour as he is their best talent and if his training data is anything to go by is measuring up nicely to be a super sprinter

I think Brammeier will be at the Tour as he is probly the only lead out guy MTN Qhubecka have with enough experience and he was signed once they knew they had the Tour invite

The only one I have a question over is Deignan as he may be used at the Giro

Typical, I can automatically quote stats from 20+years ago but struggle with stuff happening in the last month.

MPFG

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

Typical, I can automatically quote stats from 20+years ago but struggle with stuff happening in the last month.

Nothing for it but fish oil ....2 portions of oily fish a week or very good supplements
I have a fantastic memory :eek:

godtabh

great news for what seems to be a decent lad

pprendeville

Roches program (according to Stickbottle) looks like he'll be riding support for Froome.

godtabh

pprendeville wrote: »

Roches program (according to Stickbottle) looks like he'll be riding support for Froome.

The same way he did for Bertie and others last year and the year before

MPFG

pprendeville wrote: »

Roches program (according to Stickbottle) looks like he'll be riding support for Froome.

I have to say I am disappointed his program is almost identical to Froome ...so no opportunity to lead......And Froome is talking about doing the Vuelta as well
Konig is co leading the Giro with Porte and I thought Nico would have been given a chance in the Ardennes but is only doing FW as is Froome as recce for Tpur I suspect so he will be positioning Froome on the Mur de Huy

In fairness to TCS Roche did get some chances but was in 2014 unable ti take them
In fainress to SKY his program looks lighher than at TCS so after the Tour he may not be totally wiped out
..and before everyone starts that he is only good enough to be a domestique ...I am tlaking about leadership in a stage race or one day race

Remember he has done better in a Grand Tour than Dan Martin and Dan would never consider signing up to ride his GTs as a domestique

As cycling podcast said.....When Kruesiger & Nibali started out Kreusiger was considered the bigger talent but not once ddi Niabli consider being a domestique...he never saw himself that way while Kreuziger did....


I guess if you take the SKY train you pay the piper

Macy0161

MPFG wrote: »

I have to say I am disappointed his program is almost identical to Froome ...so no opportunity to lead......And Froome is talking about doing the Vuelta as well

Can't see Froome doing the Vuelta if he podiums in the Tour tbh.

godtabh

Macy0161 wrote: »

Can't see Froome doing the Vuelta if he podiums in the Tour tbh.

Plan B I'm sure

Junior

Can't see Konig being used as a lead in the Giro ahead of Porte either. Looks like Sky will send a strong team to Giro to work Contador over for Le Tour

MPFG

Junior wrote: »

Can't see Konig being used as a lead in the Giro ahead of Porte either. Looks like Sky will send a strong team to Giro to work Contador over for Le Tour

Konig gave an interview saying he was co-lead ....might have been promised by Dave Brailsford ...who knows ....maybe Sir Dave is keeping him sweet and also covering his back in case Porte has a few bad days....
Maybe Dave is ensuring plan B's all over the place in 2015 as they had none in 2014 ??

But could be as you say SKY only interested in Le Tour and thus a ploy to weaken Contador & his team early with Konig, Henao & Porte keeping them on their toes and maybe going up the road so they are stung out on who to watch

Glass Prison 1214

Matt won the final stage of the 2.1 Ster ZLM Toer today. Soloed to a 25 second win. Apart from his national crowns, this is surely the best result of his career

MPFG

Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »

Matt won the final stage of the 2.1 Ster ZLM Toer today. Soloed to a 25 second win. Apart from his national crowns, this is surely the best result of his career

Great result...delighted for him...he battles so hard and I think he is disappointed to not be going to the Tour

Lusk_Doyle

MPFG wrote: »

Great result...delighted for him...he battles so hard and I think he is disappointed to not be going to the Tour

He has plenty of beer to help him get over it!

StevieGriff

Brammeier luck continues. Brammeier suffers massive injuries in horror high-speed crash Poor chap.

godtabh

StevieGriff wrote: »

Brammeier luck continues. Brammeier suffers massive injuries in horror high-speed crash Poor chap.

Sounds very nasty. season is over i assume but he posted a photo and he looks like he is in good spirits.

gman2k

Caution, horrific crash...
https://youtu.be/Wv0rjqfKUZM

godtabh

https://twitter.com/Mattbrammeier85/status/630448851745439744

godtabh

gman2k wrote: »

Caution, horrific crash...
https://youtu.be/Wv0rjqfKUZM

Bloody hell

Sarz91

Another perspective

godtabh

Sarz91 wrote: »

Another perspective

You could see that coming. A few of the riders before hand almost over shot it

Sarz91

The thud is pretty sickening. Another two riders went down not that long after due to the motorbike stopping in the middle of the road.

StevieGriff

Jesus, he came into that very very hot. Horrible crash, hope he's not left with any lasting injuries.

dastardly00

I don't think it's an overstatement to say that the crash could have been fatal.

I wonder how so many of the riders misjudged the corner?

Thud

looked like they were hitting some grit/sand so braking wasn't working effectively

68 lost souls

I hope he makes a speedy recovery, that was some impact. I wonder how bad the fractured pelvis is, an awful injury at any age. The fractured ribs could have led to a lot more complications as well.

happytramp

68 lost souls wrote: »

I hope he makes a speedy recovery, that was some impact. I wonder how bad the fractured pelvis is, an awful injury at any age. The fractured ribs could hhave led to a lto mroe complications as well.

I don't know much about it but him not needing surgery is probably a good sign.

Subpopulus

dastardly00 wrote: »

I wonder how so many of the riders misjudged the corner?

Here's the bend.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@40.612899,-111.570904,3a,75y,353.37h,68.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8Mv-8MtR_Hc5ZvrcAJBZKQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

From street view it looks like the approach was extremely steep, coming around a sweeping bend, and the hairpin would have appeared very quickly. It looks like Matt (and a few others) might have been trying to make up time by descending really fast around the sweeping bend and then weren't able to brake in time when they saw the hairpin. Although Matt looked out of control as he came up to that bend - might his brakes have failed?

godtabh

Subpopulus wrote: »

Here's the bend.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@40.612899,-111.570904,3a,75y,353.37h,68.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8Mv-8MtR_Hc5ZvrcAJBZKQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

From street view it looks like the approach was extremely steep, coming around a sweeping bend, and the hairpin would have appeared very quickly. It looks like Matt (and a few others) might have been trying to make up time by descending really fast around the sweeping bend and then weren't able to brake in time when they saw the hairpin. Although Matt looked out of control as he came up to that bend - might his brakes have failed?

His team said he was chasing to get on.

It looked like he lost his balance a couple of meters before the bend and then totally overshot

laraghrider

godtabh wrote: »

His team said he was chasing to get on.

It looked like he lost his balance a couple of meters before the bend and then totally overshot

If you look at his exit line out of the previous corner that's where his problem started. He came out way too wide and hot and by the time he was braking for this corner he was on gravel and couldn't slow down. The phone camera vid from the bend itself picks it up better. Check out his exit line to all the other riders.

lennymc

some of the lines through that corner were quite poor. Hopefully he recovers quickly. Lucky it wasnt worse.

RobFowl

Lets all criticise the lines pro's take into a corner on a descent none of us have ridden...
I mean we're all great cyclists, some of us have done sportifs and even A3/4 races as well....

Get well soon Matt and hope you get back racing for next season.

Darkglasses

Subpopulus wrote: »

Here's the bend.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@40.612899,-111.570904,3a,75y,353.37h,68.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8Mv-8MtR_Hc5ZvrcAJBZKQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

From street view it looks like the approach was extremely steep, coming around a sweeping bend, and the hairpin would have appeared very quickly. It looks like Matt (and a few others) might have been trying to make up time by descending really fast around the sweeping bend and then weren't able to brake in time when they saw the hairpin. Although Matt looked out of control as he came up to that bend - might his brakes have failed?

Very unlikely it was a brake failure, but it seems almost everyone in the video wasn't getting the braking they were expecting. I'd say probably the road surface was deceptive. Matt in particular, you can see his rear wheel pops up - a result of braking so hard on the front, but then doesn't have the grip so just skids into the car.

lennymc

RobFowl wrote: »

Lets all criticise the lines pro's take into a corner on a descent none of us have ridden...
I mean we're all great cyclists, some of us have done sportifs and even A3/4 races as well....

Get well soon Matt and hope you get back racing for next season.

Alternatively, lets criticise the lines taken by the riders based on having studied the dynamics of how to get through a corner as quickly as possibly on two wheels, as well as identifying the racing line through a corner, and having descended quite a few big mountains with big switchbacks quite safely.

I do hope Matt gets better soon, but do stand by my comment that some of the lines taken by some of the pros were quite poor. (I never singled out any rider in particular)

godtabh

lennymc wrote: »

Alternatively, lets criticise the lines taken by the riders based on having studied the dynamics of how to get through a corner as quickly as possibly on two wheels, as well as identifying the racing line through a corner, and having descended quite a few big mountains with big switchbacks quite safely.

I do hope Matt gets better soon, but do stand by my comment that some of the lines taken by some of the pros were quite poor. (I never singled out any rider in particular)

Thats easy to say on a key board. A lot more difficult to do in a race situation no matter how many times you have done it in the past

TheBlaaMan

I think he may have reason to believe he was rather fortunate......at the pace he was going, he was heading into the spectators and then into the trees at speed if the car hadn't been in his path.
GWS

dastardly00

RobFowl wrote: »

Lets all criticise the lines pro's take into a corner on a descent none of us have ridden...
I mean we're all great cyclists, some of us have done sportifs and even A3/4 races as well..

I don't see the problem with discussing the lines taken by the pros or any other incident. It'd be a pretty boring place otherwise

None of us are saying we would do a better job.

lennymc

godtabh wrote: »

Thats easy to say on a key board. A lot more difficult to do in a race situation no matter how many times you have done it in the past

I've gone down the side of mountains in race situations here trying to chase back on on roads I did not know. I've gone down the side of pyrenean HC mountains on roads I've never been on before flat out. I've raced motorbikes around tracks where taking a corner wrong will either see you lose places or crash. I'm not having a go at any rider in particular, but, regardless of race situation or not, the lines taken by the majority of riders were pretty poor.

Take a look at the 5th or 6th rider down (about 18 seconds) - he comes down and is on the RHS of the centre line, allowing him to turn in later and get nearer to the apex of the corner. He exits the corner under the rider who was beside him because he took a better line. He is also lined up for the next corner (assuming it a right hander (left would see them turn back into the mountain))

Brammier's accident was terrible, and I really hope he recovers quickly.

onthefringe

RobFowl wrote: »

Lets all criticise the lines pro's take into a corner on a descent none of us have ridden...
I mean we're all great cyclists, some of us have done sportifs and even A3/4 races as well....

Get well soon Matt and hope you get back racing for next season.

there are lots of things in life we take a view on without ever having done them..
nobodys saying they are better or would have done better..
they are just taking a view and expressing an opinion...

Subpopulus

Darkglasses wrote: »

Very unlikely it was a brake failure, but it seems almost everyone in the video wasn't getting the braking they were expecting. I'd say probably the road surface was deceptive. Matt in particular, you can see his rear wheel pops up - a result of braking so hard on the front, but then doesn't have the grip so just skids into the car.

Yeah, I hadn't seen the first video at the time, which makes it clearer what happened.