Saudi Arabia - public flogging for insulting Islam

lightspeed

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/saudi-arabia-blogger-flogged-insulting-islam-20151911120952108.html


"Saudi Arabia has lashed a liberal blogger 50 times in public, despite widespread international outrage and calls for clemency from human right groups.
Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch, said on twitter that blogger and activist, Raif Badawi, was lashed outside a mosque in the Red Sea coastal city of Jeddah on Friday.

Badawi is due to undergo 50 lashes every week after Friday prayers, which will continue for 20 weeks until his punishment is complete.
Amnesty International says Badawi, who started the "Free Saudi Liberals" website, was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes on charges related to accusations he insulted Islam on the online forum.
He was also ordered by Jeddah's Criminal Court to pay a fine of $266,000"

The kingdom did condemn the recent attacks in France but perhaps that is just to keep their customers in the western happy. Judging from this response, it wouldn't probably wouldn't be a stretch to think that if someone drew a picture of Muhammed in the kingdom, they probably would get the death penalty.


At least there has been some response from the US though but Islam is still religion stuck in the middle ages.

Atlantic Dawn

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

donvito99

Hopefully the price of oil stays low, will put these boys out of business. They're running a $38bn deficit.

TwoShedsJackson

Repressive medieval theocracy strikes again.

Waitsian

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

The guy is a Saudi, he has no choice in the matter. He's trying to make the place where he lives better.

The mind boggles at the inanity posted on this forum sometimes.

PopePalpatine

donvito99 wrote: »

Hopefully the price of oil stays low, will put these boys out of business. They're running a $38bn deficit.

Unfortunately, they've got plenty in reserve. The Saudis have been making a big push recently to drive up their oil production and drive down the price of their oil.

The Bould Rabbit

Probably best not to exercise freedom of speech in places like Saudi really.

You won't beat the Neanderthal fuckwits in the religious police that control the place.

50 lashes a week for 20 weeks though.

Poor bastard.

Standman

50 lashes every Friday for 20 weeks, talk about a living hell. :eek:

ZiabR

1000 lashes... christ that is insane.

darkpagandeath

Thought they did 5 lashes a day till they were all done ?

lightspeed

article seems he sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1000 lashes along with a fine of $266,000 so seems even worse than 20 lashes.

I hope for nuclear power to replace oil dependancu in EU and then maybe western countries can grow a spine and pass santions against these medieval countries.

bb1234567

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

No. Should black people have moved from america to africa during the 60's?

thomasm

That's sadistic and barbaric in the extreme. That poor guy wont have a back left in 3-4 weeks and they will literally keep shredding him. Always hated the thought and sight of whipping/flogging. Had to switch off 12 years a slave.

iDave

Someone will jump into this thread all concerned about generalisations made about islam instead of being concern about the poor lad getting assaulted regularly in the name of islam.

Buona Fortuna

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

So anything you disagree with here just has to stay that way, for fear of upsetting someone?

Don't satarise the Magdalene Laundries?
Don't campaign about the treatment of unmarried mothers.
Don't satarise church and state, that's the way the country is and if you don't like it find another one?

Glass Prison 1214

What a barbaric and despicable country it is.

JONJO THE MISER

Oil price keeps falling and this will hurt them good and proper, they deserve to be wandering around the desert like they were before, no place for that country in the modern world.

Grayson

iDave wrote: »

Someone will jump into this thread all concerned about generalisations made about islam instead of being concern about the poor lad getting assaulted regularly in the name of islam.

I doubt it. When people (like me) defend Muslims we say that you can't base your opinion of Islam based on that act as it is a very extreme version of Islam. That version is horrific. It's barbaric and inhumane. I think very, very few people outside of that sect would try to defend it. The guy didn't deserve even a small fine never mind a huge fine, imprisonment and lashes.

BlaasForRafa

Saudi Arabia, the home of the religion of peace, where if you say anything bad about it they lash pieces off of you.

AboutaWeekAgo

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The_Kew_Tour

And our parents thought getting a smack of a cane across the hand was bad from Brothers/nuns

PizzamanIRL

This is why I'm glad I live in a place like Ireland.

Waitsian

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

This is why I'm glad I live in a place like Ireland.

Yeah, now. The place wasn't so great in the not so distant past. Wonder why it's changed? Hmmmm.

Egginacup

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

And if it was Iran?

Beano

mod9maple wrote: »

Yeah, now. The place wasn't so great in the not so distant past. Wonder why it's changed? Hmmmm.

however bad it was you werent likely to get 1000 lashes, 10 years in jail and 266,000 fine for satire.

suicide_circus

The sooner these dark ages cnuts run out of oil thr better

Egginacup

lightspeed wrote: »

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/saudi-arabia-blogger-flogged-insulting-islam-20151911120952108.html


"Saudi Arabia has lashed a liberal blogger 50 times in public, despite widespread international outrage and calls for clemency from human right groups.
Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch, said on twitter that blogger and activist, Raif Badawi, was lashed outside a mosque in the Red Sea coastal city of Jeddah on Friday.

Badawi is due to undergo 50 lashes every week after Friday prayers, which will continue for 20 weeks until his punishment is complete.
Amnesty International says Badawi, who started the "Free Saudi Liberals" website, was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes on charges related to accusations he insulted Islam on the online forum.
He was also ordered by Jeddah's Criminal Court to pay a fine of $266,000"

The kingdom did condemn the recent attacks in France but perhaps that is just to keep their customers in the western happy. Judging from this response, it wouldn't probably wouldn't be a stretch to think that if someone drew a picture of Muhammed in the kingdom, they probably would get the death penalty.


At least there has been some response from the US though but Islam is still religion stuck in the middle ages.

:pac:

Don't be naive. The US and Saudi Arabia have an agreement Saudi Arabia sells its oil to the West and manipulates the price according to US wishes (John Kerry's trip before Christmas to the Kingdom to get them to expand production and sink the price in order to try and ruin the Russian economy).
The US in turn says to the Saudis "look we don't give a shit about human rights, gay rights, women's rights, kids' rights or any of that crap. You can massacre your people for all we care. We are only interested in buying your oil and selling you military equipment. Obviously once in a while when you behead some faggot or stone some whore to death or chop the hands off some worthless peasant we might come out and verbally condemn it but that's just for show. We have our arrangements with you and nothing else matters!"

Waitsian

Beano wrote: »

however bad it was you werent likely to get 1000 lashes, 10 years in jail and 266,000 fine for satire.

Specifically or exactly no, but the religious nuts in this country sure made the lives of an awful lot of people, young and old, a merry hell. Don't you agree? Industrial schools, Magdalene laundries, corporal punishment in schools etc etc. Is Ireland a good place to live now? Better than Saudi Arabia, yes. Was it always? No. Why? Religious domination of society. What changed it? Education, secularisation, and ultimately the liberation of mind and body.

Egginacup

lightspeed wrote: »

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/saudi-arabia-blogger-flogged-insulting-islam-20151911120952108.html


"Saudi Arabia has lashed a liberal blogger 50 times in public, despite widespread international outrage and calls for clemency from human right groups.
Hillel Neuer, Executive Director of UN Watch, said on twitter that blogger and activist, Raif Badawi, was lashed outside a mosque in the Red Sea coastal city of Jeddah on Friday.

Badawi is due to undergo 50 lashes every week after Friday prayers, which will continue for 20 weeks until his punishment is complete.
Amnesty International says Badawi, who started the "Free Saudi Liberals" website, was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes on charges related to accusations he insulted Islam on the online forum.
He was also ordered by Jeddah's Criminal Court to pay a fine of $266,000"

The kingdom did condemn the recent attacks in France but perhaps that is just to keep their customers in the western happy. Judging from this response, it wouldn't probably wouldn't be a stretch to think that if someone drew a picture of Muhammed in the kingdom, they probably would get the death penalty.


At least there has been some response from the US though but Islam is still religion stuck in the middle ages.

50 lashes a week for 20 weeks....I doubt the man will survive that. Just as the slashes on his back start to scab up he'll be dragged back out for another merciless flogging and have them all ripped open again....and again and again.

Mesrine65

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Saudi Arabia, the home of the religion of peace, where if you say anything bad about it they lash pieces off of you.

Saudi Arabia the home of Wahhabissm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

happysunnydays

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

I'm sure they were people all over Europe who thought the exact same thing about the Nazis before the second world war. Ah sure I'm on this side of the border, doesn't bother me what goes on over there in Germany.

What we are seeing in Paris is a spill over of the madness that goes on in these stone age countries like Saudi Arabia. This form of stone age barbarism doesn't recognise international boundaries and it could just as easily directly or indirectly affect your life some day.

Vomit

Saudi Arabia is the most oppressive of the Islamic regimes that people are so fond of condemning, yet they will never be invaded or occupied or have any kind of aerial freedom dropped on them, because they have good oil deals with the US, and they play ball and do what they are told. Had Iraq et al been this way, they would not have been invaded/interfered with.

Field east

Has any poster ever witnessed a flogging and what was it like. For example does the flogger come down on the back, I assume, with each lash as hard as is possible or is each lash just going through the motions of a flogging. Has it got to do with the public shaming of the individual rather than trying to inflict maximum physical punishment?

Amirani

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

Is there something wrong with you?

Captain Chaos

donvito99 wrote: »

Hopefully the price of oil stays low, will put these boys out of business. They're running a $38bn deficit.

Some estimates reckon that their oil wells will run dry in 15 years anyway.

Snickers Man

donvito99 wrote: »

Hopefully the price of oil stays low, will put these boys out of business. They're running a $38bn deficit.

I hardly think so. Given that they're primarily the boys that are driving the price down at the moment.

If anyone goes out of business it will be the extractors of inherently more expensive oil. Like shale-gas and sand-oil drillers and frackers in the states. Or north sea oil drillers from the UK and Norway.

Sadly.

pragmatic1

Fianna Fail also put blasphemy laws in place in this country. Completely at odds with freedom of speech and seperation of church and state.

Phonehead

Snickers Man wrote: »

I hardly think so. Given that they're primarily the boys that are driving the price down at the moment.

If anyone goes out of business it will be the extractors of inherently more expensive oil. Like shale-gas and sand-oil drillers and frackers in the states. Or north sea oil drillers from the UK and Norway.

Sadly.

100% correct, it's OPEC who are driving the price down by pumping up production in a price war targetting the US, Canada, Russia etc

Defender OF Faith

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

Unfortunately this argument seems to be applied selectively when taking about France banning the Niqab we say "If you don't like the rules of the country leave" even though among those Muslim women are French citizen who converted to Islam. In this case a person while clearly aware of the blasphemy laws in his country and the punishment it carries decided "feck it I'll do what I want" while living in the country soil.

Just like the Muslim women who decide to wear Burqa in France she must be prepared to deal with the country rules and fines involved, when a man in Saudi Arabia commits blasphemy and insults the religion of the state knowing the rules, he must be ready to deal with the country rules and punishment involved.

The situation may vary but it remains that each country has its own laws and constitution, and by living in the country you agree to follow and be ruled & judged by such laws.

Similar to the case of the Irish citizen imprisoned in Egypt he visited the country and will be judged and ruled by its laws and the Irish government cannot interfere with that.

ChunkyLover54

mod9maple wrote: »

Yeah, now. The place wasn't so great in the not so distant past. Wonder why it's changed? Hmmmm.

The economy improved.

Ask most Irish people why the period between 1950's to the '70s were so miserable (who were alive to experience it) they will probably say it was because the economy was in tatters.

Whenever I asked someone (parents, teachers, relatives) was it really so repressive to live under the thumb of the Church back then, generally they said that looking back it probably was repressive but they weren't aware of it at the time. They were more concerned about how they could put food on the table and heat their homes (how times have changed!).

Either way, its absurd to compare Catholic Ireland in the 20th century with Saudi Arabia.

MRnotlob606

Nothing will be said about this on the US end of things,

Beano

mod9maple wrote: »

Specifically or exactly no, but the religious nuts in this country sure made the lives of an awful lot of people, young and old, a merry hell. Don't you agree? Industrial schools, Magdalene laundries, corporal punishment in schools etc etc. Is Ireland a good place to live now? Better than Saudi Arabia, yes. Was it always? No. Why? Religious domination of society. What changed it? Education, secularisation, and ultimately the liberation of mind and body.

not Specifically ,exactly or even to anywhere near the same level.

Antar Bolaeisk

The ten year prison sentence isn't exactly a walk in the park over here either, not like those cushy places in Ireland.

I also thought they whipped people as a matter of course after Friday prayer so are those 1000 lashes in addition to what would normally be doled out I wonder.

Highflyer13

Barbaric animals. Come out of the dark ages will ye.

Clermont1098

Wasn't Ireland a religious run country for ages. A catholic version of sharia.

flutered

ChunkyLover54 wrote: »

The economy improved.

Ask most Irish people why the period between 1950's to the '70s were so miserable (who were alive to experience it) they will probably say it was because the economy was in tatters.

Whenever I asked someone (parents, teachers, relatives) was it really so repressive to live under the thumb of the Church back then, generally they said that looking back it probably was repressive but they weren't aware of it at the time. They were more concerned about how they could put food on the table and heat their homes (how times have changed!).

Either way, its absurd to compare Catholic Ireland in the 20th century with Saudi Arabia.

lived through it so i can tell my tale, it was not only the church, the state were as bad, the papers printed what they were told up to a point, the church used the state and visa versa, i got me a job in the first factory to be built in the 10 parishes in the early 70's, an election came due, we were all taken down to a pub roughly 50 of us, we got tea and a few sambos, then a pep talk from the big guy down from dublin, who told us in no uncertain terms that we wanted to keepour jobs we had to vote ff, because if they did not get back into power our jobs were gone, wwe were then offered 3 pints of eithe stout or beer, and got the rest of the shift off, no word about the 70% tax being lowered, no just do as your told, not that i did.

ChunkyLover54

flutered wrote: »

told us in no uncertain terms that we wanted to keepour jobs we had to vote ff, because if they did not get back into power our jobs were gone

I wonder how they expected to know which way you voted?

Capt'n Midnight

lightspeed wrote: »

I hope for nuclear power to replace oil dependancu in EU and then maybe western countries can grow a spine and pass santions against these medieval countries.

How will nuclear power reduce dependence on oil ?

We use oil for transport.

Investing in Nuclear means almost no spin off technology. By 1944 we had multiple reactors breeding plutonium. Reactors give off heat. To get electricity you just need 19th century steam turbine powered generator technology. And nuclear isn't even remotely close to cheap.

Investing in renewables means more spin off technologies that could challenge oil usage in transport. Better batteries, grid infrastructure, more efficient electric machines and control systems. And the possibility of energy to fuel from surplus power.



Also the ruling families in S.A. have large foreign investments that benefit from cheap oil.

suicide_circus

Clermont1098 wrote: »

Wasn't Ireland a religious run country for ages. A catholic version of sharia.

Ah yeah sure people were forever being tied to molly mollones barrow and being lashed for forgetting to go to mass

shruikan2553

Clermont1098 wrote: »

Wasn't Ireland a religious run country for ages. A catholic version of sharia.

It wasnt that bad, assuming you weren't an unmarried mother or unlucky alter boy.

PopePalpatine

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's the rules of the country, if you don't like them get out of the place, same with people coming here and wanting to have their own rules implemented on us.

That's not as easy as you'd think. *cough*North Korea*cough*