Media Solidarity for Charlie Hebdo?

Mat the trasher

Why didn't every media outlet in Europe publish the Charlie Hebdo cartoons yesterday as a defiant act of solidarity for those that died and to show we take our freedom of speach seriously?I understand that the cartoons may upset some but they don't injure anybody.

thelad95

Mat the trasher wrote: »

Why didn't every media outlet in Europe publish the Charlie Hebdo cartoons yesterday as a defiant act of solidarity for those that died and to show we take our freedom of speach seriously?I understand that the cartoons may upset some but they don't injure anybody.

While there is no justification for killing people in cold blood, those cartoons were always kicking a hornets nest. I don't see how satire relates to freedom of speech either. There isn't a proper opinion being expressed, just trying to create a joke.

darkpagandeath

Tell that to the people in the Building yesterday...

wendell borton

thelad95 wrote: »

While there is no justification for killing people in cold blood, those cartoons were always kicking a hornets nest. I don't see how satire relates to freedom of speech either. There isn't a proper opinion being expressed, just trying to create a joke.

Its political satire, people have a right to question what's going on in the world.

K4t

thelad95 wrote: »

While there is no justification for killing people in cold blood,

Agreed.

those cartoons were always kicking a hornets nest.

Brilliant. More please.

I don't see how satire relates to freedom of speech either. There isn't a proper opinion being expressed, just trying to create a joke.

And we all know jokes are provocation for murder.

Lau2976

Probably in fear. Which just feeds into the hands if those considering this in the future

Media has successfully sent out the message that they can be bullied into anything.

SweetChaos

Google have sponserd Charlie Hebdo 250000 euro they are going to print 1 million copies of the magazine with help from cartoonists from around the world

Link

wendell borton

I wonder is there any way to purchase a copy here, would be a great way to show some solidarity.

Paz-CCFC

Showing the cartoons aren't the only way of showing solidarity. Many of them gave messages in support. If that's as far as they wish to go, that's their own business.

It's laughable, given all that's happened, the level of criticism some of the Irish media outlets are getting for exercising their freedom of expression by not showing such cartoons.

irishfeen

Lots of TV channels broadcasting with "JE SUIS CHARLIE" or a special black mark across their logo in France ... Nice to see such solidarity in the name of free speech. Canal+, TF1, France televisions, Bein Sport, M6 to name just a few.

HerrScheisse

The greatest irony is, that by their terrorist act of barbarity in the name of their religion, that they have proven the point that the Danish cartoonist was originally trying to make.

It appears to be lost on them.

Debtocracy

thelad95 wrote: »

While there is no justification for killing people in cold blood, those cartoons were always kicking a hornets nest. I don't see how satire relates to freedom of speech either. There isn't a proper opinion being expressed, just trying to create a joke.

But what if they had an overweight cat with dollar signs for eyes and a hat that says social security pouring a bucket that said alternative minimum tax over a sad statue of liberty holding a democracy umbrella.

SweetChaos

wendell borton wrote: »

I wonder is there any way to purchase a copy here, would be a great way to show some solidarity.

They will be in high demand I'd imagine , they said every paper in Paris was sold today that contained the cartoons

keeponhurling

In a multi-denominational society we're supposed to live together , and respect others' right.

Taking the p!ss out of, or belittling somebody else's God is not a very nice thing to do, in my opinion.

It's stirring a hornet's nest and frankly a cheap way to sell a few extra papers being controversial.

Obviously the murderers are a million times worse, let's hope it's not long until the police track them down

SweetChaos

irishfeen wrote: »

Lots of TV channels broadcasting with "JE SUIS CHARLIE" or a special black mark across their logo in France ... Nice to see such solidarity in the name of free speech. Canal+, TF1, France televisions, Bein Sport, M6 to name just a few.

Google has a black ribbon too on their search page

endacl

This should be an annual event.

Dont call me Shirley

keeponhurling wrote: »

In a multi-denominational society we're supposed to live together , and respect others' right.

Taking the p!ss out of, or belittling somebody else's God is not a very nice thing to do, in my opinion.

It's stirring a hornet's nest and frankly a cheap way to sell a few extra papers being controversial.

Obviously the murderers are a million times worse, let's hope it's not long until the police track them down

Agreed, I'm thinking of wearing my satirical "Rape victims are sluts" t-shirt to work tomorrow in solidarity. Freedom of speech right?

Guy:Incognito

keeponhurling wrote: »

Taking the p!ss out of, or belittling somebody else's God is not a very nice thing to do, in my opinion.

They satirise all versions of god and organised religion, as well as politics etc.

K4t

Dont call me Shirley wrote: »

Agreed, I'm thinking of wearing my satirical "Rape victims are sluts" t-shirt to work tomorrow in solidarity. Freedom of speech right?

It is your right, as it should be.


And if you truly do believe what is written on your shirt, then I'm sure people would be happier knowing you held those views rather than remaining blissfully unaware.

mloc123

Irish papers were happy to run with the image of the policeman lying on the ground begging for his life... They wouldn't print the cartoons as they might offend, Hmm.

endacl

Dont call me Shirley wrote: »

Agreed, I'm thinking of wearing my satirical "Rape victims are sluts" t-shirt to work tomorrow in solidarity. Freedom of speech right?

You have that right. Go right ahead. Post pics.

Dont call me Shirley

endacl wrote: »

You have that right. Go right ahead. Post pics.

Do you want the t-shirt pics or the pics of me in hospital?

endacl

Dont call me Shirley wrote: »

Do you want the t-shirt pics or the pics of me in hospital?

Neither. Obviously...

Dont call me Shirley

K4t wrote: »

It is your right, as it should be.


And if you truly do believe what is written on your shirt, then I'm sure people would be happier knowing you held those views rather than remaining blissfully unaware.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. If i follow correctly I think what you're saying is that we should all be happy to be aware of the views of every nasty, twisted asshole regardless of how offensive or hurtful that might be?

I just do not see that.

The amount of people who'll see/have seen the cartoons over the next few will be absolutely massive compared to the number who seen them before.

K4t

Dont call me Shirley wrote: »

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. If i follow correctly I think what you're saying is that we should all be happy to be aware of the views of every nasty, twisted asshole regardless of how offensive or hurtful that might be?

Yes, in an ideal world. You've summed it up quite well.

Dont call me Shirley

K4t wrote: »

Yes, in an ideal world. You've summed it up quite well.

Oh dear God/Muhammad/Elvis whatever. So what your saying is that if a victim of sexual abuse say me wearing me t-shirt they should more happy than offended because I have the freedom to do so.

I'm not going to take this argument any further as it's getting ridiculous.

K4t

Dont call me Shirley wrote: »

Oh dear God/Muhammad/Elvis whatever. So what your saying is that if a victim of sexual abuse say me wearing me t-shirt they should more happy than offended because I have the freedom to do so.

I'm not going to take this argument any further as it's getting ridiculous.

Should be happy that you have the freedom to wear the shirt? Of course.


The shirt itself probably wouldn't fill the person with joy.

Dont call me Shirley

K4t wrote: »

Should be happy that you have the freedom to wear the shirt? Of course.


The shirt itself probably wouldn't fill the person with joy.

Cough, backtracking a little are we?

keith16

mloc123 wrote: »

Irish papers were happy to run with the image of the policeman lying on the ground begging for his life... They wouldn't print the cartoons as they might offend, Hmm.

I don't get your point.

Yesterday was not the time to publish cartoons as an act of solidarity. To do so would have been a knee-jerk, emotive reaction.

Papers all over the World published the same picture of that policeman, not just Irish ones.

K4t

Dont call me Shirley wrote: »

Cough, backtracking a little are we?

Not at all. I could care less about your imaginary person's happiness. As is my right. I made my point clearly. Address it or stop wasting my time.

keeponhurling

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They satirise all versions of god and organised religion, as well as politics etc.

That doesn't really matter though.

Just going to insult a broader spectrum of people

Sisko

thelad95 wrote: »

There isn't a proper opinion being expressed, just trying to create a joke.

Yeah there is. At the end of the day, its illogical and stupid to be offended by a simple drawing of a person. Just because your religion told you you were supposed to be offended by it.

Its even crazier to be angry by it. And at its worst think its ok to kill over it.


This kinda of thinking is dated uncivilised and barbaric. So making cartoons to protest that kind of thinking is the goal.

fryup

alan knows best....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R72pAmy1PE4

Amirani

Dont call me Shirley wrote: »

Agreed, I'm thinking of wearing my satirical "Rape victims are sluts" t-shirt to work tomorrow in solidarity. Freedom of speech right?

Yep, and your employer will have the freedom to sack you for acting like a tool. And everyone will have the freedom to dislike you for acting like a tool. You're unlikely to be gunned down by rape victims though.

kowloon

thelad95 wrote: »

While there is no justification for killing people in cold blood, those cartoons were always kicking a hornets nest. I don't see how satire relates to freedom of speech either. There isn't a proper opinion being expressed, just trying to create a joke.

Satire actually holds a special position in the free speech laws of quite a few nations.

Zebra3

Solidarity with Charlie Hedbo for freedom of speech?

The same rag that sacked someone for mocking Israeli war crimes on the basis of alleged anti-semitism?

That hate filled rag has no respect for free speech.

PLL

Very powerful I think...

http://www.architecturendesign.net/the-pen-is-mightier-than-the-sword-28-cartoonists-pay-tribute-to-the-victims-of-the-charlie-hebdo-shooting/

AndonHandon

Some great ones but another thread on this, really?

What about Boko Haram's atrocities the past few days?

Ruu

Merging these two threads.

Mod.

BlaasForRafa

Dont call me Shirley wrote: »

Oh dear God/Muhammad/Elvis whatever. So what your saying is that if a victim of sexual abuse say me wearing me t-shirt they should more happy than offended because I have the freedom to do so.

I'm not going to take this argument any further as it's getting ridiculous.

Since you're going on about it so much, prove that you possess such a t-shirt.

BlaasForRafa

Zebra3 wrote: »

Solidarity with Charlie Hedbo for freedom of speech?

The same rag that sacked someone for mocking Israeli war crimes on the basis of alleged anti-semitism?

That hate filled rag has no respect for free speech.

Charlie Hebdo have the right to hire and fire who they wish. Or perhaps you think that should be a shooting offence too?

mloc123

keith16 wrote: »

I don't get your point.

Yesterday was not the time to publish cartoons as an act of solidarity. To do so would have been a knee-jerk, emotive reaction.

Papers all over the World published the same picture of that policeman, not just Irish ones.

My understanding of all other papers printing the cartoons is as an act of defiance to the gunmen.

It is saying, if you try to silence one person everybody else will speak out instead. As somebody else posted above.. The result is that more people than ever have now seen the cartoons which is the opposite of what the gunmen wanted.

Egginacup

Mat the trasher wrote: »

Why didn't every media outlet in Europe publish the Charlie Hebdo cartoons yesterday as a defiant act of solidarity for those that died and to show we take our freedom of speach seriously?I understand that the cartoons may upset some but they don't injure anybody.

Why not air ongoing episodes of the black and white minstrels while you at it?
They're a humiliating insult to black men and women everywhere but they don't injure anyone.
Sure, go ahead, insult people just for the heck of it.

dissed doc

Mat the trasher wrote: »

Why didn't every media outlet in Europe publish the Charlie Hebdo cartoons yesterday as a defiant act of solidarity for those that died and to show we take our freedom of speach seriously?I understand that the cartoons may upset some but they don't injure anybody.

Because the lead media has for years been suppressing dissent against current political doctrine for years; modern lead print and television media is now almost defined by it's ::lack:: of freedom of speech. Have a read of Gekaufte Journalisten.

Egginacup

wendell borton wrote: »

I wonder is there any way to purchase a copy here, would be a great way to show some solidarity.

Solidarity?

You realise that Sarkozy has already met with Hollande to draw up plans for tighter restrictions of freedom across the EU:

http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/sarkozy-demande-hollande-d-augmenter-le-niveau-de-fermete-et-de-vigilance-628421

(Don't know how your French is but you can get it translated). Someone is already capitalising on the killings.

You may not like Muslims but deliberately insulting them just for the hell of it doesn't show any kind of maturity at all. And if you think that this is satire:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6v_NDuCMAAhoMZ.jpg

("No terrorist attacks in France? We have until the end of january to send our best wishes")

Charlie Hebdo has been in the business of insulting Muslims just to sell magazines for years.
If you think I'm condoning the murder of the employess, think again, but if I walked into Harlem and started calling every person I saw a nigger, spook, wog, etc., or into a Travellers' halting site and started calling them all knackers, or around the neighbourhoods of Miami calling them all filthy greasy daygo spicks and then taunted them with "well, whatchya gonna do about it?" and got the shit kicked out of me or killed, there are very few who would sympathise except some racist assholes who think that deliberately baiting, badgering and insulting people is freedom of speech.

And it's not just Muslims who are so easily offended. In Britain there were death threats, over 50,000 complaints and a call for the banning of "Jerry Springer, The Opera" by Christian groups because of the depiction of Jesus Christ in a nappy amongst other things. Some of those who were venting their rage on air would be the very same people who would eagerly applaud Charlie Hebdo for their "right" to insult Muslims as "free speech".

Political satire is one thing but Charlie Hebdo wasn't about satire anymore. It was piss-taking to stir it up and it backfired.

Mat the trasher

[QUOTE= It was piss-taking to stir it up and it backfired.[/QUOTE]


So reckon you shag goats, so now you can call around and kill me?

RWCNT

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They satirise all versions of god and organised religion, as well as politics etc.

All religions don't have equal standing in every country. Taking the piss out of one is not necessarily the same as taking the piss out of another.

Terrible tragedy all the same and the backlash that many Muslims living in France are going to/have already been on the end of is terrible to read.

Capt'n Midnight

Mat the trasher wrote: »

Why didn't every media outlet in Europe publish the Charlie Hebdo cartoons yesterday as a defiant act of solidarity for those that died and to show we take our freedom of speach seriously?

Because they are too busy giving terrorists the oxygen of publicity.


How many Journalists were killed because the media went into a feeding frenzy over beheadings ?

And all the copycat killers or suicides after high profile events.

fiachr_a

Publish that cartoon on Boards and see what happens.

Lau2976

fiachr_a wrote: »

Publish that cartoon on Boards and see what happens.

Didn't somebody already do that on the other thread?