*SNIP* warns of future attacks if Muhammad is mocked

Caliden

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0108/671209-charlie-hebdo-reaction/

Dr Ali Selim, spokesman at the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland, has warning Irish publications against posting comics mocking the Prophet Muhammad and said that legal action would be taken using the blasphemy legislation in order to prosecute those responsible.


When asked about freedom of speech: "We are great advocates of freedom of speech, but the freedom of speech we support is that freedom of speech that is practised responsibly.

"Everything has limits. Let me ask you one question: Can this paper publish mockery images of the Holocaust? Can they do that?"

So it seems he wants freedom of speech but only as long as it doesn't mock Muhammad or offends him in anyway.


This guy is living in a dream world where he thinks satire should not exist. His comments read like a threat being issued under the veil of legal action.

pmasterson95

Locked in 3, 2, 1

humanji

MOD: A good tip to getting ahead on Boards is to not create a thread with a libelous title.

Magico Gonzalez

Sadly the guy is perfectly within his rights according to Ireland's medieval anti-blasphemy laws.

Wish it wasn't so.

iDave

People get murdered on the street but that's what offends him!

The Bould Rabbit

The saddest part of all this is that Irish media and publications are taking his threat seriously.


In other words - Giving in to him.

batnolan

Dermot Ahern you absolute pillock

Magico Gonzalez

The Bould Rabbit wrote: »

The saddest part of all this is that Irish media and publications are taking his threat seriously.


In other words - Giving in to him.

He has the law on his side, what should they do? Knowing break the (moronic) law?

Matt_Trakker

He could try to bring a case, but that doesn't mean one would be brought:

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it would be necessary to establish that the publisher “intends” to cause outrage among a substantial number of Muslims. This would be hard to establish

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it is a defence for the publisher to prove that “a reasonable person would find genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value” in the publication

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it would be a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) whether to prosecute or not. And although, at common law, any individual has the right to initiate a private criminal prosecution, the DPP can decide to discontinue it.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/01/08/publish-and-be-damned/

Taxburden carrier

batnolan wrote: »

Dermot Ahern you absolute pillock

On so many levels !

gazzamc

Sure he was a great boxer, why would I mock him :P

Donkey Oaty

Will the next edition of Charlie Hebdo, cartoons and all, be available in Ireland?

If it is, will Dr A or the Islamic Cultural Centre take legal action?

Time for them to put up or shut up.

mikom

Caliden wrote: »

"Everything has limits. Let me ask you one question: Can this paper publish mockery images of the Holocaust? Can they do that?"

*Flicks on RTE2 to see "The savage eye" doing a sketch about the famine.

*Pulls life is beautiful and Chaplin's The Great Dictator from dvd collection.

AllGunsBlazing

He's due to appear on the six one news, apparently.

Taxburden carrier

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

He's due to appear on the six one news, apparently.

Muhammad ?

stevedublin

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

Muhammad ?

Muhammad, PBUH, has been dead over 1000 years.

AllGunsBlazing

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

Muhammad ?

Yep. He reckons the Hebdo cartoons were brilliant. Great sense of humour.

suicide_circus

It is worth noting that Dr Selim has also refused to condemn the 9/11 attacks.

https://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/ali-selim%E2%80%99s-mask-begins-to-slip-by-our-irish-islamist-expert/

neil_hosey

Caliden wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0108/671209-charlie-hebdo-reaction/

"Everything has limits. Let me ask you one question: Can this paper publish mockery images of the Holocaust? Can they do that?"

Pity he didnt use the famine as an example..

http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/British-TV-channel-strongly-defends-making-comedy-about-Irish-Famine.html

darkpagandeath

Time to Get your local Td's to vote this antiquated law out of existence. We are no longer under the churches grasp so the law should be abolished.

And does anyone know how these laws stack up to the EU human rights/ Freedom of expression laws ? And why no one has taken a case to the EU ?

zl1whqvjs75cdy

stevedublin wrote: »

Muhammad, PBUH, has been dead over 1000 years.

Think he was being sarcastic mate.

The Bould Rabbit

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

He has the law on his side, what should they do? Knowingly break the (moronic) law?

YES

Piliger

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

He's due to appear on the six one news, apparently.

SkyNews have been using him all afternoon to stoke up ratings. I find his loud aggressive hate rantings quite sickening.

We in Ireland should be hanging our own heads in shame. We long ago surrendered to extreme religious bigotry by introducing blasphemy laws that have decimated the kind of freedom of speech that they have in France.

Anyone who uses the 'je suis charlie' meme should reflect on the fact that it is a joke in Ireland

AllGunsBlazing

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Time to Get your local Td's to vote this antiquated law out of existence. We are no longer under the churches grasp so the law should be abolished.

They'll defend it to the hilt. Will be seen as a handy firewall, especially after yesterday's events.

darkpagandeath

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

They'll defend it to the hilt. Will be seen as a handy firewall, especially after yesterday's events.

Well they can try Pretty sure it's against EU something or other, You know as we have a terrible good record on human rights here and so on. You would think they would want to change the image of the government to be progressive.

nullzero

Ultimately, although there are plenty of moderate Muslims who are happy to integrate into western societies their religious leaders (such as they are; not organized in the same way as say the Catholic Church) really have no interest in any real integration. All religions are daft in their own ways but Islam is the schizoid poster child of religious neuroses in the modern age.

AllGunsBlazing

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You would think they would want to change the image of the government to be progressive.

I'd imagine their innate cowardice would override that.

Kristopherus

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Time to Get your local Td's to vote this antiquated law out of existence. We are no longer under the churches grasp so the law should be abolished.

And does anyone know how these laws stack up to the EU human rights/ Freedom of expression laws ? And why no one has taken a case to the EU ?

Almost all the Churches had no part in encouraging that law. It was brought in a a sop to the minority religions under the guise of equality. IIRC the currenty crowd intend to repeal it.

K.Flyer

Caliden wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0108/671209-charlie-hebdo-reaction/

Dr Ali Selim, spokesman at the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland, has warning Irish publications against posting comics mocking the Prophet Muhammad and said that legal action would be taken using the blasphemy legislation in order to prosecute those responsible.


When asked about freedom of speech: "We are great advocates of freedom of speech, but the freedom of speech we support is that freedom of speech that is practised responsibly.

"Everything has limits. Let me ask you one question: Can this paper publish mockery images of the Holocaust? Can they do that?"

So it seems he wants freedom of speech but only as long as it doesn't mock Muhammad or offends him in anyway.


This guy is living in a dream world where he thinks satire should not exist. His comments read like a threat being issued under the veil of legal action.

Just a few minutes ago on Newstalk, a Trinity law professor Owen O'Dowall believes that to reprint the images in the context of reporting on what happened whould NOT leave the publishers open to any legal action.And that most likely the DPP would dismiss the case as being judicial time wasting.

The Bould Rabbit

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

Muhammad ?

Apparently Dobbo is having difficulty trying to drag him away from the free booze in the RTÉ green room, so they're going to send in Sharon Ní Beoláin to seduce him away from the bar and into the newsroom. If she can't do it, no one can.

Tune into the Six-One News in half an hour to see if she successfully lured the pissed up prophet with her charm, or will we have to put with a dour spokesman appearing on his behalf instead.

seamus

"Can this paper publish mockery images of the Holocaust? Can they do that?"

I'm pretty sure they can, they wouldn't be breaking any laws.

This is the same guy who believes that Irish schools should adopt Sharia law, he's an idiot. The muslim community in Ireland should be doing their best to distance themselves from his nonsense.

mikom

Kristopherus wrote: »

It was brought in a a sop to the minority religions under the guise of equality. IIRC the currenty crowd intend to repeal it.

Don't be raisin our hopes......

Piliger

K.Flyer wrote: »

Just a few minutes ago on Newstalk, a Trinity law professor Owen O'Dowall believes that to reprint the images in the context of reporting on what happened whould NOT leave the publishers open to any legal action.And that most likely the DPP would dismiss the case as being judicial time wasting.

Unfortunately this Trinity Law Professor would not be in court to judge on the situation, so someone is still going to have to take a chance to lose a lot of money.

Strong Life in Dublin

Muhammed was a paedophile who married a 6 year old and also invaded every single one of his neighbouring nations. How are people still surprised his followers are following in his footsteps?

darkpagandeath

Piliger wrote: »

Unfortunately this Trinity Law Professor would not be in court to judge on the situation, so someone is still going to have to take a chance to lose a lot of money.

I dunno I would bypass the Irish courts and go strait to the EU, Irish courts did a great job on them abuse victims did they not....

chrysagon

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

Muhammad ?

Im sure the last person to box Muhammad will be his undertaker!

Strong Life in Dublin

Piliger wrote: »

Unfortunately this Trinity Law Professor would not be in court to judge on the situation, so someone is still going to have to take a chance to lose a lot of money.

I'm sure they can find a loophole

Kermit.de.frog

In the Irish Times report on this it says of Mr Selim

Lecturer says he may stand in election and would be interested in talking to Lucinda Creighton

lol. Not sure she would be happy with this!

shruikan2553

Future attacks? When you said attacks I expected something a bit more than the Islam wing of the Iona Institute.

K4t

Dr Ali Selim has been given numerous platforms to express his views today including television and radio and is also scheduled to appear on the RTE six one news. He has also expressed his right under Irish law to have any Irish media outlet who reprint the Charlie Hebdo cartoons brought to court in a thinly veiled threat.

It seems we do have freedom of speech in this country afterall, but only if you're in favour of religion. The rest of us have to be sensitive and mindful of the beliefs of the religious folk for fear of the law or worse.

My name is URL

Where exactly is the threat of 'future attacks' in that article? =/

The guy's an idiot, but the only threats been made seem to be empty legal ones

BlatentCheek

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In the Irish Times report on this it says of Mr Selim




lol. Not sure she would be happy with this!

Yeah I saw that, your man's clearly lost the plot. His grandstanding is turning into a bit of a lolacaust, if only someone would take his bait and publish the cartoons I'm sure he'll make a prize tit of himself.

shruikan2553

My name is URL wrote: »

Where exactly is the threat of 'future attacks' in that article? =/

The guy's an idiot, but the only threats been made seem to be empty legal ones

RTE are probably terrified of what will happen. Might have the BAI set on them again.

Standman

This guy is spitting on everything those dead cartoonists stood for with his thinly veiled threats. He may condemn violence, but on this issue it's plain to see he agrees with those murderers while merely using a different kind of threat. Disgusting.

Is this what moderate Islam looks like?

viztopia

Taxburden carrier wrote: »

Muhammad ?

The paedophile?

TwoShedsJackson

So what did Dr. Selim have to say on the Six-One then?

oppenheimer1

humanji wrote: »

MOD: A good tip to getting ahead on Boards is to not create a thread with a libelous title.

You snipped the title but left the content of the post intact.

It wouldn' take a genius to work out the name that was removed, so from a libel perspective the sniping was pointless.

Kristopherus

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

So what did Dr. Selim have to say on the Six-One then?

Not on yet. He's on after the current ad-break.

shruikan2553

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

You snipped the title but left the content of the post intact.

It wouldn' take a genius to work out the name that was removed, so from a libel perspective the sniping was pointless.

Probably to do with the attacks parts. The OP mentions no such thing.

AndonHandon

He has unfortunately undone the good of his condemnation of the violence by issuing these threats. As a leader of the community he speaks for the community and has done nothing to assist Muslims living, probably, in a bit of fear at the moment.

darkpagandeath

Where is the government on this ? Surly this is being used to censor debate on this issue and pre-empt any solidarity here in regards to the French journalists.