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The story:

At least 12 people, including two policemen, have been killed in a shooting at the Paris offices of French satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo.

Another 20 people were injured in the attack, including four or five critically.

Police union official Rocco Contento described the scene inside the offices as "carnage".

Full story here

Peist2007

Will be interesting to see the French response to this tonight, both in the government and on the streets.

Hitchens

terrible.................just terrible :mad:

RobertKK

Lets hope these killers are caught quickly and no one else is injured by them.

A meeting at the Spire is happening at 7pm to show solidarity with the French.

RobYourBuilder

RIP to the 12. Senseless killings.

Virgil°

Is it possible do you think that the thread continue under the precedence that

a) Muslims are not a race.

b) Islam is not another word for "Muslims".

I doubt its possible but i'd love to see it attempted.

Grayson

I've only read a story on the guardian. It seems like the perpetrators are Islamic fundamentalists. Did they say they were? Has there a group taken responsibility?

I'll admit that it probably is they but I'm just wondering. After the Madrid bombings people thought it was ETA and I believe after Oklahoma they weren't looking for domestic terrorists at first.

Edit: Just read the RTE one. Saw that someone apparently mentioned the prophet. Guess that answers my question.

asteroids over berlin

RIP to all.

Delusional Islamic fools (the gunmen)!

Duggy747

Lots of people out in Paris showing solidarity.

People holding pens up.

Massive crowd here

Lovely Bloke

to massacre a staff of a magazine because they published unflattering cartoons of your religion's prophet is inhuman.

How come other religions can tolerate it, without resorting to this kind of behaviour?

Palmach

Virgil° wrote: »

Is it possible do you think that the thread continue under the precedence that

a) Muslims are not a race.

b) Islam is not another word for "Muslims".

I doubt its possible but i'd love to see it attempted.

I have tried that but some people have their heads up their own posteriors with political correctness. As the great Sam Harris said we must always differentiate between attacking the ideology ie Islam which is in my opinion a religion that is in many parts backward and medieval and attacking all Muslims as people.

The Imam at Clonskeagh was on Newstalk condemning the cartoons. On the day that was in it it says a lot about the mindset of some Muslims. Ali Selim has according to Mike Horan threatened legal action against anyone who publishes these cartoons in Ireland.

ALL newspapers in Europe should as a show of solidarity publish Charlie Hebdos cartoons on their front pages tomorrow.

6781

Rip to all those who lost there life's today.

These fascists and their supporters need to be wiped out.

Lovely Bloke

they probably aren't still in Paris

branie2

It was awful

KilOit

Peist2007 wrote: »

Will be interesting to see the French response to this tonight, both in the government and on the streets.

Would be worried about the streets, a lot of innocent middle eastern people will bear the brunt of this tragedy

Grayson

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

to massacre a staff of a magazine because they published unflattering cartoons of your religion's prophet is inhuman.

How come other religions can tolerate it, without resorting to this kind of behaviour?

In the US last year a guy went on the rampage with a gun. He was killing black people because the bible told him.

As much as I dislike religion these kind of people are not generally reflective of the religion.

Peist2007

Admiral Ozzel wrote: »

I find it worrying that they are still running around Paris and armed to the teeth.

Probably live in Paris. Or not. They looked like professionals and they didnt martry themselves. I'd say they are all sitting in or around Paris in separate locations watching the news unfold. I would be very surprised if they had any other plans for today. Mission accomplished is what it looks like from their perspective.

Hitchens

KilOit wrote: »

Would be worried about the streets, a lot of innocent middle eastern people will bear the brunt of this tragedy

that is partly the aim of those bástards

CrazyRabbit

The sad thing is that a growing number of people will likely be celebrating this and not condemning it as the gross act of barbarism is truly is.

Events like this inevitably lead to retaliation by either individuals, groups or the military forces of countries, which is turn generates more extremist terrorists. It's a vicious cycle.

efb

I remember when South Park had Muhammad on a show and no one batted an eyelid.

RIP to the deceased

Peist2007

KilOit wrote: »

Would be worried about the streets, a lot of innocent middle eastern people will bear the brunt of this tragedy

Exactly. France and Paris is a pressure cooker at the best of times.

Palmach

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

they probably aren't still in Paris

According to some reports their French was heavily accented perhaps indicating they weren't French. The Old Bill keep a tight lid on things in France so they may have been brought in.

It is strange because they knew the codes to the building and they knew the whole staff was there. Also security seems to have been stepped down after the New Year according to a journalist on Coopers show.

ardle1

Charlie Hebdo has been criticising and lampooning religion and politics for a long time, and particularly zoned in on Islam... They had been warned and they also had security measures in place and French police where also aware of their vulnerable situation!
Today unfortunately they paid the ultimate price.

nokia69

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

they probably aren't still in Paris

it looked like they were going for the suburbs, its possible that they have made a clean get away

but they might be planning another attack

Palmach

KilOit wrote: »

Would be worried about the streets, a lot of innocent middle eastern people will bear the brunt of this tragedy

What is noteworthy is that in western countries following such attacks there has been little or no backlash.

Lovely Bloke

ardle1 wrote: »

Charlie Hebdo has been criticising and lampooning religion and politics for a long time, and particularly zoned in on Islam..

Nope, they also "zoned in on" Judaism, Christianity and right-wing politicians.

JONJO THE MISER

Palmach wrote: »

The Imam at Clonskeagh was on Newstalk condemning the cartoons. On the day that was in it it says a lot about the mindset of some Muslims. Ali Selim has according to Mike Horan threatened legal action against anyone who publishes these cartoons in Ireland.

Why would that surprise, his son is in prison in Egypt and was a supporter of the muslim brotherhood there, a group that is as bad as Isis, i hope the special branch are keeping tabs on this guy.

RollieFingers

Those Islamist extremists are bad, bad men, can they not just chill like, murdering a dozen innocent people over a poxy cartoon! They don't exactly give a good name to or portray their religion in a very positive light, scumbags!

Smiles35

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

to massacre a staff of a magazine because they published unflattering cartoons of your religion's prophet is inhuman.

How come other religions can tolerate it, without resorting to this kind of behaviour?

It's a law in Islam. No images of the prophet whatsoever.

bodice ripper

Palmach wrote: »

ALL newspapers in Europe should as a show of solidarity publish Charlie Hebdos cartoons on their front pages tomorrow.

+1

ninebeanrows

Europe is near a tipping point, soon we could have the likes of Sinn Fein, UKIP and the National Front leading governments. We are at a dangerous point in history. We must stand back and make firm decisions but not descend into complete ignorance and racism.

Hitchens

Noblong wrote: »

It's a law in Islam. No images of the prophet whatsoever.

so it's ok then to massacre cartoonists?

fran17

Horrible event.Many areas of Paris and France must be a tinderbox tonight.Hollande better come with his A game later.

Hazys

My biggest question is why aren't Muslim people and their leaders speaking out against these attacks, condoning them?

I unfortunately get the impression that a lot of Muslims consider the attacks are somewhat justified.

Hande hoche!

Palmach wrote: »

What is noteworthy is that in western countries following such attacks there has been little or no backlash.

Yeah there were fears of a backlash in both Canada and Australia last year.

Autonomous Cowherd

Satire is a fundamental political freedom. The best action Islamic fundamentalists could take to avenge their outrage at blasphemous portrayals of the prophet (and it is arguable that they may have a point in being insulted, although it is equally arguable that the freedom to criticise all religions must be enshrined), would be to mercilessly rip the piss out of the religion of the fundamentalist christians who send drones to their countries and fight 'freedom' wars on their soil (to secure access to resources.)
Rest in Peace Cabu, Charb, Wolinski and Tignous, satirists who chose to die on their feet for freedom of expression and brave men all, and the rest of the deceased. It is a sad day.

Bootros Bootros

Noblong wrote: »

It's a law in Islam. No images of the prophet whatsoever.

Ah. That explains it. Fair enough.

Lovely Bloke

Noblong wrote: »

It's a law in Islam. No images of the prophet whatsoever.

so?

it's also in the bible not to take the name of the lord in vain, but jesus h christ, I'm not getting massacred by nuns for posting that.

Deenie123

Noblong wrote: »

It's a law in Islam. No images of the prophet whatsoever.

Then live in Saudi if you want to live somewhere governed according to the laws of Islam. Here in the free world, we have - among other freedoms - freedom of speech. Those same freedoms that allow them to practice their religion.

Can anyone translate or give context to the cartoon that had been published? Direct translation seems to be losing the message

Amazingfun

This radio interview with "Dr." Ali Selim and Niall Boylan is really something else :



https://soundcloud.com/bloodboylan/dr-ali-selim-on-classic-hits-4fm

efb

Noblong wrote: »

It's a law in Islam. No images of the prophet whatsoever.

It's the law in Ireland too- stupid blasphemy law v😒

pmasterson95

Bootros Bootros wrote: »

Ah. That explains it. Fair enough.

Doesnt explain why some people can justify this as reason for what the do

Smiles35

Hitchens wrote: »

so it's ok then to massacre cartoonists?

No. It's against another law.

Francie Barrett

Islamic extremists - a great bunch of lads.

pmasterson95

Amazingfun wrote: »

This radio interview with "Dr." Ali Selim and Niall Boylan is really something else :



https://soundcloud.com/bloodboylan/dr-ali-selim-on-classic-hits-4fm

Hes a special one.

Deenie123

Is there a transcript of the interview?

Paul_Hacket

Virgil° wrote: »

Is it possible do you think that the thread continue under the precedence that

a) Muslims are not a race.

b) Islam is not another word for "Muslims".

I doubt its possible but i'd love to see it attempted.

Great. By all means go ahead on those precepts. Do we also then get to vilify Jews since they are not a race? Because I'm pretty sure that's what you're revving up for here.

Clandestine

Weathercheck wrote: »

Europe is near a tipping point, soon we could have the likes of Sinn Fein, UKIP and the National Front leading governments. We are at a dangerous point in history.

Comparing Sinn Fein and UKIP to the National Front is not fair.

Son Of A Vidic

Murder in the name of religion is an age old industry. And no one religion owns the patent on it. The key is to have the cop on and intelligence to see the bigger picture and not label all accordingly.

pmasterson95

Jesus just saw on the news how they walked up to the injured policeman to kill him. In the old thread I dont know how people could defend these monsters. Injured and not shooting them writhing in pain. I thought they were targeting those who drew Muhamed. Apparently anyone would do. Disgusting.

Peist2007

Noblong wrote: »

It's a law in Islam. No images of the prophet whatsoever.

By that logic the head of the FAI, John Delaney, could have turned up in Monaghan and massacred the chairman, manager, players etc when they went bust and broke some of the laws in Irish football. As far as i am aware the rules on solvency are quite clear.

Laws in Islam are about as enforceable here as laws in quidditch