Fianna (Fine) Gail/Fall Are Exactly The Same

dasdog

Reason for the post is a friends rent in a SCD apt block sold off from NAMA to Canadian investors has gone up by 60%. She's a mad German getting on in age, works really hard and I joked yesterday with her about who would make the better caravan dweller.

My rant is based on the tactics being continued in the most unrepublic of republics and the civil service rooted in a 19th century British military structure of officers/corporals, whoring a countries position to facilitate tax avoidance and property speculation.

I'm the most devout of capitalists (no free healthcare type) but I will be looking to the extreme left when voting next comes around.

Sorry about the rant, fvking got to me today.

The Backwards Man

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

yipeeeee

Cool story.

Breffnigolfer

Cool story, indeed, and nothing to do with either Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael.

pmasterson95

Ryan Giggs was the most decorated left winger in the EPL

conditioned games

Give it a rest. If you don't like a party then vote for someone else.

Saipanne

dasdog

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Cool story, indeed, and nothing to do with either Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael.

Point being the mainstream faffing about the place isn't working

Soups123

dasdog wrote: »

Reason for the post is a friends rent in a SCD apt block sold off from NAMA to Canadian investors has gone up by 60%. She's a mad German getting on in age, works really hard and I joked yesterday with her about who would make the better caravan dweller.

My rant is based on the tactics being continued in the most unrepublic of republics and the civil service rooted in a 19th century British military structure of officers/corporals, whoring a countries position to facilitate tax avoidance and property speculation.

I'm the most devout of capitalists (no free healthcare type) but I will be looking to the extreme left when voting next comes around.

Sorry about the rant, fvking got to me today.

My brain seriously can't translate this to understand what the hell its all about

maxwell smart

dasdog wrote: »

Reason for the post is a friends rent in a SCD apt block sold off from NAMA to Canadian investors has gone up by 60%. She's a mad German getting on in age, works really hard and I joked yesterday with her about who would make the better caravan dweller.

My rant is based on the tactics being continued in the most unrepublic of republics and the civil service rooted in a 19th century British military structure of officers/corporals, whoring a countries position to facilitate tax avoidance and property speculation.

I'm the most devout of capitalists (no free healthcare type) but I will be looking to the extreme left when voting next comes around.

Sorry about the rant, fvking got to me today.

So what was the answer to this anyway?

Kermit.de.frog

dasdog wrote: »

whoring a countries position to facilitate tax avoidance and property speculation.

This is the rubbish we do hear from the left. It's just not true.

People want to believe it in their own heads to confirm their own prejudices against anyone with more money than them.

In layman's terms - begrudgery.

The ire for property developers is the best example. On the one hand people want them punished (for what no one knows) and on the other there are not enough houses because we need developers to build them.

Go figure.

On the tax side we can be as moral as we like but a) we are effectively under attack from other countries who want to take our lunch and b) the 100,000's of jobs that rely on multinationals is probably a price worth paying for avoiding total destitution as a country.

pablo128

While the thread title is a bit misleading, I agree with the tone of the post. I thought the state was supposed to look after its citizens, not sell a load of apartments to foreign investors in the middle of a housing crisis. All that rent is now flowing out of the country. Well done Nama.

dasdog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is the rubbish we do hear from the left. It's just not true.

People want to believe it in their own heads to confirm their own prejudices against anyone with more money than them.

In layman's terms - begrudgery.

The ire for property developers is the best example. On the one hand people want them punished (for what no one knows) and on the other there are not enough houses because we need developers to build them.

Go figure.

Its not a free market Kermit, I made over 3 grand during Christmas week
speculating on commodities and foreign exchange. As far right fiscally as you'll meet. Its about calling a country a republic when its not.

Grayson

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is the rubbish we do hear from the left. It's just not true.

People want to believe it in their own heads to confirm their own prejudices against anyone with more money than them.

In layman's terms - begrudgery.

The ire for property developers is the best example. On the one hand people want them punished (for what no one knows) and on the other there are not enough houses because we need developers to build them.

Go figure.

On the tax side we can be as moral as we like but a) we are effectively under attack from other countries who want to take our lunch and b) the 100,000's of jobs that rely on multinationals is probably a price worth paying.

I dislike some property developers. Mainly the ones who have massive debts to banks we bailed out and refuse to cough up the dough.

The rest I'm not fond off, but in the same way I dislike politicians. It's just a general prejudice I tend to hold. Considering I know feck all developers, or politicians, it's not really doing me, or anyone else much harm.

Kermit.de.frog

pablo128 wrote: »

While the thread title is a bit misleading, I agree with the tone of the post. I thought the state was supposed to look after its citizens, not sell a load of apartments to foreign investors in the middle of a housing crisis. All that rent is now flowing out of the country. Well done Nama.

Who else was going to buy them? Tell us.

People say this and that but they are not dealing with reality. In 2010 this country was an absolute basketcase. You need big resources to risk investing in a broken economy on the chance things may lift.

The Irish developers were smashed.

NAMA were right to sell to the highest bidders. It's them same investment companies that are now queuing with planning applications.

NO Irish investors to my knowledge are in any position to do that atm.

kerryguy78

its a day for ranting isn't it, my rant is the 900euro tax i paid before xmas to pay for the lazy sods we have on the dole

To Elland Back

There are only 2 political parties who contest the presidential election in the USA, which is the biggest democracy in the world. However, they call crisps "chips", so their system doesn't work either

pablo128

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Who else was going to buy them? Tell us.

People say this and that but they are not dealing with reality. In 2010 this country was an absolute basketcase. You need big resources to risk investing in a broken economy on the chance things may lift.

The Irish developers were smashed.

NAMA were right to sell to the highest bidders. It's them same investment companies that are now queuing with planning applications.

NO Irish investors to my knowledge are in any position to do that atm.

There are reported queues of 50 to 60 people looking to view properties, rising prices, bidding wars etc. There doesn't appear to be any shortage of buyers.

yipeeeee

Grayson wrote: »

I dislike some property developers. Mainly the ones who have massive debts to banks we bailed out and refuse to cough up the dough.

The rest I'm not fond off, but in the same way I dislike politicians. It's just a general prejudice I tend to hold. Considering I know feck all developers, or politicians, it's not really doing me, or anyone else much harm.

let's not forget the thousands of people who took out massive debts and can't pay them back too:)

Sir Osis of Liver.

Got any pics of your neighbour?

daUbiq

The same idiots vote for both parties. We are a country of sheeple...

yipeeeee

daUbiq wrote: »

The same idiots vote for both parties. We are a country of sheeple...

Oh no you didn't.

Kermit.de.frog

pablo128 wrote: »

There are reported queues of 50 to 60 people looking to view properties, rising prices, bidding wars etc. There doesn't appear to be any shortage of buyers.

Takes time to go through the planning process in this country.

Also pisses a lot of developers off the number of rules that councils have put down regarding height and scale.

Look at Dublin's docklands. If the council stopped preventing more than 4 storey shoe boxes being put up 1,000's upon 1,000's of apartments could be delivered there.

The state apparatus like the councils are even more responsible for the housing shortage than anyone else.

MrJones1973

You are right-FG bankrupted nation twice. It was FG who supervised the banks pre 2008. Oh hang on a second they did none of these things. Dont get me wrong -I wont be voting for any party in this Government but to say they are the same as FF is pure drivel.

pablo128

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Takes time to go through the planning process in this country.

Also pisses a lot of developers off the number of rules that councils have put down regarding height and scale.

Look at Dublin's docklands. If the council stopped preventing more than 4 storey shoe boxes being put up 1,000's upon 1,000's of apartments could be delivered there.

The state apparatus like the councils are even more responsible for the housing shortage than anyone else.

???

daUbiq

To Elland Back wrote: »

There are only 2 political parties who contest the presidential election in the USA, which is the biggest democracy in the world. However, they call crisps "chips", so their system doesn't work either

Democracy? The yank warmongers have no idea what democracy is. America is a plutocratic idiocrocy! Idiots vote for rich idiots. Lobbying rules the day and gets the corporations what they want - that's not democracy.

kerryguy78

FF should never again be left near power they are muppets

Macavity.

I believe I can see the future
'Cause I repeat the same routine
I think I used to have a purpose
But then again, that might have been a dream

I think I used to have a voice
Now I never make a sound
I just do what I've been told
I really don't want them to come around, oh no

Fianna Gael/Fail are exactly the same
Fianna Gael/Fail are exactly the same
There is no love here and there is no pain
Fianna Gael/Fail are exactly the same

I can feel their eyes are watching
In case I lose myself again
Sometimes I think I'm happy here
(Sometimes)
Sometimes, yet I still pretend

I can't remember how this got started
Oh, but I can tell you exactly how it will end

Fianna Gael/Fail are exactly the same
Fianna Gael/Fail are exactly the same
There is no love here and there is no pain
Fianna Gael/Fail are exactly the same

Kermit.de.frog

pablo128 wrote: »

???

I'm pointing out the connection between restrictive planning rules and the number of houses being provided.

Only a couple of months a go in Dublin city center a new apartment block was shot down because it was "over scaled" - when in fact to any reasonable person it clearly wasn't.

They do this on the pretense of protecting our derelict Georgian city - what it actually does is stop much needed housing being built. Hence more queues and more price rises.

Agent Smith

Sinead o'Connor will sort it all out.

dasdog

Global Tax Evasion. I'll expose it as part of my NY promises.

Buona Fortuna

Dunno

Just wanted to post on this before its moved for old times sake.

2014 you were a bit sh1t at times :P

catallus

To Elland Back wrote: »

There are only 2 political parties who contest the presidential election in the USA, which is the biggest democracy in the world. However, they call crisps "chips", so their system doesn't work either

Is India not the world's largest democracy?

Robroy36

dasdog wrote: »

Reason for the post is a friends rent in a SCD apt block sold off from NAMA to Canadian investors has gone up by 60%. She's a mad German getting on in age, works really hard and I joked yesterday with her about who would make the better caravan dweller.

My rant is based on the tactics being continued in the most unrepublic of republics and the civil service rooted in a 19th century British military structure of officers/corporals, whoring a countries position to facilitate tax avoidance and property speculation.

I'm the most devout of capitalists (no free healthcare type) but I will be looking to the extreme left when voting next comes around.

Sorry about the rant, fvking got to me today.

If her rent is that far above the market value now then she will be able to move elsewhere an maintain her current outgoings.

I know the Canadian firm you are talking about, they are not idiots by any stretch of the imagination. She must have been getting a real deal on her rent when NAMA owned the place if it has suddenly gone up by 60%.

pragmatic1

Not really. I have no time for either party, but fianna fail are one of the worst things to have happened to Ireland.

If they had any decency they would have disbanded after the last general election. Just the lowest of the low.

DeJa VooDoo

dasdog wrote: »

Reason for the post is a friends rent in a SCD apt block sold off from NAMA to Canadian investors has gone up by 60%. She's a mad German getting on in age, works really hard and I joked yesterday with her about who would make the better caravan dweller.

My rant is based on the tactics being continued in the most unrepublic of republics and the civil service rooted in a 19th century British military structure of officers/corporals, whoring a countries position to facilitate tax avoidance and property speculation.

I'm the most devout of capitalists (no free healthcare type) but I will be looking to the extreme left when voting next comes around.

Sorry about the rant, fvking got to me today.

There's no difference between FF and FG.
Same cronyism and corruption.
Same inability to run a country in a proper manner.

marienbad

DeJa VooDoo wrote: »

There's no difference between FF and FG.
Same cronyism and corruption.
Same inability to run a country in a proper manner.

Well at least FG never ran the country into the ground . They may not be the greatest the they are way better than FF.

DeJa VooDoo

marienbad wrote: »

Well at least FG never ran the country into the ground . They may not be the greatest the they are way better than FF.

FG just stood on the sidelines 'cribbing and moaning' that FF weren't making the so called good times boomier than they were.........

BoJack Horseman

DeJa VooDoo wrote: »

FG just stood on the sidelines 'cribbing and moaning' that FF weren't making the so called good times boomier than they were.........

Don't fret...

Just 16 short months & no more FF/FG/LAB.

DeJa VooDoo

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Don't fret...

Just 16 short months & no more FF/FG/LAB.

With any luck!
I doubt it though, it's rinse and repeat for the thick paddy's.
We get what we deserve.

tayto lover

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

You are right-FG bankrupted nation twice. It was FG who supervised the banks pre 2008. Oh hang on a second they did none of these things. Dont get me wrong -I wont be voting for any party in this Government but to say they are the same as FF is pure drivel.

They were in opposition.
They were supposed to point out the Government's faults not complain that they weren't giving away enough in the budgets.
They were supposed to be watching like a good guard dog.
They failed on all counts just like FF did.

Phoebas

DeJa VooDoo wrote: »

With any luck!
I doubt it though, it's rinse and repeat for the thick paddy's.
We get what we deserve.

Thick paddy's what?

Ironic post.

DeJa VooDoo

Phoebas wrote: »

Thick paddy's what?

Ironic post.

A typo is the best you can do?

Roger Hassenforder

DeJa VooDoo wrote: »

A typo is the best you can do?

It's gratuitous apostrophe abuse.

tayto lover

So we're left with political parties than very few trust.

FF - out for many.
FG/Lab -- out for many.
SF -- out for many.
Ind -- too scattered and a few very dodgy ones too.

Not much choice there.
Much as it pains me I can see FG getting back in.

Roger Hassenforder

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm pointing out the connection between restrictive planning rules and the number of houses being provided.

Only a couple of months a go in Dublin city center a new apartment block was shot down because it was "over scaled" - when in fact to any reasonable person it clearly wasn't.

They do this on the pretense of protecting our derelict Georgian city - what it actually does is stop much needed housing being built. Hence more queues and more price rises.

Would you prefer developers were given carte blanche to do what they like, just as long as more houses were built?

Weak as planning and development control is, can you imagine what the place would be like without it? It's needs reform clearly though.

Baggy Trousers

It's true that FG and FF are as self serving and corrupt as each other but maybe we needed FG in government again to prove it. The nest building done by FG and Labour in recent years has been astounding. But that's how it works in our political system.

I have always voted FG in the past but I will not vote for them again.

Roger Hassenforder

tayto lover wrote: »

So we're left with political parties than very few trust.

FF - out for many.
FG/Lab -- out for many.
SF -- out for many.
Ind -- too scattered and a few very dodgy ones too.

Not much choice there.
Much as it pains me I can see FG getting back in.

I think so too.
FF too toxic hopefully
SF although I voted for them in the local community elections, I wouldn't trust them to run a cafe
LAB will go the way of the Dl, PDs,
Ind bunch of parish pump politicians, wouldn't last a fortnight

Much as I despise their arrogance, hypocrisy, cronyism, are they the best of a very poor lot. Wouldn't mind if the greens cobbled together something to consider.

Baggy Trousers

tayto lover wrote: »

They were in opposition.
They were supposed to point out the Government's faults not complain that they weren't giving away enough in the budgets.
They were supposed to be watching like a good guard dog.
They failed on all counts just like FF did.

Exactly right. People forget this.

I remember one of FF's giveaway budgets during the boom - it really was generous (the year every child got 1000 extra on top of the child benefit). I wondered how the opposition would respond. Then Bruton stood up and said they hadn't gone far enough. Nuts.

Baggy Trousers

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I think so too.
FF too toxic hopefully
SF although I voted for them in the local community elections, I wouldn't trust them to run a cafe
LAB will go the way of the Dl, PDs,
Ind bunch of parish pump politicians, wouldn't last a fortnight

Much as I despise their arrogance, hypocrisy, cronyism, are they the best of a very poor lot. Wouldn't mind if the greens cobbled together something to consider.

They are all parish pump and to be fair, the Independents have done more good than any other group of TDs in the Dáil.

MrJones1973

tayto lover wrote: »

They were in opposition.
They were supposed to point out the Government's faults not complain that they weren't giving away enough in the budgets.
They were supposed to be watching like a good guard dog.
They failed on all counts just like FF did.

A bit simplistic and ignorant (of events)
FG opposed Benchmarking
FG opposed the return of property investment tax incentives-if you recall FF abolished them around the late 1990s-rents went up as investors left the market
Its True FG called for more expenditure in various areas but given that the Irish Electorate in its wisdom decided to return Bertie in 2002 and give FG 33 seats -can you imagine how popular they would be if they advocated less?

FG advocated more regulation of the Banks-it was ignored
Look FG at heart are tight bastards. They have a few bean counters and are miserable feckers but thats exactly what we need.
Everyone wants better services-nobody wants to pay for them. Mark my words SF or various Inpendents wont get any deal on bank debt.

But the essential conundrum remains for Irish People-do we stop thinking of housing as assets or as a basic necessity- do we regulate the market properly. The Central bank has the right idea-slap 20% deposits-cool the market-then housing becomes more affordable long term. Pass aws regulating Rents -up and downwards. ie I didnt hear calls for rent controls when market collapsed 6 years ago so set minimum and maximum levels.