Boy Racers making life hell...?

Daaryl

What's your opinions on this? If anybody does not know what toughers is, It's a place where car enthusiasts go every month to do some donuts at the back of a restaurant in carlow, I was under the illusion the property owner granted permission for the meeting point on his land considering I was in the establishment on a "cruise" night and had a very warm welcome from the staff. Surely if it was that much of a hindrance and had been an ongoing issue the owner of said property would employ the use of gates. The gaurds do come in but they don't say anything to anybody at all, So it's under the feeling that they don't care once people don't go out on the road.. That's what they said to my friend anyway.. I don't see how people doing donuts in a big wide car park is hurting the world at the end of the day, And there's alot worse and more important things to be worrying about at the end of the day instead of a few lads and girls doing donuts in a car park outside carlow town..

rubin_spitfire

If the spokesperson for the restaurant is speaking the truth; these people are scumbags.

challengemaster

The noise carries for miles.

I'm all in favour of people taking an open-arms approach to providing areas for people interested in drifting/diffing to do what they may. But a bit of common sense wouldn't go astray either.

2.30am isn't the time to be providing a place for people to go diffing.

Kintarō Hattori

Daaryl wrote: »

.....I don't see how people doing donuts in a big wide car park is hurting the world at the end of the day....

If they're doing this as late at night as the article suggests then were I living in the area I'd be rightfully pee'd off. Noise travels at night and a hard reeving engine and tyre squeals are a really irritating noise when you/your family are trying to get some kip.

CianRyan

Driving at speed, revving their engines, spinning donuts.
They need to get themselves some girlfriends...

Is this a snippet from the Waterford Whisper?

Daaryl

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

If they're doing this as late at night as the article suggests then were I living in the area I'd be rightfully pee'd off. Noise travels at night and a hard reeving engine and tyre squeals are a really irritating noise when you/your family are trying to get some kip.

Yeah i understand that, But people don't have the money to go to mondello and racetracks so they turn to the next solution and that's do it in car parks some people turn to backroads and you get the other eijits who do it on main roads and others who do roundabouts..

Damien360

Haven't seen boy racers drifting since the end of the boom here. Recession must be over.

When we did have them doing donuts years ago, you were wasting your time calling the guards. Until someone dies, they don't want to know. Unsocial behaviour is not on their radar.

Special Circumstances

CianRyan wrote: »

Driving at speed, revving their engines, spinning donuts.
They need to get themselves some girlfriends...

Is this a snippet from the Waterford Whisper?

Any mention of wheelies? Love it when journos use wheelies and modified cars in the same sentence.

Daaryl

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Any mention of wheelies? Love it when journos use wheelies and modified cars in the same sentence.

Don't forget the screeching brakes :pac:

CianRyan

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Any mention of wheelies? Love it when journos use wheelies and modified cars in the same sentence.

I wouldn't even call this lad a journalist.
Bottom of the barrel stuff really, completely disregard it.

Sclosages

Daaryl wrote: »

Yeah i understand that, But people don't have the money to go to mondello and racetracks so they turn to the next solution and that's do it in car parks some people turn to backroads and you get the other eijits who do it on main roads and others who do roundabouts..

I know what you mean.

I feel like murdering a lot of people but I'm finding I'm having to go on backroads. And things like that.

eviltwin

Had it in my area for a few weeks during the summer and getting a decent nights sleep was impossible. For that alone I'd string up the fcukers.

chocksaway

Id say the issue here is the liability in case something happens.

Who's going to be pursued for damages if there is an accident? The owner, the management of the restaurant or the lads driving round. Could end up coming back on the occupiers public liability for providing an opportunity for the cruises and somewhat enabling it.

challengemaster

CianRyan wrote: »

I wouldn't even call this lad a journalist.
Bottom of the barrel stuff really, completely disregard it.

This is where people interested in the scene do themselves no favours. Disregarding actual genuine complaints because it doesn't agree with their stance. The journalism may not be the best in the world but it is making a point - If you're being given a place to go and mess - don't do it at 2.30am when people in earshot are trying to sleep.

clairek6

I live near a motorway and every friday saturday night we have them here going around roundabouts then down the motor way and back again all at 12/1 at night. Some pain!

Jesus.

CianRyan wrote: »

I wouldn't even call this lad a journalist.
Bottom of the barrel stuff really, completely disregard it.

The article says the bloke is from Palestine

Damien360

Jesus. wrote: »

The article says the bloke is from Palestine

You need glasses

puddinboxxx

Bastards..they should be off binge drinking and doin drugs like everyone else there age.....

dmc17

If I was trying to run a business and had people coming in doing this in my car park to the annoyance of my customers, I would be inclined to put down a few tyre shredders to start with.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Young hooligans.
The man's only trying to run a fair business like.

Wonder why he was being picked on?

slimjimmc

Jesus. wrote: »

The article says the bloke is from Palestine

Well Jerusalem is only a few miles away across the border.

The restaurant was a popular truck stop/refuelling station and you can still find trucks parked up there overnight. It's probably not feasible to install a gate and even if it was, the size of the entrance would make it an expensive option.

dgt

Snigger

Put up a f*ckin gate

CianRyan

challengemaster wrote: »

This is where people interested in the scene do themselves no favours. Disregarding actual genuine complaints because it doesn't agree with their stance. The journalism may not be the best in the world but it is making a point - If you're being given a place to go and mess - don't do it at 2.30am when people in earshot are trying to sleep.

Well as you know, I'm from nowhere near the place so I'm certainly not a part of that scene. I've never been there.

I can take serious complaints on board all day long but the "journalist" and the supposed interviewee both come across is fuxking eejits so it's hard to take either seriously or even believe half the ****e that's written.
Because a tabloid has never made up a story for the sake of drama and sales...

challengemaster

CianRyan wrote: »

Well as you know, I'm from nowhere near the place so I'm certainly not a part of that scene.

You're interested in RWD car shenanigans. That's what I meant. Seems everyone else understood that too.

CianRyan

challengemaster wrote: »

You're interested in RWD car shenanigans. That's what I meant. Seems everyone else understood that too.

Haha, I own a RWD car and do plan on bringing it to drift days in Mondello, that much is true.

I can count on two fingers the amount of times I've made a car go around in a circle and both times were very isolated farm/bog land and not in the middle of the night.
I think you have a bit of a skewed view of who I am and what I do in my spare time.

Supergurrier

Will eventually come back and bite the business owner on the arse when an accident happens.

Time and a place and all that.

Noccy_Mondy

There's lots of drifting clubs around and I don't mind lads taking part in all that craic in a controlled environment, at a decent hour. For example Knock has a drifting society, near the airport, but in the middle of the night, you get crowds of lads on public roads around the airport jig acting. Brings a bad name to the club, as it's thought of as being their fault. Quite funny actually, there's a quiet road that runs parallel along with the runway for the 2km or so. I've seen some lads trying to race planes as they take off, at over 170km/h..... (The planes that is, the cars wouldn't get a chance to build up to that in time!)

slimjimmc

CianRyan wrote: »

Well as you know, I'm from nowhere near the place so I'm certainly not a part of that scene. I've never been there.

I can take serious complaints on board all day long but the "journalist" and the supposed interviewee both come across is fuxking eejits so it's hard to take either seriously or even believe half the ****e that's written.
Because a tabloid has never made up a story for the sake of drama and sales...

While "a living hell" certainly seems hyperbolic the night-time antics has been going on for a number of years. Palatine is only 1km away (as the crow flies) across flat land with only a few low hedges in the way so it's entirely credible the sound could be heard clearly there in the dead of night.
Sound can travel much further in the colder night air especially if you're downwind.

rubin_spitfire

And obviously these people know exactly the effects of what they are doing.

Tail Docker

rubin_spitfire wrote: »

If the spokesperson for the restaurant is speaking the truth; these people are scumbags.

Lol. They must have destroyed the car-park in Newbridge too...

barney 20v

http://www.mondello.ie/track_days/car_track_days/
40 min away???
Affordable and enjoyable ,

MortGoldman

I live nearby. I know several people that head out to these. While there are a few RWD cars, most are just felt spec VWs and the like.

I meet them sometimes looking for a race on the way back into town (I work late). My car could be associated with them, so I tend to try peeling off if I ever find myself near them.

The journalist who wrote this is quite a respected local female journalist, not sure where the impression she is male has come from?

Cabaal

MortGoldman wrote: »

not sure where the impression she is male has come from?

I'm guessing some people can't read to even a primary school standard, after all her name is on the article

ironclaw

Should do what they do in the States, there's only one way in and out, so you park some Gardai across the entrance and every single time they come to arrive and when they leave at a late hour, you inspect and search every single car. It eventually becomes such a nuisance for them that they don't bother and the cops get some brownie points for issuing fines and lifting cars. That, and the owner could install some carefully positioned ramps.

Again, no issue with them at a time and place, but as has been said 2.30am in a public area, no.

slimjimmc

ironclaw wrote: »

Should do what they do in the States, there's only one way in and out, so you park some Gardai across the entrance and every single time they come to arrive and when they leave at a late hour, you inspect and search every single car. It eventually becomes such a nuisance for them that they don't bother and the cops get some brownie points for issuing fines and lifting cars. That, and the owner could install some carefully positioned ramps.

Again, no issue with them at a time and place, but as has been said 2.30am in a public area, no.

Difference being that in the US they tend to have cops galore to throw into any situation. Over here at 2:30am on a Saturday night any available Gardaí would be tied up dealing with the fallout from pubs and clubs.

Drummerboy08

Mondello are doing €99 track days at the minute.

If you can afford the fuel to be driving around aimlessly at 2.30am on a Saturday night, I'm sure you can find the few quid to bring the car to a track day.

CianRyan

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Mondello are doing €99 track days at the minute.

If you can afford the fuel to be driving around aimlessly at 2.30am on a Saturday night, I'm sure you can find the few quid to bring the car to a track day.

An extra €100 cam be hand enough to find these days, I know that's what stopping me doing track days.
There's also the expense of a helmet, God knows they're not cheap and if they are, they're not worth having.

I'm all for drift days, as I said earlier but you have to consider, most of these are young lads with not much money so it's fairly expensive to them.

Jesus.

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

I've seen some lads trying to race planes as they take off, at over 170km/h..... (The planes that is, the cars wouldn't get a chance to build up to that in time!)

I remember them doing that at the back of Dublin Airport too so they put up a wooden fence all along the road so you couldn't see the planes!

Drummerboy08

But if they can afford to throw a score of petrol into a car every few nights to drive around aimlessly, the can afford a track day.

Stop the silly driving nowhere at 2am, put 20 quid a week into a pot for a few weeks before the track day and bang. Its paid for.

A second hand helmet can be bought on Donedeal for less than €100 and are ideal for trackdays.

Quazzie

Daaryl wrote: »

Yeah i understand that, But people don't have the money to go to mondello and racetracks so they turn to the next solution and that's do it in car parks some people turn to backroads and you get the other eijits who do it on main roads and others who do roundabouts..

Bullshít. If they have money to pump thousands into the cars they can afford a couple of hundred quid a month to go to a track.

endacl

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Mondello are doing €99 track days at the minute.

If you can afford the fuel to be driving around aimlessly at 2.30am on a Saturday night, I'm sure you can find the few quid to bring the car to a track day.

Mondello have rules though. Where's the fun in that?

:rolleyes:

CianRyan

AFAIK, it's not a weekly thing and they're usually beat up 318is's, so cheapest of the cheap.

I dare say a lot are probably on provisional too...

Fiona

I just don't get the attraction of driving around a cone meself, wouldn't be my cup of tea would rather do a trackday (if I had a wrecker) or watch a round of IDC.

ironclaw

slimjimmc wrote: »

Difference being that in the US they tend to have cops galore to throw into any situation. Over here at 2:30am on a Saturday night any available Gardaí would be tied up dealing with the fallout from pubs and clubs.

Not really. Having been on the rallies over there, I'd often be in chats with the locals and even with us, they'd be stretched. So no, America isn't flushed with cops for this type of thing. The difference is, they are proactive.

Sure, Traffic Corp were here, on what would be a fairly quiet section at that time of morning, at 6.30am so I don't really see the issue in staffing:

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/546976965509799936

And I'm not talking the cavalry, just one car would make a difference as if anything its a visible presence. The major issue here is you can get away with it as lets face, 9/10 no one comes when you call.

JBokeh

Used be into that craic when I was younger,sliding around the Vee and whatnot,bit dumb looking back on it,but I don't regret it,I'd say the most we ever disturbed was a couple doing a park and ride in the gate further down the road

The trick was to not be parked up in large groups,don't head out in large groups,and be sensible enough where you did it. If you get caught at it you're probably heading out in a big group,acting the sack the whole way to your spot,and staying there for hours on end making a racket. We would usually be in a group of 2 or 3 being sensible enough,and then slide a few corners of our choosing and then be on our way,and maybe do a few roundabouts on our way home,no sitting around watching some lad burning the back tyres off his twin cam.

Grown out of it now,but always laugh when lads say they're being picked on by the guards,if you're going to be out messing don't do it where you'll be disturbing people,it'a a sure fire way of becoming a "known assailant".

There is a young lad with a non turbo s14 near me likes to do a few buns and wheelies about 800m from my house,I can hear it,but it doesn't upset me,though I'd say if it were a frequent occurrence with a group of lads i'd probably be sour enough

Henry Ford III

CianRyan wrote: »

AFAIK, it's not a weekly thing and they're usually beat up 318is's, so cheapest of the cheap.

I dare say a lot are probably on provisional too...

No excuse not to pay for your motorsport fun though is it?

iano.p

I only live a mile away. They are pretty harmless in fairness the restaurant and bar does be closed so there wouldn't be any customer there when it's happening. There does be trucks parked up but I never seen an damage done out there.

CianRyan

Henry Ford III wrote: »

No excuse not to pay for your motorsport fun though is it?

Did I say it was?
It's the reason.

It's the cheapest way of doing it safely, saying they should be on a track won't change the fact that they probably can't afford the track.

Henry Ford III

CianRyan wrote: »

...It's the cheapest way of doing it safely, saying they should be on a track won't change the fact that they probably can't afford the track.

Then they shouldn't piss people off with acting the fool illegally elsewhere.

barney 20v

Most of these guys and girls are working and can afford to have a car on the road / pay huge insurance for the privilege .
€99 is nothing to these guys,
Saying that most can't afford it doesn't wash with me tbh.

It's a cultural thing.
Mondello isn't "cool" and that's the reason they won't go .


Do 1 track day every 3 months = €396 per Anum .
How much are 2 back tires for a 17"/ 18" wheel???
They literally have money to burn!

The cops should go out in force some night and lift ANY car not road legal or caught dangerous driving.
Transport fees + storage fees would be more than a track day !
That'd soften their cough fairly quickly.

YbFocus

In fairness when we do a mondello day it adds up to be €350. That's your petro,l tyres etc all in.

They could save that easy enough in fairness.

That said, when i was younger i was a right cnut too. But in the right places that i knew there wasn't anyone for miles. The mountains.