Stylish springer spaniel

fiestaman

Well springer men, what do you see in a spaniel that make you say they have style or are a stylish dog?

rebok classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvKZDaPmJOk

fiestaman

rebok classic wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvKZDaPmJOk

A trialling dog bouncing through cover?? A lot of springer men on here lately & 39 views on this thread and not one opinion yet.

Tikka391

fiestaman wrote: »

Well springer men, what do you see in a spaniel that make you say they have style or are a stylish dog?

That seems a fairly loaded question, what you getting at

rebok classic

what do you think it is fiestaman ,, a trial dog jumping through cover ,, she looks good hunting body is low head down great speed taking in good ground lovely flow and movement nice pattern not plodding around poking her head in here and there not a plank or a straight line merchant

Brianmeath

rebok classic wrote: »

what do you think it is fiestaman ,, a trial dog jumping through cover ,, she looks good hunting body is low head down great speed taking in good ground lovely flow and movement nice pattern not plodding around poking her head in here and there not a plank or a straight line merchant

This is the result of proper training!

rebok classic

compared to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kk_hWEkDo8

Tikka391

Might up set the purists here.
I don't do any trailing what so ever just hunting. After the family everything is hunting all year round and all that goes with that at different times of the year. So I take it fairly serious if you know what I mean. I have three springers now but I don't care if a dog is crossed more times than a ball in a soccer match if he hunts well can is a good retriever especially on runners I don't care what sort of dog it is and how pretty or ugly it is. I've had them all they hunt well for me and they are looked after like royalty.
Sorry rebok

Brianmeath

rebok classic wrote: »

compared to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kk_hWEkDo8

What you compering?

rebok classic

comparing to just your average rough shooting dog the little bitch displayed a lot more style

Stonehall9

Fellas gone mad on springers treads here lately but my dog is from a well taught of line but wouldn't be anyway near as stylish as his brothers and sisters or cousins for that matter but he never passes a bird , has never failed on a retrieve and he did about 41/2 hours hunting last day out, go to the kennels next mornin and he would be ready to do it all again. Couldn't ask for more than that .what more should they do???

tikkahunter

rebok classic wrote: »

compared to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kk_hWEkDo8

This is the way my dogs work , up on the ditch only go in when they need to ie .something there, no point having a dog ploughing at ditch out of it for no reason , The dog in the first video hunts well has a nice pattern but to keep that pace up is impossible , that dog would be ****ed before you had it out an hour, though saying that my cocker is very like that and can keep going all day.

Brianmeath

If you want a dog for rough shooting train it for rough shooting.
If you want a dog for field trials train it for field trails.
It was said on here earlier. Trials are set up. Plenty of game on the ground. I think lads are getting confused on here. The second video just posted is what we all encounter while rough shooting, we could walk for hours or days and meet nothing or get lucky. His dogs looked just fine to me for rough shooting, so what if you don't get the perfect delivery or a dog doesn't quarter walking along a straight ditch (which is probably why dogs won't go for more than a few hours) as long as they flush game within reach of the gun.

tikkahunter

Stonehall9 wrote: »

Fellas gone mad on springers treads here lately but my dog is from a well taught of line but wouldn't be anyway near as stylish as his brothers and sisters or cousins for that matter but he never passes a bird , has never failed on a retrieve and he did about 41/2 hours hunting last day out, go to the kennels next mornin and he would be ready to do it all again. Couldn't ask for more than that .what more should they do???

Noting more ,you just need the dog to do his /her job and your a happy man, a good indicator is you flush every bird you see than you are fairly confident you dont pass much , the best of dogs can pass a bird, some of the lads in our club the dog would nearly do hand stands in the field or would retrieve dummys all day long but they would be average enough, like when you do land they have just done unkown they have just done it a few hours before and you get birds off it.
Once your dog has good manners goes in when a bird is there and retrieves what you shoot then you dont need it to do anything else.

fiestaman

Wasn't getting at anything by asking the question, just a lot of lads I know are rating dogs by how stylish they were and was woundering what ye thought. As rebok posted the video that's what I thought was stylish too, low to the ground with pace and figure of 8's hunting pattern.

irish setter

If a dog has style it makes hard going ground look easy. That's how style is judged at trials

rebok classic

Tikka391 wrote: »

Might up set the purists here.
I don't do any trailing what so ever just hunting. After the family everything is hunting all year round and all that goes with that at different times of the year. So I take it fairly serious if you know what I mean. I have three springers now but I don't care if a dog is crossed more times than a ball in a soccer match if he hunts well can is a good retriever especially on runners I don't care what sort of dog it is and how pretty or ugly it is. I've had them all they hunt well for me and they are looked after like royalty.
Sorry rebok

fair play who cares once it gets the job done ,,why are you apologizing to me

dodderangler

What's it mean "a stylish springer"
Add on donedeal for springer. Very stylish?

rebok classic

very stylish

hathcock

dodderangler wrote: »

What's it mean "a stylish springer"
Add on donedeal for springer. Very stylish?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

tikkahunter

rebok classic wrote: »

very stylish

Hypster springer

Dawggone

fiestaman wrote: »

A trialling dog bouncing through cover?? A lot of springer men on here lately & 39 views on this thread and not one opinion yet.

What cover? I wouldn't call that cover. FFS!

Dawggone

rebok classic wrote: »

comparing to just your average rough shooting dog the little bitch displayed a lot more style

The dogs in the second vid actually have cover to hunt but prefer the open country.
I would not shoot over such shyte but the owner/handler is happy so away with him.
Style can be many different things to many different people but the basics are the basics.
I judge a dog on all the essentials..... drive, ability in cover, nose, mouth etc. and then style can be judged/ assessed.

Brianmeath

Dawggone wrote: »

The dogs in the second vid actually have cover to hunt but prefer the open country.
I would not shoot over such shyte but the owner/handler is happy so away with him.
Style can be many different things to many different people but the basics are the basics.
I judge a dog on all the essentials..... drive, ability in cover, nose, mouth etc. and then style can be judged/ assessed.

No point beating cover if there is nothing in it. Trust the dogs nose.

fiestaman

No dog will pick up a woodcock or pheasant sitting tight in deep cover with there nose, dog must go in regardless. If your dog is not going in you missing a lot of birds.

tikkahunter

fiestaman wrote: »

No dog will pick up a woodcock or pheasant sitting tight in deep cover with there nose, dog must go in regardless. If your dog is not going in you missing a lot of birds.

I wouldn't class that cover in the second video deep, the dogs should definitely wind anything in it by staying tight , his dogs are a little bit loose he could do with them tighter nipping in and out but there would be no need for them to go in at the start and not come out till the end would be just wasting energy

fiestaman

If a woodcock landed in there at 6am and never stirred or a cock came down from roost and picked in there and sat tight when he heard commotion a and scenting wasn't 100% then them dogs going down the outside wouldn't pick them up. Simple as that.

rebok classic

fiestaman wrote: »

If a woodcock landed in there at 6am and never stirred or a cock came down from roost and picked in there and sat tight when he heard commotion a and scenting wasn't 100% then them dogs going down the outside wouldn't pick them up. Simple as that.

thats why their dogs hunt from dawn til dusk because all they doin is running the outside of a hedge thats called walking your springer not hunting in bad weather when game is not moving about those dogs become ornamental and then its these same fellas saying my dog never passed a bird is there a brick wall around here anywhere

Dawggone

Brianmeath wrote: »

No point beating cover if there is nothing in it. Trust the dogs nose.

Sorry Brian but they are bred to do just that. Without hunting the cover how do you know there is nothing in it?

Trust the dogs nose....FFS!!

tikkahunter

fiestaman wrote: »

If a woodcock landed in there at 6am and never stirred or a cock came down from roost and picked in there and sat tight when he heard commotion a and scenting wasn't 100% then them dogs going down the outside wouldn't pick them up. Simple as that.

It's not as simple as that, you do train your dog's to use the wind don't you? It don't matter when a bird landed in any dog with a half decent nose will pick it up, that ditch is fairly light if your dog is trained right it and uses the wind itwill pick up a bird in that ditch no problem if it doesn't give it away as a pet

Dawggone

tikkahunter wrote: »

It's not as simple as that, you do train your dog's to use the wind don't you? It don't matter when a bird landed in any dog with a half decent nose will pick it up, that ditch is fairly light if your dog is trained right it and uses the wind itwill pick up a bird in that ditch no problem if it doesn't give it away as a pet

You are making the weakest excuses for the worst dogs.
If a dog is bred for a job why do people accept (and feed) a dog that doesn't do just that?
I never want to see a springer only hear it. If I want the dog out of cover I will call it out.


SPANIELS MUST HIT COVER.
Make all the usual excuses for the dogs that don't hit cover but they are not fit for purpose if they don't.
The real problem with spaniels is when you get one with good drive they lack stamina.