What's so great about Australia?

mad muffin

gozunda wrote: »

It is my understanding that ill treatment and legislation passed against aboriginal peoples was instigated from the highest levels of government soon after colonisation. Constabulary and military personal were variously use to enforce these laws and ordinances.

Tbh the makeup of the original population and the reported anti-irish sentiment in Australia today is very strange imo. Paddy bashing definitely appears to part of the national psyche ...

They make it so easy.

With their chronic alcoholism

Their silly accents

Their lack of swimming skills

They're afraid of everything, including working and showering

What's not to bash?


Australia would be a better place if all the Irish just left and never came back...

gozunda

mad muffin wrote: »

They make it so easy.

With their chronic alcoholism

Their silly accents

Their lack of swimming skills

They're afraid of everything, including working and showering

What's not to bash?


Australia would be a better place if all the Irish just left and never came back...

You Australian then?

But just to clarify - who exactly is it that has the "silly accent, chronic alcoholism, lack if swimming skills (sic),afraid of everything including working and showering" (sic) - it's really not very clear if you are referring to the (a) recent immigrants into Australia or the (b)?descendants of the Irish / British settlers - who would appear to have very little difference except for attitude and institutionalised racism exhibited in your post ...

mad muffin

gozunda wrote: »

You Australian then?

But just to clarify - who exactly is it that has the "silly accent, chronic alcoholism, lack if swimming skills (sic),afraid of everything including working and showering" (sic) - it's really not very clear if you are referring to the (a) recent immigrants into Australia or the (b)?descendants of the Irish / British settlers - who would appear to have very little difference except for attitude and institutionalised racism exhibited in your post ...

I should have added lack of intelligence too...

gozunda

mad muffin wrote: »

I should have added lack of intelligence too...

I take it you are referring to what you referred to as'Aussies' - that's not very nice now is it!

And btw

mad muffin wrote:

Australia would be a better place if all the Irish just left and never came back...

Do you actually live here? Why so if you don't like 'the Irish' to that degree?

Odd fella

mad muffin

gozunda wrote: »

I take it you are referring to what you referred to as'Aussies' - that's not very nice now is it!

And btw



Do you actually live here? Why so if you don't like 'the Irish' to that degree?

Odd fellow

I'm being sarcastic...

irishmover

mad muffin wrote: »

They make it so easy.

With their chronic alcoholism

Their silly accents

Their lack of swimming skills

They're afraid of everything, including working and showering

What's not to bash?


Australia would be a better place if all the Irish just left and never came back...

So.. You've stooped to the level of a number of the Irish posters in this thread. Well done.. Even if you are joking its a c*ntish post and doesn't help anyone.

It does seem like you were scraping the barrel though.. Lack of swimming skills? Afraid of everything, SHOWERING? Really?! The only one which is worth noting is the alcoholism. Which is a stereotype. A stereotype which definitely exists in Australia. Alcoholism from my three years in Australia working in every state but ACT and Tasmania, between mining, bush, desert to city jobs working with a massive diversity of people I can tell you from my experience alcoholism is worse here than Ireland.

I'm guessing you're a male Australian if you think the accent is silly. Haven't met an Australian female who thinks its silly that's for sure. I have gotten away on my accent alone as I'm an average guy in appearance.

However, I bet you'd have gotten similar luck in Ireland with your accent (not that I mind the Australian accent).

Anyway, there's been a lot of Australia bashing in this thread that is uncalled for. I can emphatize with you a small bit when you're witnessing so many people bash your country. I must say though that its not like it really matters. You know what Australia is like and its fine. In my opinion a reasonably well run country. I enjoy living here and enjoy my job. I will return to Ireland for good some time in the next few years but I'll leave with citizenship in a country I'll have very fond memories of.

Smiles35

Beautiful looking people the aboriginals. Whitey knows it too and confusion ensues.

mad muffin

irishmover wrote: »

So.. You've stooped to the level of a number of the Irish posters in this thread. Well done.. Even if you are joking its a c*ntish post and doesn't help anyone.

It does seem like you were scraping the barrel though.. Lack of swimming skills? Afraid of everything, SHOWERING? Really?! The only one which is worth noting is the alcoholism. Which is a stereotype. A stereotype which definitely exists in Australia. Alcoholism from my three years in Australia working in every state but ACT and Tasmania, between mining, bush, desert to city jobs working with a massive diversity of people I can tell you from my experience alcoholism is worse here than Ireland.

I'm guessing you're a male Australian if you think the accent is silly. Haven't met an Australian female who thinks its silly that's for sure. I have gotten away on my accent alone as I'm an average guy in appearance.

However, I bet you'd have gotten similar luck in Ireland with your accent (not that I mind the Australian accent).

Anyway, there's been a lot of Australia bashing in this thread that is uncalled for. I can emphatize with you a small bit when you're witnessing so many people bash your country. I must say though that its not like it really matters. You know what Australia is like and its fine. In my opinion a reasonably well run country. I enjoy living here and enjoy my job. I will return to Ireland for good some time in the next few years but I'll leave with citizenship in a country I'll have very fond memories of.

Fine, fine

I have nothing against the Irish. I'm married to one and have lived here for over a decade.

But there is so much Aussie bashing, that I can tolerate, before I bite back...

*scarpers away*

lufties

irishmover wrote: »

So.. You've stooped to the level of a number of the Irish posters in this thread. Well done.. Even if you are joking its a c*ntish post and doesn't help anyone.

It does seem like you were scraping the barrel though.. Lack of swimming skills? Afraid of everything, SHOWERING? Really?! The only one which is worth noting is the alcoholism. Which is a stereotype. A stereotype which definitely exists in Australia. Alcoholism from my three years in Australia working in every state but ACT and Tasmania, between mining, bush, desert to city jobs working with a massive diversity of people I can tell you from my experience alcoholism is worse here than Ireland.

I'm guessing you're a male Australian if you think the accent is silly. Haven't met an Australian female who thinks its silly that's for sure. I have gotten away on my accent alone as I'm an average guy in appearance.

However, I bet you'd have gotten similar luck in Ireland with your accent (not that I mind the Australian accent).

Anyway, there's been a lot of Australia bashing in this thread that is uncalled for. I can emphatize with you a small bit when you're witnessing so many people bash your country. I must say though that its not like it really matters. You know what Australia is like and its fine. In my opinion a reasonably well run country. I enjoy living here and enjoy my job. I will return to Ireland for good some time in the next few years but I'll leave with citizenship in a country I'll have very fond memories of.

Just come back from thailand, jesus the aussies out there are the loudest ****ers..unbelieveable, love the sound of there own voice..empty vessels make the most noise and all that.

mad muffin

lufties wrote: »

Just come back from thailand, jesus the aussies out there are the loudest ****ers..unbelieveable, love the sound of there own voice..empty vessels make the most noise and all that.

Fúck you, cúnt... :pac:

irishmover

lufties wrote: »

Just come back from thailand, jesus the aussies out there are the loudest ****ers..unbelieveable, love the sound of there own voice..empty vessels make the most noise and all that.

I'd say they are. Luckily haven't really come across that myself but have heard plenty of stories. Exact same can be said about the Irish lads though.

gozunda

mad muffin wrote: »

Fine, fine

I have nothing against the Irish. I'm married to one and have lived here for over a decade.

But there is so much Aussie bashing, that I can tolerate, before I bite back...

*scarpers away*

From the post - there was no Aussie bashing - I equated the Irish and Australians as being remakably similar which makes such racism even more bizarre imo. Your tirade of anti Oirishness didn't come across as a joke btw.

Your 'bite back' unfortunately simply increases points against any fair argument ....

Billy86

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

the place is great.

if you have no education or are good with your hands and fancy picking berries in a field for two years or pulling pints in a bar. and letting everyone know how great your life is cause you got out of the shithole country where you were born and raised.... "coz the government is a disgrace and we pay too much taxes and there's no hope and natin goin for any of us we never gets an ald dig out from the bastardin politicians running the place,or shud I say the snakes running the place.cunts"

in summary, Australia has nothing great about it.

Wow, where did you stay when you were over there that left you so bitter about the place?

mad muffin

gozunda wrote: »

From the post - there was no bashing - I equated the Irish and Australians as being remakably similar which makes such racism even more bizarre imo. Your tirade of anti Oirishness didn't come across as a joke btw.

Your 'bite back' unfortunately simply increases points against any fair argument ....

Meh...

mandrake04

gozunda wrote: »

It is my understanding that ill treatment and legislation passed against aboriginal peoples was instigated from the highest levels of government soon after colonisation. Constabulary and military personal were variously use to enforce these laws and ordinances.

The British hanged some aboriginals as an example to others, British soldiers also hunted down aboriginals in reprisals for killing settlers but more often it was convicts, ticket-of-leave men and old lags would try to take the aboriginal women which often resulted in many being murdered or they were just murdered for the craic.

Certainly in the worst massacre of Myall creek which 28 women, children and old men were hacked to death by sword was the the first and only Trial that executed White men for murder of aboriginals among the 11 perpetrators 3 were Irish convicts Edward Foley, John Blake and John Russell.

Of the 11 perpetrators 7 were executed including Foley and Russell, Blake was acquitted but committed suicide later by cutting his own throat.

Interesting was the Attorney General who helped prosecute the case was an Irishman called John Plunkett.

gozunda wrote: »

Tbh the makeup of the original population and the reported anti-irish sentiment in Australia today is very strange imo. Paddy bashing definitely appears to part of the national psyche ...

whats this anti-Irish sentiment you speak of? I have lived in Australia for over 10 years and except for a few stupid remarks have never experienced any paddy bashing. In fact I think I have done very well, any Paddy bashing I have ever experienced has been from other Irish who just begrudge those of us that have made something of ourselves.

gozunda

mandrake wrote:

The British hanged some aboriginals as an example to others, British soldiers also hunted down aboriginals in reprisals for killing settlers but more often it was convicts, ticket-of-leave men and old lags would try to take the aboriginal women which often resulted in many being murdered or they were just murdered for the craic.

Certainly in the worst massacre of Myall creek which 28 women, children and old men were hacked to death by sword was the the first and only Trial that executed White men for murder of aboriginals among the 11 perpetrators 3 were Irish convicts Edward Foley, John Blake and John Russell.

Of the 11 perpetrators 7 were executed including Foley and Russell, Blake was acquitted but committed suicide later by cutting his own throat.

Interesting was the Attorney General who helped prosecute the case was an Irishman called John Plunkett.

As far as I see that fits in with what I have already posted. Certainly there was widespread mistreatment of aborigines both in Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania, some was at the hands of settlers, much engendered through official policies and refusal to recognise the rights of indigenous peoples.

mandrake wrote:

Twhats this anti-Irish sentiment you speak of? I have lived in Australia for over 10 years and except for a few stupid remarks have never experienced any paddy bashing. In fact I think I have done very well, any Paddy bashing I have ever experienced has been from other Irish who just begrudge those of us that have made something of ourselves.

I have already posted on this. There are many examples. I will repost the 2 that I posted previously. There are many more.


http://m.independent.ie/opinion/why-is-it-ok-to-be-racist-to-the-irish-down-under-30260579.html

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/australian-bricklayer-employment-ad-says-no-irish-need-apply-142442405-237434871.html


I reckon that an insular country like Australia is more generally isolated from criticism by its neighbours and can become very removed from how some attitudes and behaviour towards non natives are perceived. Such observations may not be pleasant - and not well received - this doesn't make them any less valid.

However there does appear to be some rising awareness of these issues as looked at in the Austrslian TV series Dumb Drunk and Racist ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7--6L4A-MI

SpaceTime

mad muffin wrote: »

They make it so easy.

With their chronic alcoholism

Their silly accents

Hmm... No Australian's ever been known to drink and they have absolutely no accent whatsoever. They all speak in received pronunciation apparently...

Reality of it is that Australia's just the same as Ireland and Britain with more mining money (for now) and sunshine. Didn't really ever notice any massive cultural differences. Although being upside-down definitely does something to the accent.

NotASheeple

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

What's so great about Australia?

The land is great, but in my experience, it has too many discriminatory racists for my liking.

omgapuppy

Billy86 wrote: »

The expensive part isn't true in all of Australia - in Sydney you can get a good steak with chips or mash and a side salad for $10, you can get a kilo or most fruit and veg for $2-3, you can buy a kilo of fillet steak for $20-25, a schooner (about 450ml) of beer or a house wine or vodka/whiskey/bourbon and coke for $3 in a lot of places. You can get a weekly unlimited pass for all trains, buses and ferries for $43 I think it was and all are frequent, quick and reliable (this is all as of two years ago), and I had a very nice, spacious 3 bedroom apartment in Kingsford shared with a couple and one other guy which was about 15-20 minutes on a bus you wouldn't be waiting any more than 5-10 minutes for from either the beach or the CBD, for $215 a week. Considering that minimum wage is/was then about $17.50 on a sponsorship or $22ish on a working holiday visa (you can only get casual work so no sick/holiday pay, but they pay you 25% extra so it's more than a good enough pay off), those are some incredibly reasonable prices. There's also a lot of more free stuff to do there in no small part thanks to the weather, which helps more again.

It can get uncomfortably hot but not often once you've acclimatised, you were only there for a month so you wouldn't have had the chance. Once you get used to it it's incredible waking up a 6-6.30am to 25 degree weather and beaming sunshine, so a lot of people go for a jog, to the gym or for a surf/swim before work which puts them in a much better and more easygoing mood.

I actually didn't find many Aussies that arrogant at all, the odd one but you get that everywhere. I made plenty of Aussie friends who I still keep in touch with and try to meet up with if they're in Europe in the summer, whereas the Irish in particular I found were terrible at mingling with the locals - spending their whole lives in the Randwick/Bondi Junction area, rarely going out anywhere that wasn't The Tea Gardens, Cock and Bull or Scruffy Murphys (or maybe Cheers sports bar or the Star casino to watch football matches), often working with and for Irish people and insulating themselves as much as possible from everything around them. I was staying in a hostel right by central train station at first, met a few Irish people who I was out with the odd time, but stopped doing so after I would get dirty looks and sarcastic comments off them for talking to Aussies out and about. Then we're the first ones to turn around and complain about the locals "not liking us because we're Irish", being arrogant, etc! :pac:

Excellent points, all of them. I've always been curious re visiting Australia & maybe moving some time in the future (or NZ).

I don't get the general "they're racist", "they're dumb" or "it's boring / there's no culture" remarks people seem to make. That's very narrow-minded, even coming from people who have lived there. I think it all boils down to how willing you are to adapt to the local culture like the quoted poster said.

I've lived in Dublin for around 9 years now. Most locals wouldn't know I'm not from here unless I told them (not sure if this is a good or a bad thing). I love it here and feel like I've settled (still want to see the world, not sure re moving).

Saying Aussies are racist? Racism is alive and well in Ireland as well! The number of time's I've had a taxi driver start a racist rant (usually an uneducated one) on this subject or the other. I'd hear them out and then slip being from elsewhere into the conversation. The embarrassment in their face is priceless. Point being, there are stupid a-holes everywhere. It doesn't mean everyone's like that.

I know a good few immigrants like myself who, unlike me, refuse to hang out with locals / other nationalities and keep with what / who they know. Guess what, most of them claim locals are incredibly racist / dumb / lack culture - a common theme running through this whole discussion thread!

It's usually not the locals / country you're staying in - it's more to do with your own insecurities and ability to accept the differences!

mighty magpie

where can one get a $3 schooner or bourbon/coke in sydney?
cheers

Billy86

mighty magpie wrote: »

where can one get a $3 schooner or bourbon/coke in sydney?
cheers

Shark Bar, Scubar, Side Bar, Star Bar (kip), some parts of the Rocks, Shakespeares near Crown/Elizabeth Street, Churchill's but it's way out in Kingsford, Harbour Lounge I think it's called (on Darling Harbour) from what I remember. All of these though are as of two years ago so could well have changed - really depended on what day of the week it was when I was there, they seemed to alternate from pub to pub.

Venus In Furs

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Australia makes 1950's Mississippi look like disney land.

There's a system of racial segregation in Australia that's far worse than that of pre Civil Rights Mississippi? That's awful!

Cheensbo

mighty magpie wrote: »

where can one get a $3 schooner or bourbon/coke in sydney?
cheers

Bar century, stinks of piss, but cheap as fook (all drinks $3 until 9/10pm i think), and very central!

B.A._Baracus

I say Christmas with boiling weather would be a bit unusual.

zzfh

Australia will be known like a st Patrick in years to come...it drove all the sheep out of Ireland

Wompa1

zzfh wrote: »

Australia will be known like a st Patrick in years to come...it drove all the sheep out of Ireland

St. Patrick drove the sheep out of Ireland??

NI24

I once expressed an interest in traveling to Australia until an older gay man told me and I quote, "They don't treat women very well there". It's too bad as the wildlife seems pretty amazing and it is the country that produced the hottest brothers in Hollywood at the moment, The Fabulous Hemsworth Bros. Although I have to say, as I've gotten older, the place seems more, I don't know, sterile or something. I can't put my finger on it.

Wompa1

NI24 wrote: »

Although I have to say, as I've gotten older, the place seems more, I don't know, sterile or something. I can't put my finger on it.

I went there for a few weeks. The cities I went to, were very nice. But the rural parts and 'scenic' sites were kind of underwhelming. I didn't get to go to New Zealand, that country looks beautiful

NI24

Wompa1 wrote: »

I went there for a few weeks. The cities I went to, were very nice. But the rural parts and 'scenic' sites were kind of underwhelming. I didn't get to go to New Zealand, that country looks beautiful

Yeah it really does look beautiful and the weather there would be more up my alley than sweltering heat. (but some people really looooove Australian weather, so that's just me). My landlord traveled through Australia for two weeks in an RV I think it was and he loved every minute of it. His wife, on the other hand, well.....

zzfh

Wompa1 wrote: »

St. Patrick drove the sheep out of Ireland??

no,the snakes silly.