King George VI Chase

Gringo180 · 26-12-2014 11:42am #1

Can anybody tell me how I managed to get 25/1 on Johns Spirit this morning. Should be at least half those odds, this ever improving 7 year old has a huge chance today.

Andalucia · 26-12-2014 11:47am

Gringo180 wrote: »

Can anybody tell me how I managed to get 25/1 on Johns Spirit this morning. Should be at least half those odds, this ever improving 7 year old has a huge chance today.

Should be 50's on the form the stable is in.No winner in December,has to change sometime I suppose.

Gringo180 · 26-12-2014 11:54am

Andalucia wrote: »

Should be 50's on the form the stable is in.No winner in December,has to change sometime I suppose.

Hes only had 10 runners in the last 14 days and 3 of them were placed so that statistic could be a bit misguiding.

Howjoe1 · 26-12-2014 12:04pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Can anybody tell me how I managed to get 25/1 on Johns Spirit this morning. Should be at least half those odds, this ever improving 7 year old has a huge chance today.

widely available at 33/1. you were done.

mr.jingle · 26-12-2014 12:15pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Can anybody tell me how I managed to get 25/1 on Johns Spirit this morning. Should be at least half those odds, this ever improving 7 year old has a huge chance today.

Might snatch a place at best but he's been well beaten anytime he's gone 3m. He'll need a few to perform well below par to be winning or maybe even placing though to me. Think 25's is about right

Gringo180 · 26-12-2014 12:18pm

Howjoe1 wrote: »

widely available at 33/1. you were done.

I will be happy enough to take the better odds when McLernon steers him home in 1st place with Conti and Cue Card toiling in his wake :pac:

Gringo180 · 26-12-2014 12:23pm

mr.jingle wrote: »

Might snatch a place at best but he's been well beaten anytime he's gone 3m. He'll need a few to perform well below par to be winning or maybe even placing though to me. Think 25's is about right

Plenty of question marks over most of the field barring SC. Is CC anywhere near his best, same with Al Ferof, will CF be better over 3 miles, will Menorah clatter a few like he always does, Dynaste much better over 2m 4f???

handsfree2 · 26-12-2014 12:27pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Plenty of question marks over most of the field barring SC. Is CC anywhere near his best, same with Al Ferof, will CF be better over 3 miles, will Menorah clatter a few like he always does, Dynaste much better over 2m 4f???

I am ferofs form looks decent, beat wishful thinking and somersby in the amlim. Somersby then came second in the tingle creek and WT won the Peterborough. He's to be respected.

Gringo180 · 26-12-2014 12:36pm

handsfree2 wrote: »

I am ferofs form looks decent, beat wishful thinking and somersby in the amlim. Somersby then came second in the tingle creek and WT won the Peterborough. He's to be respected.

True enough, I actually tipped Al Ferof to win the Gold Cup last year, but his run here last year disappointed me he was a well beaten horse in 3rd. Cant see him reversing the form with SC, although there could be an argument that he wasn't at his very best last year.

jimjamcos · 26-12-2014 12:45pm

Wonderful Charm at 50/1 is the one I like to outrun his odds. He's not as good as I first thought he'd turn out but a flat track and 3m is what he wants and the long home straight may see him stay on for a place.

mailburner · 26-12-2014 1:31pm

backed af in this last year, mind was made up then never to back this one
at this distance

finding it hard to find one to beat sc here

26-12-2014 1:40pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Can anybody tell me how I managed to get 25/1 on Johns Spirit this morning. Should be at least half those odds, this ever improving 7 year old has a huge chance today.

Glad to see I'm not the only one giving him a squeak.

tryfix · 26-12-2014 1:57pm

Going to pick between Silviniaco Conti and Champagne Fever in this, the race is mostly won by an up and coming 7yo or by last years winner again.

Bit worried about Silviniaco's lack of pace last year in behind Cue Card ( backed CC in a toss up with SC last year ) and heartened by his lack of stamina in the Gold Cup. He's a very fair price given the record of previous winners in the race.

Champagne Fever has a fine profile for this and is wrongly suspected of being short on stamina. He's probably the stoutest bred horse in the field and has the pace to lie up with cue Card while SC may struggle to go that pace, but will be coming at the end if CC and CF cut each other's throats up front.

Will back both, one as a saver..

Shemale · 26-12-2014 3:54pm

Cue Card is a crazy price at 13/2, surely he won't be far away, last year was odd he seemed to hit a flay spot between 2 and 3 out but came home alright.

mailburner · 26-12-2014 4:16pm

stamina wins the day again

Gringo180 · 26-12-2014 4:18pm

mailburner wrote: »

stamina wins the day again

He's a class horse to be fair

Nulty · 26-12-2014 4:22pm

mailburner wrote: »

stamina wins the day again

Gringo180 wrote: »

He's a class horse to be fair

Jumped perfectly, even when getting in close was brilliantly efficient.

mailburner · 26-12-2014 4:24pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

He's a class horse to be fair

sure is and that was a perfect ride
you could see the race playing out like that bout half way through

Gringo180 · 26-12-2014 4:25pm

Nulty wrote: »

Jumped perfectly, even when getting in close was brilliantly efficient.

I can see them making the running in the Gold Cup too. Last years slow place was his undoing in that race.

droidman123 · 26-12-2014 4:26pm

I laugh in the face of some people who said s.c. wasnt a stayer,delightful to watch.

Shemale · 26-12-2014 4:26pm

Very canny ride, it's like Ruby and Jacobs fell asleep, he stole quite the march turning in.

Itziger · 26-12-2014 4:29pm

Shemale wrote: »

Very canny ride, it's like Ruby and Jacobs fell asleep, he stole quite the march turning in.

Couldn't agree with that reading. CF just started to feel it and Fehily pushed on. Ruby never got closer than a length and that about halfway around. Best horse clearly won. No hard luck stories.

mailburner · 26-12-2014 4:47pm

droidman123 wrote: »

I laugh in the face of some people who said s.c. wasnt a stayer,delightful to watch.

if anyone said that after last years kg then they should be watching
a different sport

mailburner · 26-12-2014 4:49pm

Shemale wrote: »

Very canny ride, it's like Ruby and Jacobs fell asleep, he stole quite the march turning in.

they were certainly close enough if good enough when it mattered

Shemale · 26-12-2014 5:12pm

mailburner wrote: »

they were certainly close enough if good enough when it mattered

Close enough but he was filling Contis lungs up for quite a way they just sat behind instead of applying a bit of pressure, net result Fehily had plenty under him for when it's needed.

mailburner · 26-12-2014 5:17pm

Shemale wrote: »

Close enough but he was filling Contis lungs up for quite a way they just sat behind instead of applying a bit of pressure, net result Fehily had plenty under him for when it's needed.

there was no point applying too much pressure given sc has an abunance of stamina that most of the others didnt
just the best by a mile today

oPATCHo · 26-12-2014 5:20pm

Imagine if the ground was Soft-Heavy today.... Conti would have finished with most of these still heading around the bend! lol

Great performance!

Shemale · 26-12-2014 5:38pm

mailburner wrote: »

there was no point applying too much pressure given sc has an abunance of stamina that most of the others didnt
just the best by a mile today

Best horse alright, still think it was a smart tactic by Fehily, he applied the pressure to Cue Card last year when Tizzard was letting him fill up. Ruby seemed confident enough Fever would stay thought he might the one to apply some pressure.

tryfix · 26-12-2014 5:49pm

droidman123 wrote: »

I laugh in the face of some people who said s.c. wasnt a stayer,delightful to watch.

You may or may not be referencing my #13 post on this thread. Where I mentioned I was heartened by SCs lack of stamina in the Gold Cup. Many horses that get the King George trip well just don't get the Gold Cup trip where the extra few furlongs and demanding course test their stamina too much.

It takes a bit of pace to win the King George and the Gold Cup is a pure stayers race. SC looks better this year than last and last year's Gold Cup could have been a very good one. I still wouldn't back SC in it. I did last year and felt he ran out of stamina.

I still think on pedigree that Champagne Fever will get a trip well, he was outpaced by SC today and used himself a bit too much today.He is probably better than today's result would indicate.

oPATCHo · 26-12-2014 6:25pm

Don't rate Champagne Fever at all... it may come back to bit me, but couldn't understand the hype about him today, and struggling to see why he'd take a GC

droidman123 · 26-12-2014 8:13pm

tryfix wrote: »

You may or may not be referencing my #13 post on this thread. Where I mentioned I was heartened by SCs lack of stamina in the Gold Cup. Many horses that get the King George trip well just don't get the Gold Cup trip where the extra few furlongs and demanding course test their stamina too much.

It takes a bit of pace to win the King George and the Gold Cup is a pure stayers race. SC looks better this year than last and last year's Gold Cup could have been a very good one. I still wouldn't back SC in it. I did last year and felt he ran out of stamina.

I still think on pedigree that Champagne Fever will get a trip well, he was outpaced by SC today and used himself a bit too much today.He is probably better than today's result would indicate.

No i wasnt referencing you tryfix,other people on here claimed sc wasnt a stayer,which bewildered me.i take your point about cheltenham,but imo its just a course he,s not crazy about.

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