Irish Players outside the Provinces

Buer

CatFromHue wrote: »

Weepu and Robinson, the halfbacks of the Gods!

I recall there being a huge rumour buzz around Robinson in the week building up to the announcement of the 2009 Lions squad. He was playing brilliant stuff for Cardiff that season and they were ridiculously unfortunate not to make the HEC final with him at outhalf.

CatFromHue

True but since then he's been moving around alot.

Two years at Gloucester, 2 at Wasps, and 2 at Bristol.

It's a bit of a jump from the Championship to Top 14

Hagz

Brendan Macken made his debut for Gloucester in their defeat to Sale. Seems like he had a decent debut. The fans over on the Gloucester forum marked him out as one of the few positives from the game.

shuffol

Hagz wrote: »

Brendan Macken made his debut for Gloucester in their defeat to Sale. Seems like he had a decent debut. The fans over on the Gloucester forum marked him out as one of the few positives from the game.

Two clean breaks, two defenders beaten and made 8 of 8 tackles, a more telling statistic with Macken is that he didn't kick or pass the ball once. I think he's the type of player well capable of making an impact but once defences get to know him his limitations will be shown.

Podge_irl

Oyannax are a deadly bunch of lads altogether.

leinster blue boys

young callum sheedy ,fly half with Bristol, played 3 or 4 times for 1st team ,even tho only aged 19,apparently was selected for wales u20s but withdrew ,because he would then be tied to wales ,he played Ireland u19 7s very highly thought of young kid ,very interesting

The Lost Sheep

leinster blue boys wrote: »

young callum sheedy, fly half with Bristol, played 3 or 4 times for 1st team, even tho only aged 19,apparently was selected for wales u20s but withdrew, because he would then be tied to wales, he played Ireland u19 7s very highly thought of young kid, very interesting

Mentioned a few weeks ago in other threads...
He played with the Irish Exiles in the youths u18 interpros in 2012 and u19 interpros in 2013

thomond2006

A few Irish players involved for LI vs Edinburgh on Sunday. 5:45pm on BT 2.

London Irish: 15 Andrew Fenby, 14 Topsy Ojo, 13 Eoin Griffin, 12 Eamonn Sheridan, 11 Alex Lewington, 10 Shane Geraghty, 9 Scott Steele, 8 Tom Guest, 7 Blair Cowan, 6 Conor Gilsenan, 5 Nic Rouse, 4 George Skivington (c), 3 Halani Aulika, 2 David Paice, 1 Tom Court.
Replacements: 16 Jimmy Stevens, 17 Matt Parr, 18 Leo Halavatau, 19 Jebb Sinclair, 20 Luke Narraway, 21 Darren Allinson, 22 Chris Noakes, 23 Tom Fowlie.

Beery Eyed

Gilsenan with a try in the first half as well. Doing well so far

Buer

Having a good game. Sheridan looking alright. Griffin very quiet.

thomond2006

Damien Browne is retiring at the end of the season.

Carawaystick

I suppose if Dan Brennan ever comes good he'll stick with France.

the perfect ten

Greene King IPA Championship Player of the Month

http://www.englandrugby.com/news/championship-player-the-month-nominees-announced

Good to see yet another Irish player nominated - this time it is James McKinney at Rotherham Titans.

Let's get voting

pickarooney

Does anyone know anything about Alan Cotter, Munster tight head who is joining PARC in aix en Provence next season? With a bit if luck he'll be playing regularly in Pro D2 as the incumbents are a bit of the pace should they win promotion.

thomond2006

pickarooney wrote: »

Does anyone know anything about Alan Cotter, Munster tight head who is joining PARC in aix en Provence next season? With a bit if luck he'll be playing regularly in Pro D2 as the incumbents are a bit of the pace should they win promotion.

He's been a squad player for a few seasons. He spent time on loan at London Irish and Bath. A few injuries hampered his opportunities I think.

The Lost Sheep

pickarooney wrote: »

Does anyone know anything about Alan Cotter, Munster tight head who is joining PARC in aix en Provence next season? With a bit if luck he'll be playing regularly in Pro D2 as the incumbents are a bit of the pace should they win promotion.

Squad player, has been on loan in England. Cookies player and played huge amount AIL with them as well as A side with Munster

pickarooney

PARC have him down as a loosehead. Does he play both sides or was I mistaken giving n he was a 3?

The Lost Sheep

pickarooney wrote: »

PARC have him down as a loosehead. Does he play both sides or was I mistaken giving n he was a 3?

Can play both. Was originally a tighthead but he has moved between both sides in recent years especially at club level

blackdog1

pickarooney wrote: »

Does anyone know anything about Alan Cotter, Munster tight head who is joining PARC in aix en Provence next season? With a bit if luck he'll be playing regularly in Pro D2 as the incumbents are a bit of the pace should they win promotion.

This is the problem with munster rugby. Cotter was a th so they moved him to lose head and made a bollix out of it. Same as Dave Ryan. They move John Ryan to th from lh and made a bollix of it and now they had to move him back. And now they're converting James cronin to a th. Well I wonder how that's going to turn out.

The Lost Sheep

blackdog1 wrote: »

This is the problem with munster rugby. Cotter was a th so they moved him to loose head and made a bollix out of it. Same as Dave Ryan. They move John Ryan to th from lh and made a bollix of it and now they had to move him back. And now they're converting James cronin to a th. Well I wonder how that's going to turn out.

I don't think it is. Tighthead is an issue and we haven't been able to do much and we have had many very good or potentially good looseheads. James Cronin has played Tighthead before IIRC, from my times playing against him and I now S Harty has been involved in helping a lot of these guys convert across the scrum and if he thought they were good to move then I wouldn't be too worried even if several like you name didn't work out in the end

blackdog1

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I don't think it is. Tighthead is an issue and we haven't been able to do much and we have had many very good or potentially good looseheads. James Cronin has played Tighthead before IIRC, from my times playing against him and I now S Harty has been involved in helping a lot of these guys convert across the scrum and if he thought they were good to move then I wouldn't be too worried even if several like you name didn't work out in the end

The problem is that all of them didn't work out.. and there has been no successes. Hayes was a poor scrummager too. The best scrummager to come from munster in the last decade was never picked up and ended up in leinster. Munster haven't had a decent scrummager since the claw.

The Lost Sheep

blackdog1 wrote: »

The problem is that all of them didn't work out.. and there has been no successes. Hayes was a poor scrummager too. The best scrummager to come from munster in the last decade was never picked up and ended up in leinster. Munster haven't had a decent scrummager since the claw.

Hayes was a much better scrummager than he was given credit for. That isn't fair or true about Munster. It may be a slight issue that few didn't work out on switching but its better to try it than not to at all. What would you rather Munster have done over the past few years. What would be your magical solution to all the issues you see Munster having had in this area?

blackdog1

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Hayes was a much better scrummager than he was given credit for. That isn't fair or true about Munster. It may be a slight issue that few didn't work out on switching but its better to try it than not to at all. What would you rather Munster have done over the past few years. What would be your magical solution to all the issues you see Munster having had in this area?

Well they should have signed ross after he was voted th of the season in the premiership never mind before. They should have also got a proper scrum coach going around the province. One like Rowntree or some other ex prop like Julian white not Paul mac or flannery. ... they're also was better props out there leinster signed an Ulster th out a the ail who was decent( Simon Shaw ).

The Lost Sheep

blackdog1 wrote: »

Well they should have signed ross after he was voted th of the season in the premiership never mind before. They should have also got a proper scrum coach going around the province. One like Rowntree or some other ex prop like Julian white not Paul mac or flannery. ... they're also was better props out there leinster signed an Ulster th out a the ail who was decent( Simon Shaw ).

Munster have had an unofficial scrum coach for years and all the Munster props have been out working with him at different stages - Seamus Harty from Nenagh https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1G1-236058156/tim-has-learned-to-play-the-hard-way
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/chasing-the-hit-1.561154

Don't see any issue with Flannery as he's done a good job so far. Who would you recommend to be doing this job?

blackdog1

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Munster have had an unofficial scrum coach for years and all the Munster props have been out working with him at different stages - Seamus Harty from Nenagh https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1G1-236058156/tim-has-learned-to-play-the-hard-way
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/chasing-the-hit-1.561154

Don't see any issue with Flannery as he's done a good job so far. Who would you recommend to be doing this job?

As far as I'm aware seams Harty is retired years ago. You need a good technical prop whose recently retired like de villers the former french prop. You want one with a good build not like botha. Botha has a unique build and narrow shoulders, the way he scrummages can't be replicated by people of a bigger build like archer because he's broader and can't get into the joint between the lh and hooker like botha can.

thomond2006

Irish in France this weekend:

- Pau: Dougall and Coughlan starting with Butler on the bench. Same as last week.
- Grenoble: James Hart starting at 9 as Charl McLeod is injured. Denis Coulson and Chris Farrell are on the bench.
- Oyonnax: Eamonn Sheridan starts in the centre.

Anyone up for doing up a table for us of Irish players in different leagues?

awec

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