This weeks shooting times

mike2015

Bird group seeks to ban woodcock sales in Ireland

allan450

seen it alright.id be for it.The bird is on the amber list already.doesnt help when europe sees 2000 birds from the west and 3000/4000 up north heading over to restaurants in france.greed again prevails again within the irish culture

wexfordman2

mike2015 wrote: »

Bird group seeks to ban woodcock sales in Ireland

Hope they succeed, good precedent

ace86

allan450 wrote: »

seen it alright.id be for it.The bird is on the amber list already.doesnt help when europe sees 2000 birds from the west and 3000/4000 up north heading over to restaurants in france.greed again prevails again within the irish culture

And what is shot here very yr and brought back by lads to France and other countrys as well plus snipe I may add.

mike2015

I don't do any deer shooting but from talking to lads it seems to be a shoot to sell job out there, I am a man that loves to hunt for woodcock and would travel any part of Ireland for a days shooting not worrying about what I get but this could f.... it for everyone.
I was just say to a friend on the phone that this time last year my son and I counted 27 woodcock come of a mountain one evening, a fortnight ago I only counted 2.


Lads don't **** it up for everyone.

hathcock

mike2015 wrote: »

Bird group seeks to ban woodcock sales in Ireland

Haven't read the article,but on the face of it it seems a good idea,if the same thing was done in the case of deer it would be a positive step too.

feartuath

mike2015 wrote: »

I don't do any deer shooting but from talking to lads it seems to be a shoot to sell job out there, I am a man that loves to hunt for woodcock and would travel any part of Ireland for a days shooting not worrying about what I get but this could f.... it for everyone.
I was just saying to a friend on the phone that this time last year my son and I counted 27 woodcock come of a mountain one evening, a fortnight ago I only counted 2.


Lads don't **** it up for everyone.

This would be normal for woodcock as they do not return to the same area each evening

Cass

I have already said on previous threads that this is a hunting forum, not N&BW.

While conservation may occasionally be discussed, as it is in ways tied to hunting, there are a few that seem to pop up every now and then and actively turn every thread into a debate on conservation. This is annoying, disruptive, tiresome, a time sink for the Mods, and there are better forums to discuss this.

However any leeway ends when personal attacks on ANY poster happens especially when they seek to single out one poster.

As such all posts that fall into this have been removed. Any responses to, quoting of, and elaborations of those posts has also been removed.

Lastly i will state this again. This is the hunting forum. If you want to discuss non hunting/shooting issues go elsewhere and discuss it. DO NOT push this issue again, and DO NOT EVER attack a poster again. If you push the issue you're ability to access this forum will be removed.

snipe49

allan450 wrote: »

seen it alright.id be for it.The bird is on the amber list already.doesnt help when europe sees 2000 birds from the west and 3000/4000 up north heading over to restaurants in france.greed again prevails again within the irish culture

I was out for a run with one of my dogs the other eve. I came across this chap standing at the edge of the wood as i got closer a lad i know came out of the wood no gun but five dogs.At the same time around the corner of the wood came another chap. Both these to chaps are French and are paying the lad i know for his days they shoot with him. And what makes it worse he's not a member of the club land he was on.

useurowname

snipe49 wrote: »

I was out for a run with one of my dogs the other eve. I came across this chap standing at the edge of the wood as i got closer a lad i know came out of the wood no gun but five dogs.At the same time around the corner of the wood came another chap. Both these to chaps are French and are paying the lad i know for his days they shoot with him. And what makes it worse he's not a member of the club land he was on.

Been seeing that for years, people making good money from parties of continental Europeans coming here to shoot Snipe and Woodcock and also Pigeon shooting during the Autumn. If we had proper regulations for shooting in Ireland, bag limits etc you wouldn't be meeting this.

ace86

snipe49 wrote: »

I was out for a run with one of my dogs the other eve. I came across this chap standing at the edge of the wood as i got closer a lad i know came out of the wood no gun but five dogs.At the same time around the corner of the wood came another chap. Both these to chaps are French and are paying the lad i know for his days they shoot with him. And what makes it worse he's not a member of the club land he was on.

When there is €€€€ to be made they will chance anywhere regardless who has the place but if its club grounds ye should seek compensation off the man bringing them around for trespassing on yer grounds.

snipe49

ace86 wrote: »

When there is €€€€ to be made they will chance anywhere regardless who has the place but if its club grounds ye should seek compensation off the man bringing them around for trespassing on yer grounds.

Very true but these kind of lads don't give a s'''e.

blackpearl

you have to be carefull if he has permission from the famer you could end up loseing the land for the gunclub .

Dawggone

ace86 wrote: »

ye should seek compensation off the man bringing them around for trespassing on yer grounds.

Unless the gun club own the land that is a completely ridiculous statement.

ace86

Dawggone wrote: »

Unless the gun club own the land that is a completely ridiculous statement.

If they have the shooting rights from the farmer or landowner or it is there own club grounds and he is shooting there he is trespassing and they are entitled to compensation. its the same if you rented and paid for shooting rights of a forestry off coilte or a private person person and some else Trespasses on it you are entitled to sue as well as the owner of the ground. I don't know why u thought that was a ridiculous statement.

ace86

snipe49 wrote: »

Very true but these kind of lads don't give a s'''e.

I know lad I cleared a fellow from my own place this season already and I did the same 2 yrs ago and I got the usual handy talk and he was up in another fellows place that comes over maybe every 2-3 days to check the farm and things and I rang him and asked him and he never gave your man permisson but this is what your up against and these guys are out when we are working 9-5 mon - fri and its only by chance you would catch them.

Dawggone

There is big difference between "renting and paying for" shooting rights, and a landowner saying it's OK for the gun club to shoot the land.

It's the farmers land and it's for him to say who shoots the land or not. End of.
For a gun club to have a verbal Ok to shoot the land doesn't give them any rights to say who can or can't shoot it - not to mention having the cheek to seek monetary compensation. The farmer may give permission to every gunclub in Ireland to shoot HIS land.
There is too much of that shyte going on. Unless you have it in writing...then Ye have no rights.

I have found that the landless club members that are usually the most "militant" in trying to rule over land that they may shoot on....Be thankful that you are allowed on the property and be courteous to those you meet there.

snipe49

This is all ok as long as the person or people shooting on these lands are fully insured and not going to claim against the farmer should they have a fall or worse. !

Dawggone

What are you saying?
Do a citizens arrest? LOL!!!
Its none of your business. If you have any concerns then talk to the owner...

Jeez give some fellows permission to shoot a bit of land and they reckon they have "rights" over the property.
There are shades of the rspb about that line of thinking....why not wear uniforms like the cops while ye protect the countryside from the baddies!!

snipe49

It is my business if these lad cause damage or kill stock the farmer will not be covered and may then stop everyone from shooting on his land. Are u in a gun club or have u insurance. ?

Dawggone

I'm in four gun clubs and I'm very well insured.

My point is the general undercurrent on this forum has a sense of "entitlement" once ye have permission to shoot a farmers land. Permission is just that - you are allowed to shoot the farmers land, but you have no rights on that land whatsoever.
The nargc have been fostering such silly thinking for years.

snipe49

I agree with that but we are loosing shooting grounds because of a few lads that just don't care where or how they shoot.

yubabill1

Seen no woodcock around here for a few years, but have seen a couple of pine martens?

Bogland seems to be no problem to the martens, either - just wondering.

No grey squirrels anymore either, but no loss. Reds making a comeback.