Red Astaire DIY

jousting with chairs

Hi guys

Just a quick guide on to how to mix Red Astaire from concentrate.

Most of the stuff you need can be got at Ezsmoke so I'll just use the links from there to keep it simple and keep postage costs down.

They are very well priced for small quantities and use ''vaped'' for 10% off at checkout.

The first thing you will need is the concentrate,this works out a lot cheaper if bought in 30ml bottles.

http://www.ezsmoke.ie/concentrates-c-4883/515-concentrate-tjuice-astaire-30ml-p-515.html

then some VG
http://www.ezsmoke.ie/concentrates-c-4883/437-vegetable-glycerin-vg-100ml-p-437.html

PG
http://www.ezsmoke.ie/concentrates-c-4883/436-propylene-glycol-pg-100ml-p-436.html

Nicoitne
http://www.ezsmoke.ie/concentrates-c-4883/435-nicotine-base-54-arcane-50ml-p-435.html

Then you will need some syringes but he only has 1ml ones
http://www.ezsmoke.ie/accessories-c-76/457-syringe-with-blunt-needles-p-457.html

these are good for measuring flavours for small samples but for bigger mixes you will need 2.5ml,5ml,10ml and 20ml and some 20 gauge needles.
I got these at a local vet suppliers or you could try you local chemist.

For bigger mixes I use Graduated Cylinders as VG is very thick and a pain to try and get into syringe and it's also a lot quicker.

http://www.ezsmoke.ie/30-concentrates-c-4883?p=3

and some bottles

http://www.ezsmoke.ie/30-concentrates-c-4883

these work out quite expensive but if you're not in a rush they can be bought very cheap on Ebay but expect a long wait for delivery.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/50pcs-50ml-Plastic-Squeezable-Eye-Liquid-Dropper-Bottles-with-Childproof-Cap-LS4-/121114430028?pt=UK_HealthBeauty_Other_RL&hash=item1c32fb8a4c

Then download an ejuice calculator to make sure you get your quantities right,
this is a good one for the PC and there is a short video to show how to use it

http://ejuice.breaktru.com/

but the one I use most is POTV app for Android

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.potv.ejuicecalc&hl=en_GB


The initial outlay can be expensive but the savings are huge once you find an all in one concentrate or recipe you like.I can make 200ml of RA for well under €20 and tweak it to my taste.
T-juice recommend 15% for RA and I find that spot on but some people say they find it too strong and 10% is enough.I also make my juices at about 80/20 VG/PG as I get a reaction to the PG.

If you get into the mixing you are better off to buy in bulk.This is where I get my supplies and shipping is cheap as well.

http://www.vapebase.de/

Any questions just give me a shout.

moonboy52

You went above and beyond the call of duty Jousting with this thread.

That is exactly what i was looking for. Nice one!

I'll be buying all you linked in the new year and give it a go. I'll wait until then for questions :P, but i'm sure there are a multitude of Youtube vids to show the mixing process.

jousting with chairs

No bother,
if you do deicide to order from Vapebase check their FB page first, they often give 10% off deals that can be used with the 7% off for first order so big savings to be had.

JH_raheny

Excellent thread, thanks for sharing

Ionised

This is good info for sure. I recently discovered Vapebase (No doubt from a mention here) and their price for bulk bases for DIY is way lower than most.

I just received a litre of 50/50 18mg base which cost a touch over 50 euro delivered. It got here in fours days from time of ordering.

Along with my order from Octopus Ecigs for a heap of Greedy Monkey concentrate I'm good to go way into 2015!

jousting with chairs

Ionised wrote: »

This is good info for sure. I recently discovered Vapebase (No doubt from a mention here) and their price for bulk bases for DIY is way lower than most.

I just received a litre of 50/50 18mg base which cost a touch over 50 euro delivered. It got here in fours days from time of ordering.

Along with my order from Octopus Ecigs for a heap of Greedy Monkey concentrate I'm good to go way into 2015!

Yeah,I can't fault their service or product.

I just had a look at the Octopus Ecigs site and if the currency converter is right,

60.00 DKK = 8.07 EUR

the Greedy Monkey concentrate can be got cheaper in Ireland.

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/bbconcentrates.htm

I like the Bubbers Bounty an odd time even though I've moved away from tocbacco flavours.

jousting with chairs

Another little tip to make life easy,

Stand your bottle of VG in warm water for about 10 minutes (give it an odd shake) before you start mixing,this makes it a lot more fluid so it's a lot easier to pour or syringe into bottles.

Ionised

Good tip regarding the vg and warm water. I generally leave made up liquid in a warm water bath for an hour and then give it a shake. In my head this aids mixing.

Esmoke still list the Basement Brew concentrates but haven't had any stock in months. Also they have not replied to three emails on the subject. I'd prefer to get it locally but no one else seems to stock it.

jousting with chairs

It's been a while since I ordered the BB concentrates from there but I thought they still had them because they took down the Wingnuts concentrates when they stopped doing them.
I think they have plans to do the Wingnut concentrates again but they have been so busy with the new shop opening that it could be while but they should be able to buy in the others.

The warm water bath will definitely help with the mixing as it keeps the VG more fluid.I give mine a 30 minute cycle in the Ultra-sonic cleaner and that seems to help but some juices like custards just need time.

I mixed up 200ml of T-juice's Colonel Custard on the 6th, I haven't tried it yet but it's smelling lovely.

Boogietime

Very easy to understand, thanks a mil Jousting!

Would you be ok with sharing 5ml of yours to convince me to "mass" produce this? Paid and all, ofc.

jousting with chairs

Boogietime wrote: »

Very easy to understand, thanks a mil Jousting!

Would you be ok with sharing 5ml of yours to convince me to "mass" produce this? Paid and all, ofc.

Sure, pm me your address and I'll stick some in the post for you, no payment needed

RonyPonyBah

I love Red Astaire at max vg :pac::pac::pac:

moonboy52

RonyPonyBah wrote: »

I love Red Astaire at max vg :pac::pac::pac:

Cylon Red! Class pic man

EGriff

Can those egrip coils handle 100% VG? Heard a lot of people complaining about dry hits with high VG in them.

RonyPonyBah

EGriff wrote: »

Can those egrip coils handle 100% VG? Heard a lot of people complaining about dry hits with high VG in them.

No the stock heads are total ****e !

The reviews were all saying it stays consistent at 20 watts, in my experience with a pack of 5 coils, 2 of them were OK at about 15 watts.

Found a trick tho !
You can actually use the BVC heads !

Take the pin from the stock egrip head and insert it into the BVC, threads straight in and preforms like a champ !!!

EGriff

I think I'll wait for the rebuildable base to come out before I get one.

jousting with chairs

You can get it here

http://www.cigatec-ireland.com/rebuildable-atomizers-/153-egrip-rba-base.html#

Vape10 - 10% discount on purchases over €20

RonyPonyBah

For anyone wondering it needs to be the K1 style BVC

Boogietime

Hey Jousting, here's what I found, these are the lads I normally get my hangsen flavours off, looks like they're doing a good deal on DIY stuff too:

http://www.bargainvapour.com/2_Litre_VEGETABLE_GLYCERIN_-_VG/p1274299_11575722.aspx and same for PG

Later edit: I went ahead and got Red Astaire, Quintessence and some Pomme Pom along with the necessary PG/VG liquids. That's it, I'm getting into the game:)

JwC, can I ask if you diluted the VG or not? And if yes, was that with vodka or distilled water? Cheers!

jousting with chairs

Hey Boogie

No I didn't dilute it but it was VG mixed about 50:50 with Fogbase which is a diluted VG that I got from Vapebase.
I have diluted in the past for use in tanks with a couple of drops of Vodka in a 10ml bottle of juice just to help with wicking and a bit of throat hit at lower wattage.

€20 per litre seems very expensive for PG/VG and someone mentioned here before that their shipping was high as well but you have it bought now and will still save money by making your own juice.

Boogietime

jousting with chairs wrote: »

€20 per litre seems very expensive for PG/VG and someone mentioned here before that their shipping was high as well but you have it bought now and will still save money by making your own juice.

Cheers for the info.
I actually went ahead and bought everything from your recommendation - ezsmoke. Something must have been wrong on the vapebase site, it was showing different prices last time i checked, now it seems to be much better, I'll give that a go for my future batches if I'm any handy with this stuff:)
There's also toscanamall.com if you're interested in other concentrates, I found that website a while ago but I didn't pay any mind to it as I wasn't intersted in doing my own liquids. Now it seems interesting.

Also here's a cool tip, I found Muji unbleached japanese cotton - 140 pads for a friggin fiver. That'll last me years!! PM me if you want some, there's a Muji shop in Dublin.

Boogietime

I made my first batch of Red Astaire out of concentrate, (boring numbers are 65/35 vgpg, 1ml of Vodka for a bit of a crispy kick, 10% flavour amount and 10mg nic level) and I'm chuffed on how this thing rolls!
It's a killer already although I only mixed it on Saturday evening, so happy it's not a long steeper.
Thanks a mil for all the handy tips JwC, you're a star!

Sorry for the double post, couldn't edit the previous one.

J Mysterio

Boogietime wrote: »

Also here's a cool tip, I found Muji unbleached japanese cotton - 140 pads for a friggin fiver. That'll last me years!! PM me if you want some, there's a Muji shop in Dublin.

Can you get them online?

Boogietime

J Mysterio wrote: »

Can you get them online?

Found'em, happy days for RBA fans!
http://www.muji.eu/pages/online.asp?Sec=17&Sub=70&PID=7119

J Mysterio

Good man

J Mysterio

Ah... don't deliver to Ireland the cnuts.

Boogietime

J Mysterio wrote: »

Ah... don't deliver to Ireland the cnuts.

Hmm if Parcel Motel isn't an option, let me know

"MUJI UK can only ship orders to delivery locations within Great Britain, the EU, and mainland United States and Canada. We can ship orders to anywhere with a postcode in the UK which covers Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, and the Scottish isles. "

jousting with chairs

J Mysterio wrote: »

Ah... don't deliver to Ireland the cnuts.

There is a walk in Muji shop in Dublin,don't know where as I'm from the arse end of the country but I remember the guys on FB on about it.
You can get Sheidio Cotton pads on-line from Sam Mcauly's or if there is a Debenhams near you they usually have a Sheideo stand somewhere in the store.

Boogietime

jousting with chairs wrote: »

There is a walk in Muji shop in Dublin,don't know where as I'm from the arse end of the country but I remember the guys on FB on about it.
You can get Sheidio Cotton pads on-line from Sam Mcauly's or if there is a Debenhams near you they usually have a Sheideo stand somewhere in the store.

It's right off Grafton St., smack dab in the middle of the city. Shiseido looks the same and since Muji's entire brand mission is that there is no brand on their products (just quality, unbranded stuff so that there's no marketing manipulation), they may as well be the same thing! It's great that you can order them online in Ireland or from walk-in shops like Debenhams, boiling cotton from Tesco is a thing from the past now.

jousting with chairs

Yep,
until the next new fad comes along,boiled Mongolian Yak hair maybe :P

youdipstick

http://www.vaporium.eu/rebuildables/481-shiseido-japanese-cotton.html

J Mysterio

Boogietime wrote: »

Hmm if Parcel Motel isn't an option, let me know

"MUJI UK can only ship orders to delivery locations within Great Britain, the EU, and mainland United States and Canada. We can ship orders to anywhere with a postcode in the UK which covers Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, and the Scottish isles. "

Oh... Just saw this (thanks for kind offer in PM)... Completely forgot about Parcel Motel! Will consider that! Cheers buddy

Boogietime

jousting with chairs wrote: »

Yep,
until the next new fad comes along,boiled Mongolian Yak hair maybe :P

Cotton has been around for a while lol but yeah I remember we used to do mesh wicks and people started to experiment with weird ass stuff as wicks. Cotton won, thankfully. Phew!

moonboy52

Going to order what you recommended Jousting from ezsmoke.

I will order 20ml syringes from amazon and get VG from Boots as ezsmoke are out of stock.

Would you have any links to a good guide as to percentages, or a screenshot of the POTV app with the amount that i am aiming for listed below? I'm a tad confused

Will be aiming for 70pg/30vg with 15-20% concentrate and 12ml nic strength, and looking to make 8 x 30ml bottles

J Mysterio

For your first hit at DIY, ESI have a handy 'ready to vape' flavourless nic base that you can just lash concentrate into.

I think their plain PG and plain VG would be competitive with Boots too.

EGriff

You can get massive bottles of PG and VG on amazon really cheap.

moonboy52

Cheers guys

In the calculator for nicotine strength e-juice(the base bottle of nicotine) (it says 5.4% on the bottle) i put 100%pg, 0%vg and what percentage for the nic into the calculator? i put 50%?

Noob Alert! :P


Right so i buy http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/flavourlessbase.htm

What would the percentages be for adding the concentrate then if i buy 300ml of the base?

EDIT: no matter they are out of stock for now

J Mysterio

Ah, I just try and do the maths myself. I find the calculators confusing.

If, for example, you had 100ml of flavourless PG at 12mg nic and you wanted to flavour to it to be 10% flavour liquid, you could add 10ml of concentrate to 90ml of the flavourless PG and you would have 100ml of flavoured liquid.

Your nic content would go down of course as theres no nic in your concentrate. In this example it would go to 10.8%.

J Mysterio

Another example

Ingredients:
* 100ml VG 0 nic
* 100ml PG 0 nic
* 100ml PG 50 nic
* 20ml concentrate

Mix:
* 40ml of VG 0 nic
* 15ml of PG 0 nic
* 25ml of PG 50 nic
* 20ml of concentrate

Result:
100ml of 60/40 (PG/VG) Liquid flavoured at 20% @ 12.5 nic

Cincentrates are normally PG

moonboy52

J Mysterio wrote: »

Another example

Cheers J

moonboy52

I ordered: (hoping to get 7 30ml bottles (with enough pg to make more later) if i planned it properly for €45) using:

I will buy the 1lite Amazon bottles of PG & VG if this goes ok



Ezsmoke

Nicotine Base (5.4%) PG - 50ml x 1

Propylene Glycol (PG) - 100ml x 1

Concentrate - T-Juice Red Astaire (30ml) x 2


pickandmixdiy.com (new Irish company)

1ml Syringe x 2
Vegetable Glycerine 100ml x 1
nitrile gloves x 1
blunt needle x 1
5ml syringe x 2

moonboy52

Let the DIY Commence



Updated Measurements:

jousting with chairs

An update for you RA lovers.

I got a new T-juice concentrate yesterday which could replace RA as my ADV

http://www.ezsmoke.ie/concentrates-c-4883/601-concentrate-t-juice-black-n-blue-10ml.html

This stuff is really flavourful,only 10ml bottles available atm.
I mixed at slightly under 15% so 10ml bottle and 60ml of 8mg base and like RA it doesn't need any steeping.It also mixes very well with the RA,I had about half a tank of RA left in the Orchid and topped it up with the B&B and wow good stuff.

J Mysterio

I have to try Red Astaire.

Boogietime

jousting with chairs wrote: »

An update for you RA lovers.

I got a new T-juice concentrate yesterday which could replace RA as my ADV

http://www.ezsmoke.ie/concentrates-c-4883/601-concentrate-t-juice-black-n-blue-10ml.html

This stuff is really flavourful,only 10ml bottles available atm.
I mixed at slightly under 15% so 10ml bottle and 60ml of 8mg base and like RA it doesn't need any steeping.It also mixes very well with the RA,I had about half a tank of RA left in the Orchid and topped it up with the B&B and wow good stuff.

Great stuff, thanks for the review! Is the aniseed as strong as in RA? It's the only element I'm not a huge fan of tbh

jousting with chairs

It changes but I get more menthol from it and they really compliment each other when mixed.

LazyPicti

Almost every forum and site i visit talk about RA at some point, where can i buy this stuff, do any of the Irish site's stock it?

EGriff

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/redastaire.htm

I think vapourpal sell it too.

nuttyboy79

LazyPicti wrote: »

Almost every forum and site i visit talk about RA at some point, where can i buy this stuff, do any of the Irish site's stock it?

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/redastaire.htm
Got some today I'm in heaven here

jousting with chairs

I get mine here,he also does the concentrates if you mix your own.

http://www.ezsmoke.ie/26-tjuice-c-4871

I also recommend the Black&Blue.
I've just mixed 70ml each of Jacques Le Mon and Forest Affair and they both smell lush,will keep ye updated on the but I won't be trying them tonight.
T-juice really seemed to have upped their game with these new flavours but then again taste is subjective and ye might hate them.

moonboy52

LazyPicti wrote: »

Almost every forum and site i visit talk about RA at some point, where can i buy this stuff, do any of the Irish site's stock it?

Ezsmoke is where i got it from. They also do concentrates