91 year old woman robbed of the money she saved for her own funeral

Foxhound38

"She just wanted to go home, that is to heaven, those were her words"

:mad:

Fcuking animals that took that money, that's all I can really say about it. How can such creatures sleep at night?

Timberrrrrrrr

****ing scumbags, hopefully they die a slow painful death giving them plenty of time to ponder their actions.

Falthyron

Bloody hell, the Independent sure has turned into a really awful paper. Has it always been this tabloid-y?

DoYouEvenLift

Someone should start a donation page for her, I'd gladly give money to her.


The worst thing is you know people who do sh!t like this do it so they can use the money probably on stupid sh!t like drugs or booze or just materialistic things they don't even need.

Kermit.de.frog

At least it didn't happen in Ireland.

Sheep Lover

I don't understand these threads, all we can say is "let the scumbags hang" or words to that effect. Terrible thing to happen and all.

mikom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1eNW7GG_Q8

K.Flyer

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

At least it didn't happen in Ireland.

Ahhh.. but it does happen and too often.

Falthyron

Sheep Lover wrote: »

I don't understand these threads, all we can say is "let the scumbags hang" or words to that effect. Terrible thing to happen and all.

Exactly.

The primary 'shock value' of this article is the quote: "She just wanted to go home, that is to Heaven, those were her words." If it wasn't for this, it would be another elderly person's home being robbed. While it is certainly a poor reflection on certain people in society, break-ins happen all the time.

How could the thieves possibly have known she was saving the money for her own funeral? For all they knew, that was her stash for her cocaine habit.

Again, I re-iterate, the act is deplorable. Stealing is a disgraceful thing, but it happens. However, the sensationalist focus of this article is designed specifically to rile up the masses when the reality is; it's just another robbery.

Timberrrrrrrr

Falthyron wrote: »

Bloody hell, the Independent sure has turned into a really awful paper. Has it always been this tabloid-y?

So this sort of thing should only be reported in the redtops? :rolleyes:

Tail Docker

Little old lady a few miles up the road, she lives alone. Nice, decent, quiet woman. Of course, the skangbags prey on her mercilessly.

I drive past slowly, with my fingers crossed - one day hopefully they will be coming out/parked at/going into her house. I will reinforce their moral fiber to a high degree with extreme prejudice.

seventeen sheep

They have a good point, asking people to check with elderly relations that money isn't being stored in their home.

A good friend of mine - his granny died a few years ago. For the twenty years previous, she'd been insisting she wanted to be buried wearing a certain blue blouse that was folded up in her wardrobe. Well, the day came, and her children found €15,000 in fifty euro notes folded up in that blue blouse. And a note, saying that it was to cover her funeral, and the remainder to be given to her grandchildren. Isn't it just lucky she'd never been robbed - they wouldn't have been long finding the cash. Her children had no idea she had that sort of money, let alone that she was keeping it in the house!

It's only total utter scumbags that would rob an elderly person like that. Horrible to think of.

Sheep Lover

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So this sort of thing should only be reported in the redtops? :rolleyes:

The sensationalist aspect is akin to the red tops.

Falthyron

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So this sort of thing should only be reported in the redtops? :rolleyes:

It's just another robbery. These happen all the time, especially to elderly people. Is it because she was saving to go to Heaven, that her particular incident should receive media attention? Perhaps a more analytical article would make more sense? Instead of focusing on just one person, why not do some research to show figures of robberies in people's homes during the Christmas period and finish the article with recommending some tips to avoiding break-ins, or asking neighbours to keep an eye out if a local is out of town?

This is Daily Mail stuff at it's lowest.

Timberrrrrrrr

The idiotic snobbery of the last couple of posts is laughable to say the least.

ascophere

Does she not get to go to heaven now because she is poor? Is that how it works? I'll donate some heavenly cash if possible. She should have the chance to confront the thieves in heaven (they will be there obviously because they have all the blessed money.)

Falthyron

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The idiotic snobbery of the last couple of posts is laughable to say the least.

Snobbery?

What makes this lady's ordeal any different to another elderly person experiencing a break-in? Are you suggesting the lady in the article is the only elderly person to experience a break-in during the last two weeks? What makes her break-in worthy of a write-up in a newspaper? If you could be specific, please.

This article should be about a robbery. Everything else the author uses to describe the incident is frivolous window-dressing.

Robbery.
Elderly Person.
Christmas Time.
Advice.
Tips.
Be Careful.

Do you think the thieves planned this meticulously? That they knew she was saving for Heaven and said: "A trip to Heaven is expensive, she will have loads of money. Let's rob her"?

Slanty

New laws need to be passed so the scumbags might think twice about robbing a defenceless person. Lowest of the low in my opinion.

Instead they pass more rubbish motor offenses that only punish the general public.

J Cheever Loophole

Falthyron wrote: »

Again, I re-iterate, the act is deplorable. Stealing is a disgraceful thing, but it happens. However, the sensationalist focus of this article is designed specifically to rile up the masses when the reality is; it's just another robbery.

If more and more people start to treat crimes like this as 'just another robbery', then maybe the time has come to start sensationalising?

Falthyron

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

If more and more people start to treat crimes like this as 'just another robbery', then maybe the time has come to start sensationalising?

And if we begin to sensationalise everything, it produces apathy. How can we get excited/riled-up all the time about everything? We would never be able to distinguish between what is important/relevant and what is trivial/secondary. Furthermore, sensationalism will not deter thieves. Do they read the papers? Probably not.

Sensationalism only stirs up (generally) overreactions. When a crime is committed, we need sense, logic, to remain calm and level headed, not to be calling for people's heads or castration. This is why we have a legal system.

If these thieves are caught, they will be given a sentence commensurate to other crimes. There won't be 'special' conditions attached because it was money for Heaven. It was a robbery and they will face a sentence that matches other robberies.

conorhal

I think that our government should legislate for the specific crime of targeting the elderly and sentencing should reflect that. Whatever you'd get for burglary plus 10yrs.

hmmm

Falthyron wrote: »

Again, I re-iterate, the act is deplorable. Stealing is a disgraceful thing, but it happens. However, the sensationalist focus of this article is designed specifically to rile up the masses when the reality is; it's just another robbery.

I know you're not trying to dismiss the act, but in a way we need more emotion in this. Saying "it's just another robbery" is unfair on the victims - for many people a robbery will be their only experience of crime, and it can be devastating. The perpetrators will do this to 10 other houses that night, and a judge will give them a slap on the wrist.

We need more emotion, we need to hear the stories behind crime, and we need the pampered judges who retreat to their leafy south Dublin estates every evening to understand the impact of so-called low-level crime.

Grayson

conorhal wrote: »

I think that our government should legislate for the specific crime of targeting the elderly and sentencing should reflect that. Whatever you'd get for burglary plus 10yrs.

Define elderly?

Grayson

hmmm wrote: »

I know you're not trying to dismiss the act, but in a way we need more emotion in this. Saying "it's just another robbery" is unfair on the victims - for many people a robbery will be their only experience of crime, and it can be devastating. The perpetrators will do this to 10 other houses that night, and a judge will give them a slap on the wrist.

We need more emotion, we need to hear the stories behind crime, and we need the pampered judges who retreat to their leafy south Dublin estates every evening to understand the impact of so-called low-level crime.

Why do we need to do that. Why do we need to wring our hands and/or scream in outrage? The world is filled with tiny tragedies that occur on every minute of every day. Right now people are dying in hospitals. People are going hungry in their homes. And that's just Ireland. If you want really tragedy there's Syria or even Liberia.

Ireland is one of the safest places on the planet. Events like the one in the story, although tragic, are a rarity. They just seem worse and more frequent because it's reported more often and with more emotive language. Crime, especially violent crime, has dropped every year since the 90's.

And if you're trying to say that our crime is so "bad" because the judges living in their nice houses don't care, do you have any evidence to back that up? Remember violent crime is decreasing. It's been constantly decreasing.

We should have educated discussions about crime, gay marriage, the environment etc... but they should be calm and rational and informed.

DeadHand

Grayson wrote: »

Define elderly?

Aye, this is the thing, it's very much open to interpretation.

However, I do feel strongly that the law should come down heaviest on those who prey on the most vulnerable (the young, the old, the disabled).

kylith

Is it awful that an old woman was targeted? Yes.
Is it likely that she was targeted because elderly people often have money hidden in the house? Probably.

Poor woman, I hope she can get some measure of peace after this.

lazygal

conorhal wrote: »

I think that our government should legislate for the specific crime of targeting the elderly and sentencing should reflect that. Whatever you'd get for burglary plus 10yrs.

1) Define elderly.
2) Define targeting.

bear1

Slanty wrote: »

New laws need to be passed so the scumbags might think twice about robbing a defenceless person. Lowest of the low in my opinion.

Instead they pass more rubbish motor offenses that only punish the general public.

You do realise that this didn't happen in the ROI right?

hmmm

Grayson wrote: »

Ireland is one of the safest places on the planet. Events like the one in the story, although tragic, are a rarity. Crime, especially violent crime, has dropped every year since the 90's.

They're not rare, and people know they're not rare because we hear about them happening in our local communities - particularly in rural areas. I have never known as many burglaries as I hear about today, and I've never seen such impunity by the perpetrators who think nothing about going into a remote property armed with a hammer or a knife. My own grandparents lived out their final years half afraid to sleep in a house which we had to ring with iron bars after repeated burglary attempts - that is unacceptable in any community, despite what any "statistics" say.

High level violent crime may have dropped, but despite what the manipulated crime statistics (ref the recent Garda inspectorate report) say so-called low level crime has not dropped, and if anything most people feel it is increasing - worse, people increasingly feel that low level crime is now tolerated by our judicial system.

conorhal

lazygal wrote: »

1) Define elderly.
2) Define targeting.

1) Above retirement age (68) would be a reasonable benchmark.

2) Does targeting really require further definition?

lazygal

conorhal wrote: »

1) Above retirement age (68) would be a reasonable benchmark.

2) Does targeting really require further definition?

1) Not everyone over 68 is a delicate pensioner. I know pensioners well over that age who'd give me a run for my money in the fitness stakes.
2) How would you go about proving that a person aged 68 years or over was specifically targeted by a burglar? What level of intent are you proposing?

kylith

kylith wrote: »

Is it awful that an old woman was targeted? Yes.
Is it likely that she was targeted because elderly people often have money hidden in the house? Probably.

Poor woman, I hope she can get some measure of peace after this.

House robberies should be taken a lot more seriously by the judicial system. Enough is enough.

The fear I always have is that the scumbags enter a house with someone in it and the people who don't have any money stashed get a worse beating as the scumbags assume they are lying. Wish I didn't think that way :mad:

CB19Kevo

A big rollout of CCTV might help catch some of these people,Technology is there so might as well use it,Really is crazy the amount of break in's occurring at the moment.
Up to individuals to do everything possible to make there homes less of a target though.

Slanty

bear1 wrote: »

You do realise that this didn't happen in the ROI right?

Yes I did realise. So that means it ain't happening down here right?

Idbatterim

a good comment under the independent article...

Knowing this Government they will investigate whether she had tax paid savings. Time to have minimum 10 years for first offence and full restitution for victims.

fastrac

You can go to an undertaker and pay for your funeral and they will do it no matter how long more you live.I got an elderly relative who was in a panic over the funeral to do that.Headstone and all sorted.Headstone man insisted on putting the surname on to prevent it being robbed.

kerry4sam

Re: the op. If anyone finds a donations page, please post it & I'll throw some monies in for her.
God Love Her,

Thanks,
kerry4sam

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

At least it didn't happen in Ireland.

I'd be confident in saying that it does. What also happens in Ireland can be seen in the following links by me taken only this afternoon. A donations box has been pried open; don't think they have CCTV at Tubrid Well at all (yet) but if so, maybe someone can find those responsible...

~ One
~ Two
~ Three.

People leave monies in that donations box in good faith for the great work done by volunteers who look after the grounds.,
kerry4sam

Gran Hermano

kerry4sam wrote: »

Re: the op. If anyone finds a donations page, please post it & I'll throw some monies in for her.
God Love Her,

Thanks,
kerry4sam



I'd be confident in saying that it does. What also happens in Ireland can be seen in the following links by me taken only this afternoon. A donations box has been pried open; don't think they have CCTV at Tubrid Well at all (yet) but if so, maybe someone can find those responsible...

~ One
~ Two
~ Three.

People leave monies in that donations box in good faith for the great work done by volunteers who look after the grounds.,
kerry4sam

Disgusting. They could have used the monies to upgrade it to a class two relic.

Graces7

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

If more and more people start to treat crimes like this as 'just another robbery', then maybe the time has come to start sensationalising?

Exactly. When we depersonalise crime and attitudes to it we lose our humanity. When we consign crimes and pain to statistics we become less than human. There is no such thing as " just another robbery"... that attitude is uncaring and inhuman

Foxhound38

lazygal wrote: »

1) Not everyone over 68 is a delicate pensioner. I know pensioners well over that age who'd give me a run for my money in the fitness stakes.

Great, so in that case the would-be burglars get a hiding as well as an extra 10 years on their sentence. Society wins, no?

Boskowski

On the upside when she dies she'll be just as dead on the cheap.

I know It won't feel like that to her and of course it's aterrible thing to do, but still, in a way it's a bit of a victimless crime.

_asdfghjkl_

Tail Docker wrote: »

Little old lady a few miles up the road, she lives alone. Nice, decent, quiet woman. Of course, the skangbags prey on her mercilessly.

I drive past slowly, with my fingers crossed - one day hopefully they will be coming out/parked at/going into her house. I will reinforce their moral fiber to a high degree with extreme prejudice.

:rolleyes:

Venus In Furs

I know the way it's reported is salacious and rabble-rousing, but I don't agree with being all blasé, "It's just another robbery - they happen all the time" either.
I don't disagree with reporting of these incidents - there's nothing in them to be jaded about.

Tail Docker

Grayson wrote: »

Define elderly?

Anyone over 3. Ya get a year extra sentence for every year over 3 years old that your victim was. Robbing the 3 and unders gets you life.

Tail Docker

_asdfghjkl_ wrote: »

:rolleyes:

What are you rolling yer eyes for? Because the big bad robbers would be too bad and tough? Or no way would we dare give them a hammering? Lol. That's what you think. Roll on.

LoganRice

Awful and tragic news

_asdfghjkl_

Tail Docker wrote: »

What are you rolling yer eyes for? Because the big bad robbers would be too bad and tough? Or no way would we dare give them a hammering? Lol. That's what you think. Roll on.

Yeah you guessed pretty spot on, unless your jackie chan or something there's now way you should be confident enough to WANT to get into a fight against (potentially) a whole gang of lads. What if one of them has a baseball bat or a knife? Unless you just carry around a gun with you 24/7 I guess.

Another reason I'm rolling my eyes is your post always comes up with any of these stories. Always along the lines of "oh if they done that to my wife/mother/friend/child I would do jail time". It's so self congratulatory, go jack off somewhere else

Tail Docker

_asdfghjkl_ wrote: »

Yeah you guessed pretty spot on, unless your jackie chan or something there's now way you should be confident enough to WANT to get into a fight against (potentially) a whole gang of lads. What if one of them has a baseball bat or a knife? Unless you just carry around a gun with you 24/7 I guess.

Another reason I'm rolling my eyes is your post always comes up with any of these stories. Always along the lines of "oh if they done that to my wife/mother/friend/child I would do jail time". It's so self congratulatory, go jack off somewhere else

I live on a farm. We have had skangbags try it on loads of times. I'll pass on the jacking off. The vans laden down with work tools, pick handles in case one breaks etc etc. I also strongly believe all it takes for the scum to win is for decent people to do nothing. Personally, I'd batter em. I know plenty others exactly the same as me. Not everyone is a 9 stone weakling.

If you consider looking out for elderly neighbours as "self congratulatory", maybe it's you who needs to take a look in the mirror. I don't intend changing anyway.

_asdfghjkl_

Tail Docker wrote: »

I live on a farm.

Join the club!

Tail Docker wrote: »

Not everyone is a 9 stone weakling.

LOL, I wish I was nine stone again, but nice attempted insult anyway

Your attitude reeks of someone who has never been in any kind of fight in their life though, It's not about how big and tough you think you are, and you haven't a hope against multiple people (unless you're some kind of ninja like I said)

Tail Docker wrote: »

I also strongly believe all it takes for the scum to win is for decent people to do nothing. Personally, I'd batter em.

Your beliefs won't help you in a fight though, I'm not really sure why you think they would

Tail Docker wrote: »

If you consider looking out for elderly neighbours as "self congratulatory", maybe it's you who needs to take a look in the mirror. I don't intend changing anyway.

It's pretty clear from my post that I was calling your post self-congratulatory, not the act of helping your neighbours, but nice try anyway

Tail Docker

_asdfghjkl_ wrote: »

Join the club!
LOL, I wish I was nine stone again, but nice attempted insult anyway

Your attitude reeks of someone who has never been in any kind of fight in their life though, It's not about how big and tough you think you are, and you haven't a hope against multiple people (unless you're some kind of ninja like I said)

Your beliefs won't help you in a fight though, I'm not really sure why you think they would

It's pretty clear from my post that I was calling your post self-congratulatory, not the act of helping your neighbours, but nice try anyway

I had a giggle there, thanks for that. Are you a jogger?

_asdfghjkl_

Nope and I have no idea what you mean by that.

Forgot to mention, I like the implication you made that any 1 person who can't single handedly "batter" a group of others is a "9 stone weakling"