cross compliance and flock register

davidk1394

Username John wrote: »

I record the medicine in the bird Bia book, and a notebook I have - but is there somewhere else for the dept I should have it? Some official medicine book I should be using?

Nope that's fine... it what we do as well just have a few tag numbers wrote in aswell... once all the sheep look well if their indoors and good straw under them and the book looks ok.. there should be no problem... the one thing our inspector told us is that, the tractor should not be parked in the same shed as straw otherwise it is an instant fail

ganmo

davidk1394 wrote: »

Nope that's fine... it what we do as well just have a few tag numbers wrote in aswell... once all the sheep look well if their indoors and good straw under them and the book looks ok.. there should be no problem... the one thing our inspector told us is that, the tractor should not be parked in the same shed as straw otherwise it is an instant fail

never heard that before
it makes sense as a fire risk prevention but cross compliance?

AnFeirmeoir

Re medicines. What do others write down when dosing. Its not pratical to enter all tag numbers. I usually write something like "all breeding ewes" or "lambs not for sale within 2months" but i don't know if this is good enough.

Also on the disposal of empty dosing bottles. Does the cross compliance care how/where they were disposed of?
I think Bord Bia has some rule on this but im not in Bord Bia.

razor8

AnFeirmeoir wrote: »

Re medicines. What do others write down when dosing. Its not pratical to enter all tag numbers. I usually write something like "all breeding ewes" or "lambs not for sale within 2months" but i don't know if this is good enough.

Also on the disposal of empty dosing bottles. Does the cross compliance care how/where they were disposed of?
I think Bord Bia has some rule on this but im not in Bord Bia.

Do the same, eg all lambs not fit or lambs in a particular field, or the number of lambs done that day or with certain mark and always been fine

Your vet is supposed to take empty bottles, mine does but keeps no records

Green farmer

Cannt remember the last one i injected a sheep for anything. This year felt like I was keeping the flystrike and wormer manufacturers in business though, along with the vitamin cobalt lads as well. I so the same with my records , blanket dose all lambs etc and make sure nothing is sold before withdrawal dates.

Username John

Green farmer wrote: »

Cannt remember the last one i injected a sheep for anything. This year felt like I was keeping the flystrike and wormer manufacturers in business though, along with the vitamin cobalt lads as well. I so the same with my records , blanket dose all lambs etc and make sure nothing is sold before withdrawal dates.

Do you not inject the ewes with covexin or Hep before lambing green?

Green farmer

Missed it out last year. Had the medicine bought but didn't get around to administering it. But will do it this year. One job I don't like doing with ewes near their time.

sea12

Green farmer wrote: »

Missed it out last year. Had the medicine bought but didn't get around to administering it. But will do it this year. One job I don't like doing with ewes near their time.

Yes I am the same. Hate handling them when they are close to lambing but it does pay to admin it

tabby aspreme

Had the tags /flock register inspection yesterday , all seemed to go well, a bit of scrub to remove , though I won't be fully clear until I get the dispatch docket book returned. Thanks for all the advice lads

Green farmer

While cleaning up scrub , Anyone know if you can top rushes etc to clean up a field at this time of year ? If the ground was dry of course:)

Connemara Farmer

Green farmer wrote: »

While cleaning up scrub , Anyone know if you can top rushes etc to clean up a field at this time of year ? If the ground was dry of course:)

I can't think why not, once like you say you wouldn't be doing damage.

rangler1

Sheep inspection today at 10oc, he tells me he wants them all in.....a new guy in these parts.
I'm still on crutches so I'll take my time.
No doubt I'll know more about the rules at the end of the day

jfh

we had a full compliance check two weeks ago, reason was we did order enough EID tags in 2013.
guy came unannounced, he was alright(when handled the right way) checked 3/4 of sheep,luckily we had almost all sheep tagged, few new EID tags had fallen off but you could see that sheep were tagged once.
will be keeping a tighter handle on the flock register book from now on.

rangler1

jfh wrote: »

we had a full compliance check two weeks ago, reason was we did order enough EID tags in 2013.
guy came unannounced, he was alright(when handled the right way) checked 3/4 of sheep,luckily we had almost all sheep tagged, few new EID tags had fallen off but you could see that sheep were tagged once.
will be keeping a tighter handle on the flock register book from now on.

You're supposed to get 48hrs notice....
All they can check with a no notice inspection is feed management and animal welfare,
they then have the give you the option of the 48hrs for identification and registration inspection

jfh

not for the full compliance check, the guy was actually out the field counting the cattle & checking sheep before he came into the yard to notify us who he was. He did give us until the following day to bring in the sheep alright but he went through most of the stuff on day one..

rangler1

jfh wrote: »

not for the full compliance check, the guy was actually out the field counting the cattle & checking sheep before he came into the yard to notify us who he was. He did give us until the following day to bring in the sheep alright but he went through most of the stuff on day one..

Most farmers want it over the first day and let them carry on

rangler1

jfh wrote: »

not for the full compliance check, the guy was actually out the field counting the cattle & checking sheep before he came into the yard to notify us who he was. He did give us until the following day to bring in the sheep alright but he went through most of the stuff on day one..

He's just after leaving, no problems or penalties, they have better records of my transactions than I have....even the shows I brought sheep to,
They're really watching us now

orm0nd

rangler1 wrote: »

He's just after leaving, no problems or penalties, they have better records of my transactions than I have....even the shows I brought sheep to,
They're really watching us now

they must really love you, what with shows and selling rams singularly etc., you keep them in a job

jfh

Good stuff. Yeah I saw the records of all sales, surprised to see it.

sea12

If u buy in ewes with 1 tag ( old ewes pre electronic tags ), do you still tag them with your own stabdard tag in right ear or do you order an electronic tag with their own number matching the left ear

yetihead

I think you can take out the old tag and replace with a new EID pair of tags of your own but you record the original old tag number she had and the new one you have given her in your register. If it is an old style tag I don't think you can order a matching EID.

I have just had an inspection and did not have knackery dockets for deaths recorded in my register. I was up front with the inspector and told him the animals didn't make it to the knackery (foxes very active in these parts etc.) Everything else is fine but he says the lack of dockets is a problem. Does anyone have suggestions on how to proceed?

Nekarsulm

Beg, crawl, promise to be good boy in future, and ultimately resign yourself to a cut, I'm afraid.

Nekarsulm

You have already explained to the inspector, and such actions are illegal probably. The Dept. read this and other forums.

yetihead

Yes you are right of course. Lesson learned - I'll just have to plead my best then take the consequences. Found the inspector to be reasonable and understanding so can have no complaints on that front

Nekarsulm

yetihead wrote: »

Yes you are right of course. Lesson learned - I'll just have to plead my best then take the consequences. Found the inspector to be reasonable and understanding so can have no complaints on that front

Many inspectors have sheep/stock themselves, and know how quickly arseways things can go. But there is always some higher level above them who have to justify their own position.

rangler1

yetihead wrote: »

Yes you are right of course. Lesson learned - I'll just have to plead my best then take the consequences. Found the inspector to be reasonable and understanding so can have no complaints on that front

Not having enough deaths registered with the department will make an inspection more likely.
I find the department guys ok, you can't expect them to risk their jobs, their inspections can be audited too