Feminists 1, lingerie 0

Zulu

It would appear that there's at least one feminist that isn't finished burning bras! McTeirnan over at the IT seems to think doing your job at a fashion show is women hating. (link)

To quote "Hozier is au fait with the word misogyny. Hozier should not be standing on a London stage as the inert backdrop to a bunch of breasts. He is worth more than that. More than Victoria’s Secret were paying him anyway."

I guess if you want to sell underwear you probably shouldn't display it.

Kudos Ms McTeirnan, you clown.

wtf

anncoates

I think some people's lives would be far less stressful - and AH far more easier to read - if we simply accepted that the edicts delivered by some columnists in some liberal middle class media may be at worst, plain wrong, and at best, a minority view.

Grayson

Could someone explain the gist of the article. All the melodrama was a bit overpowering. I got halfway through and had to give up. At that point I still had no idea what was going on.

(is she related to Niamh Horan perhaps?)

DoYouEvenLift

RobYourBuilder

Can we round up all these gender war pugilists and just fire them in the general direction of the US via a rocket?

Delirium

Grayson wrote: »

Could someone explain the gist of the article. All the melodrama was a bit overpowering. I got halfway through and had to give up. At that point I still had no idea what was going on.

(is she related to Niamh Horan perhaps?)

columnist is a fan of Hozier + his music. Hozier sings at a runway show for Victorias Secrets. Columnist dislikes the runway shows. Is upset Hozier did something (sing at the runway show) she doesn't think he should have. Decides to suggest he is somehow engaging in something that is misogynistic. :rolleyes:

anncoates

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Definitely an expert commandeering of the high ground there.

newport2

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Can we round up all these gender war pugilists and just fire them in the general direction of the US via a rocket?

Just make sure you wear an acceptable shirt when doing it.

Shrap

Yes, fire them off. The US is welcome to the increase of angst between the genders.

I consider myself a feminist, a strong independent woman who is a great example of equality to my sons and I also like sexy underwear and Hozier (not necessarily in that order). These elements in myself are not incompatible, nor do they require any cognitive dissonance.

I fail to see the problem. In fact Hozier's name is quite apt for the job, no?

hosier (ˈhəʊzɪə) n
1. (Clothing & Fashion) a person who sells stockings, etc
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

ho•sier (ˈhoʊ ʒər) n.
a person who makes or deals in hose or goods knitted or woven like hose.

DoYouEvenLift

anncoates wrote: »

Definitely an expert commandeering of the high ground there.

Just putting a face to the joyful writing.

Shrap wrote: »

Yes, fire them off. The US is welcome to the increase of angst between the genders.

I consider myself a feminist, a strong independent woman who is a great example of equality to my sons and I also like sexy underwear and Hozier (not necessarily in that order). These elements in myself are not incompatible, nor do they require any cognitive dissonance.

I fail to see the problem. In fact Hozier's name is quite apt for the job, no?

hosier (ˈhəʊzɪə) n
1. (Clothing & Fashion) a person who sells stockings, etc
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

ho•sier (ˈhoʊ ʒər) n.
a person who makes or deals in hose or goods knitted or woven like hose.

Plot twist: he's secretly wearing the latest Victoria secret laundret while on stage himself

newport2

Zulu wrote: »

To quote "Hozier is au fait with the word misogyny. Hozier should not be standing on a London stage as the inert backdrop to a bunch of breasts. He is worth more than that. More than Victoria’s Secret were paying him anyway."

I love how she uses the word "misogyny" in her disapproval and then goes and refers to these women as "a bunch of breasts" herself in the next sentence.

anncoates

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Just putting a face to the joyful writing.

If that picture is trying to imply that any gender obsessed crackpot online is, by default, unattractive, you seen blissfully unaware of the parallel implications that has for you and your coterie.

Shrap

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Plot twist: he's secretly wearing the latest Victoria secret laundret while on stage himself

*Fans self with nearby prospectus before heading for cold shower* Thank you, I shall just be a minute.....

"Take me to church...."

Potatoeman

What was the quote about. "Why did I groe up in a homophobic place? Why did I grow up in a misogynistic place?"

anncoates

newport2 wrote: »

I love how she uses the word "misogyny" in her disapproval and then goes and refers to these women as "a bunch of breasts" herself in the next sentence.

I think we can all safely agree that it's a ridiculous article.

One eyed Jack

Grayson wrote: »

Could someone explain the gist of the article. All the melodrama was a bit overpowering. I got halfway through and had to give up. At that point I still had no idea what was going on.

(is she related to Niamh Horan perhaps?)

Journalist tries to make a name for herself by going overboard on the obfuscation to insinuate misogyny where there is none, using language like the following little gem -

We had come to love you and your steadfast support of difference. We saluted your penetration of the more conservative markets - here and in the US - with your rapier lyrics.

I imagine she'd a good giggle to herself at how clever she was that she came up with that all by herself.


Oh, attn. OP - One feminist (singular), does not represent the views of all people who identify as feminist. It shouldn't really need to be pointed out to you at this stage, unless you willfully engage in a bit of sensationalist headline grabbing yourself, while criticizing a journalist for doing so.

cherryghost

I'm so ****ing lost. Why was this written?

tinkerbell

What a stupid article. It's actually an incredible opportunity for Hozier to perform at the VS Fashion Show - it's broadcast to millions of people worldwide, that kind of exposure is priceless to an artist who is fairly new to the industry.

Shrap

cherryghost wrote: »

I'm so ****ing lost. Why was this written?

Paper never refused ink. "Reporters" who court controversy sell papers. Sad, but true.

DoYouEvenLift

anncoates wrote: »

If that picture is trying to imply that any gender obsessed crackpot online is, by default, unattractive, you seen blissfully unaware of the parallel implications that has for you and your coterie.

Oohh such assumptions, much conclusions!

Omackeral

I will be happy if I don't hear the words 'misogyny' and 'feminism' throughout the entire calendar year of 2015.

Grayson

SW wrote: »

columnist is a fan of Hozier + his music. Hozier sings at a runway show for Victorias Secrets. Columnist dislikes the runway shows. Is upset Hozier did something (sing at the runway show) she doesn't think he should have. Decides to suggest he is somehow engaging in something that is misogynistic. :rolleyes:

So Hozier is a musician. He sounds like a type of underwear.

hfallada

Irish times throws in a few wtf articles a week. Such as the women who caught her husband chreating on her. He actually was just watching porn and masturbating to it, as she didnt have sex with him for 6 months.

But every other Irish papers is completely full of ****. At least the Irish times is mostly unbiased

anncoates

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Oohh such assumptions, much conclusions!

I think you've found your perfect profile summary.

tritium

Ah its the Irish times, they have two or three writers who I suspect make most people who identify as feminists cringe (the IT troika-mulally/ mctiernan/ Clarke).

Stupid article, I was under the impression that women shouldnt be subject to abuse for what they choose to wear.

FTA69

You’ve told us your sins and we’ve sharpened our knife, Hozier.

Oh f*ck off. The man is a wildly popular musician, I don't think he's going to sh*t himself because of a shower of whinge bags at the Irish Times. Christ above.

DoYouEvenLift

anncoates wrote: »

I think you've found your perfect profile summary.

Just because you seem to feel she's unattractive doesn't mean I do. I think she's a strong, beautiful woman.

TheBeardedLady

Two Irish artists with a song of the same title out in the last year. That's the only interesting thing I took from that article.

Duggy747

The word misogyny is beginning to lose it's meaning to me when every day I've been hearing and seeing it for pretty much every single subject a blogger / journalist can think of.

Tomorrow in an opinion piece / Someone's blog:

Smart Phones - The true face of misogyny

EDIT: Googled it for the craíc and sure enough some eejit actually wrote an article about smart phone technology and misogyny :pac:

valoren

"Professional" Musician in high profile Gig shocker.

bodice ripper

I am offended by how poorly written that article is.

catallus

Duggy747 wrote: »

EDIT: Googled it for the craíc and sure enough some eejit actually wrote an article about smart phone technology and misogyny :pac:

OMFG, have you actually read that it's hilarious!

"My phone is too big for my hands, damned misogyny, all the while people are getting tear-gassed" And she's serious :pac::pac::pac:

And she's an Assistant professor You could not make that shít up!

suicide_circus

anncoates wrote: »

I think we can all safely agree that it's a ridiculous article.

Pretty hell bent on wrapping this thread up, aren't you? Close the thread, anncoates has spoken. Here endeth the lesson.

tritium

catallus wrote: »

OMFG, have you actually read that it's hilarious!

"My phone is too big for my hands, damned misogyny, all the while people are getting tear-gassed" And she's serious :pac::pac::pac:

And she's an Assistant professor You could not make that shít up!

Oh my god she must hate tablets, the spawn of a misogynistic devil!

Education is wasted on some people

Shrap

Duggy747 wrote: »

EDIT: Googled it for the craíc and sure enough some eejit actually wrote an article about smart phone technology and misogyny :pac:

Oh dear, oh dear. The reason for her ire appears to be this: "PATHETIC Photo I TOOK IN GEZI PARK TRYING TO DOCUMENT TEAR GAS WITH A PHONE TOO BIG FOR MY HANDS"

Please note, this is not a feminist issue. In fact, I feel justified in altering the well known phrase "It's a poor workman who blames his tool" to "It's a poor workwoman who blames her lack of a tool".

FFS. Makes me despair of what people think equality is these days :mad:

Seriously?

tritium wrote: »

Oh my god she must hate tablets, the spawn of a misogynistic devil!

Education is wasted on some people

More likely the type of education is at fault here, a degree in victimology via some gender-'science' department or some other such feminist rubbish.

Shrap

Seriously? wrote: »

More likely the type of education is at fault here, a degree in victimology via some gender-'science' department or some other such feminist rubbish.

I'd prefer you didn't call it "feminist" rubbish tbh. It's just plain old stupidity, not feminism.

AboutaWeekAgo

You can't blame the man for wanting to sing a few songs while a bunch of half naked supermodels walk up and down in front of him. Not a bad way to make a living.

catallus

"I cursed that what was taken for granted by the male designers and male users of modern phones was simply not available to me.

I cursed that I could not effectively document how large numbers of ordinary people had come to visit a park were being massively tear-gassed because I simply could not take a one-handed picture.

I especially cursed that I could not lift the camera above my head, hold it steadily *and* take a picture—something I had seen countless men with larger hands do all the time."

It is pure gold

anncoates

anncoates wrote: »

I think some people's lives would be far less stressful - and AH far more easier to read - if we simply accepted that the edicts delivered by some columnists in some liberal middle class media may be at worst, plain wrong, and at best, a minority view.

To do that would remove the raison d'etre from so many of the soapboxers and ultra repetitive posters who like to talk these things around in circles, as though they actually matter.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the rest of us are getting along just fine.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Pretty hell bent on wrapping this thread up, aren't you? Close the thread, anncoates has spoken. Here endeth the lesson.

He's got it nailed.

It's yet another nutjob comment being put out there as though it's got some kind of mainstream significance. I could put some beauties off Return of Kings or AVFM, but thankfully I'm aware that most men and women know a nutjob comment when they see it and don't feel the need to pretend that I'm persecuted by the musings of some hack that can barely string a coherent sentence together, never mind a coherent opinion. And I certainly don't hold the general population of men responsible in part or in whole, nor do I expect them to queue up to condemn the words of nutters, nor assume them in agreement if they don't.

But carry on, I await the usual flurry of youtube links of extremists I would otherwise have never heard of, imagined consequences to the fabric of society, insane extrapolations regarding the interactions between the sexes, and last but not least, some PUA evangelism for the sheer fun of it all.

RWCNT

There should be a separate forum where dopes can post links to the ramblings of weirdoes and use it as an excuse to slag feminism. It's taken over a pretty sizeable amount of AH.

Carlos Orange

catallus wrote: »

OMFG, have you actually read that it's hilarious!

"My phone is too big for my hands, damned misogyny, all the while people are getting tear-gassed" And she's serious :pac::pac::pac:

And she's an Assistant professor You could not make that shít up!

The best part is that she has a Nexus 4.

Shrap

catallus wrote: »

"I cursed that what was taken for granted by the male designers and male users of modern phones was simply not available to me.

I cursed that I could not effectively document how large numbers of ordinary people had come to visit a park were being massively tear-gassed because I simply could not take a one-handed picture.

I especially cursed that I could not lift the camera above my head, hold it steadily *and* take a picture—something I had seen countless men with larger hands do all the time."

It is pure gold

It's pure muppetry. And the stupid is hurting my head. This is a woman who does not understand that if you (as a woman) wish to have equality, you do not start by complaining that a tool was not made for your gender. You just pick up the feckin tool and get the hang of it.

And I speak as someone who can ably use a chainsaw (one that suits my size), build a dry stone wall, drive a tractor and NOT get treated like I'm going to hurt myself or can't do the job right. That's equality, not demanding a fecking tractor to suit my dainty little hands. Jesus H. I so hate that the word "feminism" has been hijacked by people who wouldn't know equality if it hit them, and that goes for both genders actually.

drumswan

Candie wrote: »

To do that would remove the raison d'etre from so many of the soapboxers and ultra repetitive posters who like to talk these things around in circles, as though they actually matter.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the rest of us are getting along just fine.



He's got it nailed.

It's yet another nutjob comment being put out there as though it's got some kind of mainstream significance. I could put some beauties off Return of Kings or AVFM, but thankfully I'm aware that most men and women know a nutjob comment when they see it and don't feel the need to pretend that I'm persecuted by the musings of some hack that can barely string a coherent sentence together, never mind a coherent opinion. And I certainly don't hold the general population of men responsible in part or in whole, nor do I expect them to queue up to condemn the words of nutters, nor assume them in agreement if they don't.

But carry on, I await the usual flurry of youtube links of extremists I would otherwise have never heard of, imagined consequences to the fabric of society, insane extrapolations regarding the interactions between the sexes, and last but not least, some PUA evangelism for the sheer fun of it all.

Except these feminists are attempting to codify anti-feminism as hate speech.

They are a problem, its no use just dismissing them as crackpots and telling people that people like the author in the article arent actually feminists at all. She is a feminist and has a credible voice among them. They get to publish article after article in the national press.

They are spearheading an insidious political movement in Europe and need to be exposed for what they are,

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/libe/dv/11_revframework_statute_/11_revframework_statute_en.pdf

jaja321

The whole thing is ridiculous. They are models, modelling underwear, for a company that sells underwear. How is that an issue?

anncoates

suicide_circus wrote: »

Here endeth the lesson.

Chance would be a fine thing.

catallus

Who cannot be a feminist?!; equal pay for equal work is what its all about!

Potatoeman

catallus wrote: »

"I cursed that what was taken for granted by the male designers and male users of modern phones was simply not available to me.

I cursed that I could not effectively document how large numbers of ordinary people had come to visit a park were being massively tear-gassed because I simply could not take a one-handed picture.

I especially cursed that I could not lift the camera above my head, hold it steadily *and* take a picture—something I had seen countless men with larger hands do all the time."

It is pure gold

I find many phones too small for me but thats because they are made for the Asian market. You have to wonder why she bought the device instead of just getting a smaller one.

KomradeBishop

Oh look, a feminist somewhere on the Internet said something stupid, time for another AH thread.

anncoates

KomradeBishop wrote: »

O time for another AH thread.

At what stage can it be classified as a loosely organized campaign?