fastest+healthiest way to lose weight

berger89

after putting on almost 1 stone on the last year…think I'm looking for a quick fix though i know its gonna take time and effort!

whats the best exercise to lose weight? I'm thinking walking/jogging and cycling??

Alf Veedersane

Sorting your diet out is far more important than exercise choice.

To answer your question, the best exercise is the one you will do and enjoy doing.

But to lose weight, it's your diet that will have the biggest impact.

deadybai

Try and cut out extra calories and fat in you diet. That helped me a lot. I gave up eating cheese, cut down on milk and gave up other stuff like biscuits. Another example would be stop putting gravy and salt on your dinner, stop putting sugar in your coffee, stop drinking tea in the morning time just for the sake of warming yourself up. Cut out the extra stuff.

Start trying to eat something healthy for every meal. Eggs for breakfast, low fat vegetable soup and a chicken sandwich for lunch and then something not too fatty for dinner. Try eat as many vegetables as you can. Fruit can be high in sugar so dont eat too much of it. A few years ago someone told me to try and eat some vegetables with every meal and that really worked for me,. Most importantly I would try and eat the food you actually enjoy eating. I look forward to my soup everyday! I remember before I was eating some horrible stuff like rice crackers! I think they are vile :pac: .

Really though I dont think there is a quick fix. A quick fix would really be eating perfectly everyday and working your arse off at the gym. If you have the time then go for that.

As for exercise. Again it depends. Running at a high speed in intervals each day is good for burning fat but your knees would be shook. Try a combination of fat burning exercises when you work out. Im no expert but I would say anything thats high intensity burns most fat. A 10 minute sprint would burn more than a 30 minute jog (I think!) if you get me.

laoch na mona

deadybai wrote: »

stop drinking tea in the morning time
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that's crazy talk

shamrock55

laoch na mona wrote: »

deadybai wrote: »

stop drinking tea in the morning time
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that's crazy talk

I think he means with sugar

boardie100

i've lost over a stone in the last 12 weeks and the diet is the hardest part.... if you can cut down on junk food, white break, alcohol... you are 50% there...

berger89

cheers!! all sound advice!!!
gonna get my arse into gear now before xmas…none of this starting in january business.
will take all your advice on board, thank you!

Alf Veedersane

If you Google Scooby's Workshop Calorie Calculator, you can work out how much you need to be eating.

Then get onto MyFitnessPal to track what you're eating and drinking. It relies on quantities (and honesty) so a small digital scales might be worth getting. You won't need to use it long term because before long you'll be able to judge quantities by eye.

And just do something you enjoy doing. Anything.

But get your food right. Good luck.

Bruno26

berger89 wrote: »

after putting on almost 1 stone on the last year…think I'm looking for a quick fix though i know its gonna take time and effort!

whats the best exercise to lose weight? I'm thinking walking/jogging and cycling??

Remove all processed food with added ingredients, consume under 150 grams of carbohydrate daily, do weights and sprints.

Another poster said avoid fat, eat low fat veg soup and eat lots of veg- bit of a contradiction. Don't eat cheese etc. This is bad advice.

Eat full fat. Eat good quality cheese if you want. Avoid low fat processed food products.

Scared Hitless

Bruno26 wrote: »

Eat full fat. Eat good quality cheese if you want. Avoid low fat processed food products.

Why full fat? Do you mean full fat milk and cheese?

Bruno26

Scared Hitless wrote: »

Why full fat? Do you mean full fat milk and cheese?

Why not full fat? Yes milk and cheese. 50/60 years ago there was no such thing as low fat. There only was full fat milk. Fat is good for us.

berger89

I'm gone really bad for chocolate in the last few months which I think means I am lacking in magnesium and I can get that from fruit/veg/nuts I think?
I know my diet has defo gone to ****. Coz of the job I'm at, I only eat a dinner 2 times per week..after that iota crap food. Not takeaways or anything, but wraps or rolls or something, followed by a bar of chocolate for "dessert". 'm no where near as active as I once was, but I've really no excuses. It's down to me to make the change.

niamhstokes

I don't have a weight problem but i saw this REALLY cool documentary on netflix called Fat Sick and Nearly Dead. The guy basically goes on a juicing diet for a few weeks and loses tons of weight and his health problems all get cancelled out. It's worth it for anyone to have a look. ANyone can learn from what is shown in the documentary. www. fatsickandnearlydead.com

nice_guy80

stop buying and eating shíte food

Don Kedick

Don't be too strict on yourself. It's easy for people to say just don't eat crap, of course this would work but it's hard to go from eating loads of crap to eating no crap. Especially if you want to make it a permanent lifestyle change. So slowly cut back or replace. If you're eating a mars bar and a kitkat for break, just drop the kitkat. If you stop in the chippers 5 times a week change it to 3 times a week. If you have 2 chocolate biscuits with your tea that has 2 spoonfuls of sugar in it then change that to having 1 biscuit and 1 sugar.
Eventually you'll be replacing the mars bar with a banana, you wont be going to the chippers at all and cooking healthy food at home, you'll be having no sugars in your tea while eating a pear. It will be a slow process though, wean yourself off your processed food/sugary diet. It's the best way to get results long term. Trying to lose a load of weight quickly can work for some people but for many of them they put the weight back on soon after.

generic2012

Sit ups

Thepoet85

Good diet and regular exercise would seem the most logical answer. dieting shouldn't be an option in my opinion as it would be a lifestyle change that a person should be aiming for. Just my two cents

berger89

as it is, my only downfall is chocolate..but saying that, it could be a freddo bar per day kind of thing, or a dairy milk every 2nd day.
i never have takeaways (might go for Thai with friends once a month or 2 months),
I never eat deep fried or fried food
I have wrap instead of bread
No potatoes
No sugar in my tea
No crisps
No processed foods
Porridge/weetabix for breakfast.

Just my lack of activity is the majority of the problem methinks.. been looking into getting a hybrid bike, so ill treat myself for Christmas with one!

laoch na mona

berger89 wrote: »

as it is, my only downfall is chocolate..but saying that, it could be a freddo bar per day kind of thing, or a dairy milk every 2nd day.
i never have takeaways (might go for Thai with friends once a month or 2 months),
I never eat deep fried or fried food
I have wrap instead of bread
No potatoes
No sugar in my tea
No crisps
No processed foods
Porridge/weetabix for breakfast.

Just my lack of activity is the majority of the problem methinks.. been looking into getting a hybrid bike, so ill treat myself for Christmas with one!

while it's good to eat healthy food you won't lose weight without a calorie deficit, that is eat less then your body needs to maintain its current weight.

so you could start exercising more which would increase how many calories you burn a day but unless you have a calorie deficit you won't lose weight.

cycling is great but you should also keep a food diary for a week or 2 to see exactly how much you are eating

generic2012

berger89 wrote: »

No potatoes

Per calorie, potatoes have the highest (i think) satietion effect of any food ie. they are the most filling food for the least amount of calories. Seeing as the vast majority of people seem to have a morbid fear of counting calories, which would put them in total control of their diet, so the last thing people trying to lose weight should remove from their diets is potatoes. Massive amounts of nutrients in them too.

Don't be racist, don't shun the all the whites cuz they're white, cuz.

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

Per calorie, potatoes have the highest (i think) satietion effect of any food ie. they are the most filling food for the least amount of calories. Seeing as the vast majority of people seem to have a morbid fear of counting calories, which would put them in total control of their diet, so the last thing people trying to lose weight should remove from their diets is potatoes. Massive amounts of nutrients in them too.

Don't be racist, don't shun the all the whites cuz they're white, cuz.

Did you find that from the same study that said cornflakes and sugar was more filling than eggs and bacon? You fail to mention that potatoes have a GI above 80. You don't need to stop eating them but limiting them will assist in the process.

To be in total control of your diet just eat the right foods- no need to count calories at all. The appestat will regulate the appetite.

Bruno26

berger89 wrote: »

as it is, my only downfall is chocolate..but saying that, it could be a freddo bar per day kind of thing, or a dairy milk every 2nd day.
i never have takeaways (might go for Thai with friends once a month or 2 months),
I never eat deep fried or fried food
I have wrap instead of bread
No potatoes
No sugar in my tea
No crisps
No processed foods
Porridge/weetabix for breakfast.

Just my lack of activity is the majority of the problem methinks.. been looking into getting a hybrid bike, so ill treat myself for Christmas with one!

Exercise is brilliant but you shouldn't need to exercise to maintain weight. You can't out exercise a bad diet. Obviously it will help and get you into better shape but it's mostly down to diet. Try eating dark chocolate 70% or above to satisfy cravings.

_Brian

niamhstokes wrote: »

I don't have a weight problem but i saw this REALLY cool documentary on netflix called Fat Sick and Nearly Dead. The guy basically goes on a juicing diet for a few weeks and loses tons of weight and his health problems all get cancelled out. It's worth it for anyone to have a look. ANyone can learn from what is shown in the documentary. www. fatsickandnearlydead.com

But was that not the one where te guy drinks three tins of red bull before taking the blood tests.
It really wouldn't take much to improve from that.

Juicing fruit an veg ruins the fibre. Eat te damn things the way they grow.

Bruno26

Don Kedick wrote: »

Don't be too strict on yourself. It's easy for people to say just don't eat crap, of course this would work but it's hard to go from eating loads of crap to eating no crap. Especially if you want to make it a permanent lifestyle change. So slowly cut back or replace. If you're eating a mars bar and a kitkat for break, just drop the kitkat. If you stop in the chippers 5 times a week change it to 3 times a week. If you have 2 chocolate biscuits with your tea that has 2 spoonfuls of sugar in it then change that to having 1 biscuit and 1 sugar.
Eventually you'll be replacing the mars bar with a banana, you wont be going to the chippers at all and cooking healthy food at home, you'll be having no sugars in your tea while eating a pear. It will be a slow process though, wean yourself off your processed food/sugary diet. It's the best way to get results long term. Trying to lose a load of weight quickly can work for some people but for many of them they put the weight back on soon after.

Much better to get rid of all the crap at once. First week or so will be difficult but if you have the will power to get through it will gradually become easier and soon you won't crave any sugary food.

Alf Veedersane

Bruno26 wrote: »

Much better to get rid of all the crap at once.

Different strokes for different folks.

Bruno26

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Different strokes for different folks.

Indeed. Just giving an opinion. Whatever works for the individual.

mada82

I went on the forever living clean 9 detox recently because I needed quick results to motivate me.

Lost 11 pound in 9 days.

Once I finished it the craving for bad food was gone and I started eating much healthier and I am still losing 1/2 pound a week.

My sister sells it, I used to slag her about it but after trying it myself I found it a great kick start.

Beaner1

mada82 wrote: »

I went on the forever living clean 9 detox recently because I needed quick results to motivate me.

Lost 11 pound in 9 days.

Once I finished it the craving for bad food was gone and I started eating much healthier and I am still losing 1/2 pound a week.

My sister sells it, I used to slag her about it but after trying it myself I found it a great kick start.

Pyramid selling scheme nonsense.

JJJJNR

I stopped eating dinners in the evening, and started having a boiled egg with toast as my evening time meal, it was hell for the first few weeks as I had major cravings but I got used to it and was drinking water when I was hungry, now I'm running 4 times a week, about 4k a night of hill work, and combine it with outdoor gym work and the weight has dropped off big time.

I'm up at 5.30 and only have a glass of water with an omega 3 capsule for starters, then get to work about an hour later I load up at breakfast but would be sensible enough, porridge with water, raisins and a splash of milk, wholemeal bread toasted with butter, banana, mandarin and coffee.

Lunch would be a chicken wrap with salad no dressing, soft drink or water, and either a kit kat or crisps, and that would be it till 7.30 then as above.

mada82

Beaner1 wrote: »

Pyramid selling scheme nonsense.

How is it nonsense if I got results.
Dismissing something without trying it or knowing someone who tried it is nonsense.

Essien

mada82 wrote: »

How is it nonsense if I got results.
Dismissing something without trying it or knowing someone who tried it is nonsense.

Because the same end result can be achieved by just having a good diet. There's no need to 'detox' or spend a heap on forever products.

And it absolutely is a pyramid scheme, that's not even up for debate. FTR, my ma used to sell it.

sheesh

I have had good results with the gym in the past and currently too
being and older fatter individual
I was told to do low intensity stuff like
30 mins walking on treadmill
15 on bike
3 mins rowing
1 min cross trainer

lost 6 pounds in 2 weeks

Go down to a gym and ask for a program. Forget all this really intense stuff unless you are young and already fit.

Alf Veedersane

JJJJNR wrote: »

I stopped eating dinners in the evening, and started having a boiled egg with toast as my evening time meal, it was hell for the first few weeks as I had major cravings but I got used to it and was drinking water when I was hungry, now I'm running 4 times a week, about 4k a night of hill work, and combine it with outdoor gym work and the weight has dropped off big time.

I'm up at 5.30 and only have a glass of water with an omega 3 capsule for starters, then get to work about an hour later I load up at breakfast but would be sensible enough, porridge with water, raisins and a splash of milk, wholemeal bread toasted with butter, banana, mandarin and coffee.

Lunch would be a chicken wrap with salad no dressing, soft drink or water, and either a kit kat or crisps, and that would be it till 7.30 then as above.

How long have you been doing that for?

mada82

Essien wrote: »

Because the same end result can be achieved by just having a good diet. There's no need to 'detox' or spend a heap on forever products.

And it absolutely is a pyramid scheme, that's not even up for debate. FTR, my ma used to sell it.

No diet will lose 11 pounds in 9 days. The OP is looking a quick result.
I don't care whether it's a pyramid scheme or not. It got me great fast results that motivated me to continue when it was finished.

Essien

mada82 wrote: »

No diet will lose 11 pounds in 9 days. The OP is looking a quick result.

That's debatable, but I'd guess any diet that requires you to starve yourself for the first 9 days would come pretty close.

Either way, good for you that it worked and all, I'm just saying it's complete unnecessary (not to mention ridiculously expensive).

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

Did you find that from the same study that said cornflakes and sugar was more filling than eggs and bacon? You fail to mention that potatoes have a GI above 80. You don't need to stop eating them but limiting them will assist in the process.

To be in total control of your diet just eat the right foods- no need to count calories at all. The appestat will regulate the appetite.

Are you drunk? I said on a per calorie basis. Read the post a few times. These are links on eggs http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/111/2 and potatoes http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2770/2 unfortunately they weren't written by lunatics trying to fleece other lunatics but try and read them anyway.

The Glycemic Index? Really? That's been thrown out decades ago. It's not even used for diabetics any more. It can't be properly measured or predicted in a real life scenario so what benefit could it possibly be? It sounds sciency which means it's perfect for fooling people, which is why high fat snake oil authors are the ones who preach it the most.

Do you know what 'the appestat' is? It's a very poorly understood, extremely complicated cacophony of physical and hormonal feedback loops. You don't seem to even understand calories in vs. calories out, don't pretend you understand appetite regulation.

Spuds are savage.

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

Are you drunk? I said on a per calorie basis. Read the post a few times. These are links on eggs http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/111/2 and potatoes http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2770/2 unfortunately they weren't written by lunatics trying to fleece other lunatics but try and read them anyway.

The Glycemic Index? Really? That's been thrown out decades ago. It's not even used for diabetics any more. It can't be properly measured or predicted in a real life scenario so what benefit could it possibly be? It sounds sciency which means it's perfect for fooling people, which is why high fat snake oil authors are the ones who preach it the most.

Do you know what 'the appestat' is? It's a very poorly understood, extremely complicated cacophony of physical and hormonal feedback loops. You don't seem to even understand calories in vs. calories out, don't pretend you understand appetite regulation.

Spuds are savage.

Are your posts aggressive because you've reached your calorie limit for today?

Those lunatics are making lots of money and the lunatics buying the message are losing lots of weight and the key thing is they're keeping the weight off.

Nothing wrong with potatoes- indisputable that reducing consumption of potatoes helps with weight loss.

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

Are your posts aggressive because you've reached your calorie limit for today?

Those lunatics are making lots of money and the lunatics buying the message are losing lots of weight and the key thing is they're keeping the weight off.

Nothing aggressive about my posts? Are misinterpreting the meaning of the word 'fact' again?

Not them all, some one gave you a link of peeople who had gained weight on high fat diets before, of course you brushed it off. Every controlled observation of people eating more calories than they expend, even with high fat diets. And of them that are losing weight is because of reduced intake of calories.

But of course you wont provide evidence for your ridiculous claims.
You demand evidence for anyone else's claims
And when the evidence is provided you wont accept it.

Bruno26 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with potatoes- indisputable that reducing consumption of potatoes helps with weight loss.

If there's nothing wrong with them why did you find the need to pull the Glycemic Index out of the hat?

Reduction of anything will help lose weight. Unless of course you reduce 500g of spuds and replace it with, let's say, 500g of butter. In which case you would be taking away 465 calories but replacing it with 3585 calories, which would lead to ridiculous amounts of weight gain.

laoch na mona

mada82 wrote: »

How is it nonsense if I got results.
Dismissing something without trying it or knowing someone who tried it is nonsense.

it may work but it is unnecessarily difficult, but hey it's your choice, I,ve never tried to lose weight that quickly but unless someone is cutting drastically(and then i would as why rush) something that strict is setting up for failure

theres more then one ways to skin a cat and all that so what ever works for you

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

Nothing aggressive about my posts? Are misinterpreting the meaning of the word 'fact' again?

Not them all, some one gave you a link of peeople who had gained weight on high fat diets before, of course you brushed it off. Every controlled observation of people eating more calories than they expend, even with high fat diets. And of them that are losing weight is because of reduced intake of calories.

But of course you wont provide evidence for your ridiculous claims.
You demand evidence for anyone else's claims
And when the evidence is provided you wont accept it.



If there's nothing wrong with them why did you find the need to pull the Glycemic Index out of the hat?

Reduction of anything will help lose weight. Unless of course you reduce 500g of spuds and replace it with, let's say, 500g of butter. In which case you would be taking away 465 calories but replacing it with 3585 calories, which would lead to ridiculous amounts of weight gain.

I presume you're talking about books by Sisson and Noakes. Do you mean anyone who reads these books is a lunatic?

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote:

I presume you're talking about books by Sisson and Noakes. Do you mean anyone who reads these books is a lunatic?

why did you qoute my post if you're going to ignore it? are you going to provide any evidence to refute my claims or any evidence to back up your own claims?

yosser hughes

This must be one of the worst forums for thread being derailed by arguments.
It's tiresome, it really is

Don Kedick

yosser hughes wrote: »

This must be one of the worst forums for thread being derailed by arguments.
It's tiresome, it really is

Shut yo mouth Tosser Hughes. :P

generic2012

yosser hughes wrote:

This must be one of the worst forums for thread being derailed by arguments. It's tiresome, it really is

If it was left as is, it would be the forum with the most misinformation too. Apart from the religious forums, it's the only one where it is ok to pedal nonsense that not only has no evidence behind but actually flies in the face of fact, logic, reason, rationality and nearly every single field of science.

It's unbelievable. Where, apart from the religious forums, could you say evidence, science, fact and logic doesn't matter and that opinion based on wishful thinking trumps all?

If you went to a physics thread and said you don't believe in gravity because you read in a book it doesn't exist, you'd be lambasted and that's in the unlikely event of people thinking you're serious.

If you told someone to walk off a cliff because gravity doesn't exist, and they did it, you'd be arrested. But saying calories don't matter and that you should eat as much 'good fats' (all fats apart from synthetic trans fats) as you want/can, even though it is a fact that over consuming calories and fat is detrimental to health, is ok in this forum.

Apologists are just as culpable, stupid people will give stupid advice, but the people who know it's dangerous advice should be saying so, and if they don't they're just as guilty.

lachin

yosser hughes wrote: »

This must be one of the worst forums for thread being derailed by arguments.
It's tiresome, it really is

I agree, every thread ends up being an argument about lchf, no one diet/eating plan/way of life fits all but some posters constantly try to ram their views down the throats of every one else. So many original posts have been lost in the constant squabbling , because that is all it is , between a few.

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

why did you qoute my post if you're going to ignore it? are you going to provide any evidence to refute my claims or any evidence to back up your own claims?

You talk some amount of dung. You derailed this thread as usual. Go back over my posts in this thread- try pick out something that was wrong. Why are you constantly referring to past threads that have nothing to do with this one?

JJJJNR

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

How long have you been doing that for?

About 3-4 months now, gone from a 38w, to less than a 36w it's not much of a change training wise as I've done two marathons, and a couple of half's, but big change in diet, which is really paying off.

I don't want to eat in the evenings now at all, just the light meal and don't snack apart from a rich tea with a coffee.

Alf Veedersane

JJJJNR wrote: »

About 3-4 months now, gone from a 38w, to less than a 36w it's not much of a change training wise as I've done two marathons, and a couple of half's, but big change in diet, which is really paying off.

I don't want to eat in the evenings now at all, just the light meal and don't snack apart from a rich tea with a coffee.

It just doesn't sound like very much food? I'm surprised you've sustained it that long. Maybe there's more in it than it sounds.

JJJJNR

I should add I'm also doing downhill mtb, so it's very physical on the core and legs, so maybe that is helping.

It's enough food I think, I'm hydrating properly during the day, drink about 1.5 Ltr water, the boiled egg and toast is just enough to keep the metabolism kicked in also.

Alf Veedersane

JJJJNR wrote: »

I should add I'm also doing downhill mtb, so it's very physical on the core and legs, so maybe that is helping.

It's enough food I think, I'm hydrating properly during the day, drink about 1.5 Ltr water, the boiled egg and toast is just enough to keep the metabolism kicked in also.

I don't mean the weight loss - congrats on it, btw - but that it sounds like you're eating a LOT fewer calories than you burn. Keeping hunger at bay is one thing, eating enough another.

But, like I said, there might be more in it than it reads.

JJJJNR

There might be the odd apple and banana between breakfast and again in the afternoon, both fairly high in calories, my understanding is once you can keep your metabolism ticking, by eating smaller amounts regularly, it has positive effects.