When the robots do our work for us how will we get paid

ghogie91

Id put a robot to shame

KungPao

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Jobs in supermarkets are literally being replaced by robots and we can see that for ourselves. I could see jobs that require a pilot / driver becoming a thing of the past thanks to gps controlled cars / planes.

Trains yes. I can see what would be essentially giant train sets being run from a control room.

But although a pilot doesn't do much for what, 95 percent of a flight? He does hell of a lot for take off, landing, and emergency situations.

You wouldn't catch me in an fully-automated aeroplane!

The Diabolical Monocle

Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine an international legislation would exist, wherein robots can't be used for X, Y and Z, because those roles are for humans. So you'll never have a robot serve you in a cafe (and the likes of self service in Tesco will be done away with).


That's what I'd see happening, anyway.

Brown envelopes will still exist for that kind of responsibility craic.

As ever.

seamus

There are a certain amount of jobs that robots will never really be able to replace humans. Do the job, definitely, but replace people I don't think so.

Music is one of the big examples. For years, scientists have been examining music and coming up with algorithms that write their own music, and predicting that within X number of years, machines will write the best songs.

But as any musician who's in any way attempted to become professional will tell you, being successful is only barely related to having good songs. There's a whole host of other things - charisma, energy, passion, and just plain luck that someone needs to be a successful artist.

There's a reason why keyboard and other kinds of electronic music died in the 80s and why plain old strings and percussion are still as popular as ever - because music conveys more than just the tune. There's passion and pain and energy in there. There's a world of difference between sitting in a pub listening to your favourite band on the jukebox and watching them play the exact same music, but live.

You can't get a robot to communicate on the baser human level.

KungPao

seamus wrote: »

There are a certain amount of jobs that robots will never really be able to replace humans. Do the job, definitely, but replace people I don't think so.

Music is one of the big examples. For years, scientists have been examining music and coming up with algorithms that write their own music, and predicting that within X number of years, machines will write the best songs.

But as any musician who's in any way attempted to become professional will tell you, being successful is only barely related to having good songs. There's a whole host of other things - charisma, energy, passion, and just plain luck that someone needs to be a successful artist.

There's a reason why keyboard and other kinds of electronic music died in the 80s and why plain old strings and percussion are still as popular as ever - because music conveys more than just the tune. There's passion and pain and energy in there. There's a world of difference between sitting in a pub listening to your favourite band on the jukebox and watching them play the exact same music, but live.

You can't get a robot to communicate on the baser human level.

Electronic music makes up most of the charts. Awful soulless stuff created on computers, that sounds like it was created by a robot, funnily enough, but it still sells by the bucket load to the masses.

Yogosan

Working longer hours for less pay is a race to the bottom. Working hours have increased while at the same time automation has massively increased. How can this be the case? Profits are only going one way these days. Google predicting a a 4 hour week while paying corporation tax of 0.5% is laughable.

Large companies are able to force people to work long hours for crap pay and if the employee complains or tries to unionise they will be replaced by a more than willing unemployed person. Workers complain about the unemployed and their taxes paying for their food and shelter, this anger is misdirected. Take a look at youth unemployment across Europe. The jobs simply are not there. If 9 to 5 workers halved their workload and allowed younger workers pick up the slack, everyone would win. The company would have happier employees, employees will be paid more as they will no longer be expendable and won't have to work crippling hours. It also means people will have more time to dedicate themselves to working in the public interest. How many people even have the time these days to excercise their democratic duty? Not enough is the answer, which is why we have the current shower of fools lording over us.

Unfortunately large companies beholden to shareholders cannot see the forest for the trees. It's about what is profitable in the few years. Not what is profitable in a human lifetime.

Thi problem is going to be the biggest human rights issue of the next century.

In Praise Of Idleness - By Bertrand Russell

ScumLord

seamus wrote: »

Music is one of the big examples. For years, scientists have been examining music and coming up with algorithms that write their own music, and predicting that within X number of years, machines will write the best songs.

I'd say they're half way there, the only difference is that they use human robots instead of actual robots. Pop music is something where I say they play it by numbers, they can work out what people like, fix a pretty face on it that's told precisely how to act and then through their networks ensure that any competition is ignored by the people who push pop music.

But as any musician who's in any way attempted to become professional will tell you, being successful is only barely related to having good songs. There's a whole host of other things - charisma, energy, passion, and just plain luck that someone needs to be a successful artist.

A lot of that is down to the market being saturated. There's also a minority of companies controlling the saturation of the market.

You can't get a robot to communicate on the baser human level.

Yet, but it's becoming more and more obvious that humans are highly predictable machines and at the very least AI can predict what humans like and feed them that.

Yogosan

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ScumLord wrote: »

I'd say they're half way there, the only difference is that they use human robots instead of actual robots. Pop music is something where I say they play it by numbers, they can work out what people like, fix a pretty face on it that's told precisely how to act and then through their networks ensure that any competition is ignored by the people who push pop music.

A lot of that is down to the market being saturated. There's also a minority of companies controlling the saturation of the market.

Yet, but it's becoming more and more obvious that humans are highly predictable machines and at the very least AI can predict what humans like and feed them that.