N86 - Tralee to Dingle [advance works ongoing for Phase 3]

marno21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240049#Comment_120240049

Yeah the council and TII get flack here but they’re not the ones behind this policy.

What makes that policy of cutting back this project absolutely demented is that all public transport to Dingle uses this road and it has a significant active travel portion. It’s hardly a motorway

Pete_Cavan

I'd say it's a case of it being very expensive to upgrade relative to the benefit from it. They also fecked up the active travel provision on the already upgraded sections, should have been a wider path on one side only and greater separation from the road.

marno21

https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/council-to-write-to-transport-infrastucture-ireland-to-request-next-stage-of-n86-road-works-begin-immediately-331601

Paddico

Never seen a project of this type to drag as much

marno21

Tender documents for the remainder of the Ballynasare-Ballinclare & Ballygarret-Doonore being prepared.

spacetweek

When those two parts are done, is that the whole scheme finished?

If not what other stretches will be left undone?

marno21

N86 Tralee-Dingle (27km)

96% of the land required for this scheme has been acquired as of Q1 2023.

a. Dingle-Lispole (10.7km)

b. Lispole-Ballynasare (2.7km) [completed in 2018]

c. Ballynasare-Ballinclare (4km) [tender documents being prepared]

d. Ballinclare-Annascaul (0.8km) [construction underway, completion Q3 2023]

e. Annascaul-Gortbreagoge (4km) [completed in 2012]

f. Gortbreagoge-Ballygarret (9.6km) [section of this has advance works ongoing since 2018, 3.3km section planned, now reduced to 2.3km from Ballygarret to Doonore North, tender documents being prepared for section tbc]

g. Ballygarret-Camp (1.1km) [completed in 2018]

h. Camp Upper-Camp Lower (1.3km)

It's section b and an undetermined stretch of section f in this tender.

There'll still be 20km or so left to do after.

marno21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120813840#Comment_120813840

Section C absolutely. Hard to keep up at times. :)

marno21

Quite bonkers at times imo that this isn’t being progressed in the current political environment.

https://twitter.com/anluandunne/status/1683548295954612226?s=46

Money to burn and a pro cycling MoT and it hasn’t advanced much at all. Low hanging fruit

marno21

 N86 Ballynasare Lower to Ballinclare andDoonore North to Ballygarret

• Tender Documents are being prepared for this 5.5km scheme which made up of two sections to facilitate earthworks balance.

• Subject to TII approval it is planned to publish the Tender Notice for this Contract in Q4 2023 and to have the contract awarded in Q1 2024 with works being carried out in 2024, 2025 and 2026 

Finally may see white smoke on this in early 2024. It's five years now since the last major section was opened to traffic

marno21

https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/council-is-to-write-to-department-of-transport-and-tii-regarding-progressing-the-next-stage-of-the-n86-works-360926

This should really be going ahead in 2024. I remember Kerry starting advance works on these two sections in 2018 and hoping they would commence soon after.

The new 800m section between Annascaul and Ballinclare is fantastic but feels way too short.

At the current rate the scheme is being delivered at a rate of approx 500m per year. The entire scheme would take 54 years to deliver at that pace.

Chris_5339762

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120893922#Comment_120893922

Thats because its marketed as a "new road" and not "active travel". Eamon Ryan doesn't see the benefits unless those last two words are in it.

cjpm

Kerry CC managed to keep progressing this scheme through the darkest days in the history of the finances of this country. Fair play to them. Always moving forward. They put Cork CC to shame. The IMF were in town and the N86 was kept going…

Now there’s plenty of money in the Gov, and the posh bike sales man has basically put a halt to it. Another appalling decision from a fella not fit for his office.

The local FG and FF TD’s should be roaring from the rooftops about it. That’s if they had any balls between the whole lot of them. No wonder Griffin isn’t running again. He would get hammered. And Norma can’t figure out if the definition of a woman has balls or not……..

God this country really is a shït show.

idi na khuy hai

It doesn't have to be a **** show.

Let's make sure that Ryan and his deluded Rainbow Unicorn alphabet soup brigade don't get near government ever again at the next election.

Use your vote wisely, folks.

marno21

https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/tii-says-tralee-to-dingle-road-funding-is-for-land-costs-and-preparing-documents-382547

Confirmed 2024 is another year of pissing around.

Paddico

How long has this scheme been going on. Is there a reason why it wasnt done in one single go?

lordleitrim

Thread created 10 years ago....that Baltimore bridge in the US that collapsed will be rebuilt in a fraction of time that this will be completed!

marno21

https://www.etenders.gov.ie/epps/cft/prepareViewCfTWS.do?resourceId=3933708

I'm just gonna lump this in here with the N86 discussion as it's not a very active thread, but tender out for engineering consultancy services for Phase 5 of the Dingle Relief Road

spacetweek

According to this the route will be “from Strand Street towards the High Road and connecting the car park in Green Street”.

https://www.seamuscosaifitzgerald.com/upcoming-projects

So the route in Google maps looks like

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/52.1429396%2C-10.2728573/52.1401691%2C-10.2733932

lottpaul

I'm not sure if many locals are too worried about this section ever being finished. The missing link will only bring traffic down onto Strand Street/The Tracks from the High Road/Goat St./existing relief road. That place is congested enough as it is and very heavily used by pedestrians.

More importantly creating another access into the Green St car park could/would effectively make the car park into a new access road. People would just drive through it to get to the church or Green St itself creating all sorts of safety issues.

cantalach

Would having that road enable Green St to be pedestrianised?

Aside: In all my years going to Dingle, I never knew there was a car par off Green St!

Quackster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122413763#Comment_122413763

Yeah, this is exactly what is intended.

lottpaul

It would be nice but I don't know how possible it would be to pedestrianise Green St.

You would need to maintain regular access to the church and Gáirdín Mhuire Day Care centre for starters. Deliveries to the various shops, pubs and restaurants would need access too. Greys Lane would become a cul de sac with nowhere to turn at the top of it. If there's a plan I'd love to see it and see what solutions they have in mind - they being Kerry Co Co I presume.

marno21

• The Tender Documents have been prepared for a Contract compromising of twosections (between Ballynasare Lower and Ballinclare and between Doonore Northand Ballygarret) totalling 5.5km.
• The cost estimate for this Contract has been forwarded to the TII for their approval.
• Tender Documents for an Advanced Fencing Contract (between Ballynasare Lowerand Ballinclare and between Doonore North and Ballygarret) are currently beingprepared with a view to fencing the lands in advance of the Main Contract.

Latest from KCC.

mydiscworld

If the Healy-Rae brothers join the Govt coalition we might see this built a lot quicker.

Pale Red

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122928585#Comment_122928585

Could be slower to ensure the machinery is hired for a looong time. They may look for Farranfore to Killarney being given high priority as their price.

marno21

https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/west-kerry-councillor-asked-to-watch-language-during-heated-rant-on-lack-of-progress-on-n86-432392

Council confirms no construction in 2025.