IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

DamagedTrax

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Funny cos everyone i spoke to in work today used the same words to describe them

gob****e idiots, lowlifes

probably because they could see the mayhem a few scrotes were causing.

given your views as you present them, im pretty sure the people you associate will will be generally similiar to you, given that mine are to me.

so what you say has as little relevance to me, as what i said has to you.

Bob24

Satriale wrote: »

Jaysis Bob, put your tinfoil hat back on the radiation is getting to you.;)

And these very wise and well argument words are a perfect way to end the discussion.

chopperbyrne

I'm happy to pay water charges if the tax that was introduced last time they were opposed is removed and USC is lowered.

This won't happen under this government though, so we'll have to hope the next government can find some way to do it, when all of the budgets require that income.

blacklilly

I haven't read the entire thread, I just don't have time, what with having to work and all, anyway, I digress.

Why is it that this water charge has put some people over the edge?

I have more of an issue with property tax and USC tbh, yet I didn't see or hear the level of protesting we are now witnessing when these charges came into effect.

Could it be assumed that the reason there is the level of protesting we are witnessing with regards to the water charges, be due to the possibility that a large proportion of those who are protesting don't pay USC, property tax etc?

Merely just a suggestion; I'm not a fan of generalisations.

BoJack Horseman

chopperbyrne wrote: »

I'm happy to pay water charges if the tax that was introduced last time they were opposed is removed and USC is lowered.

This won't happen under this government though, so we'll have to hope the next government can find some way to do it, when all of the budgets require that income.

Next month income tax rates drop.

Most workers will benefit far more than the €160 that IW will cost.

littleblackDRS

naughtb4 wrote: »

Not everyone lives within 30 mins of Dublin and has multiple ways of getting home.

It wasn't even just people in the city affected, I was waiting for the 67 from Maynooth for nearly 2 hours, and the buses just weren't turning up, we didn't have a clue what was going on. There were loads of people waiting, and it was freezing cold. I thought I'd have to get a taxi home, not that I even have the money for that.

Bob24

blacklilly wrote: »

I haven't read the entire thread, I just don't have time, what with having to work and all, anyway, I digress.

Why is it that this water charge has put some people over the edge?

I have more of an issue with property tax and USC tbh, yet I didn't see or hear the level of protesting we are now witnessing when these charges came into effect.

Could it be assumed that the reason there is the level of protesting we are witnessing with regards to the water charges, be due to the possibility that a large proportion of those who are protesting don't pay USC, property tax etc?

Merely just a suggestion; I'm not a fan of generalisations.

This is what I have been thinking since the protest started.

They realised too late, but trying to introduce a charge which will impact pretty much every single person is the country was political suicide in the current environment.

DamagedTrax

blacklilly wrote: »

I haven't read the entire thread, I just don't have time, what with having to work and all, anyway, I digress.

Why is it that this water charge has put some people over the edge?

I have more of an issue with property tax and USC tbh, yet I didn't see or hear the level of protesting we are now witnessing when these charges came into effect.

Could it be assumed that the reason there is the level of protesting we are witnessing with regards to the water charges, be due to the possibility that a large proportion of those who are protesting don't pay USC, property tax etc?

Merely just a suggestion; I'm not a fan of generalisations.

Water charges were just a catalyst. the reason is nearly 7 years of austerity measures aimed at the middle and lower classes, while the rich once again benefit from a massive wealth shift.

Trond

DamagedTrax wrote: »

the sentiment amongst most of my working mates was 'if it can help change things then whats 1 evening of travel chaos?'

all joyfully working and paying their taxes.

none needed taxis yesterday. once you got to christchurch, busses were running that direction.

Didn't hear one person say that in work today. The water protest didn't cause the traffic problems last night.

Most people were well prepared for the main water protest marches and the disruption they were due/likely to cause.

No one was prepared for the traffic chaos that was caused by sudo republican rent a mob knuckle draggers sitting on O'Connell Bridge and Abbey St.

hju6

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Next month income tax rates drop.

Most workers will benefit far more than the €160 that IW will cost.

For the past 7 years taxes and charges have risen, wages have been lowered, working hours increased.

And we are expected to be grateful for a few quid in January?

hmmm

Bob24 wrote: »

This is what I have been thinking since the protest started.

They realised too late, but trying to introduce a charge which will impact pretty much every single person is the country was political suicide in the current environment.

There seems to be a mass of people who are angry with everything and just looking for something to latch onto.

There's plenty of people who like living on state handouts who object to being asked to pay for anything.

There's a group of Republicans who like causing as much trouble as possible.

There's a mobilisation of Sinn Fein supporters once they spotted an opportunity.

There's a small minority of people who object to the way IW itself has been set up.

There's a small group of hard-left TDs who have hijacked the protests for their own agenda.

It's very like the Seanad vote - a load of people, all voting the same way for completely different reasons, with no coherent idea as to what exactly it is they are looking for. This sort of incoherent rage causes a vacuum, and people like SF & the SWP rush in to be seen as leading the charge. Listening to them would be a stupid way to try and run a country, this is why we have elections.

DamagedTrax

Trond wrote: »

Didn't hear one person say that in work today. The water protest didn't cause the traffic problems last night.

Most people were well prepared for the main water protest marches and the disruption they were due/likely to cause.

No one was prepared for the traffic chaos that was caused by sudo republican rent a mob knuckle draggers sitting on O'Connell Bridge and Abbey St.

im not claiming they supported the action, none of us did. but they just didnt see it as something to get hysterical about like some are.

and i know there were many many situations were people got fck'd on a really cold night. again, i feel terrible for them. they got caught up in something that had nothing to do with the real protest.

but in the case of people i know that got caught, they werent overly bothered.

Tinkersbell

hju6 wrote: »

For the past 7 years taxes and charges have risen, wages have been lowered, working hours increased.

And we are expected to be grateful for a few quid in January?

Don't forget the other few quid, the €100 bribe, that FG/Lab will pay you for signing up and paying your water tax.
You won't get that until September, at the earliest, though.

Never thought I'd see the day when a government would so blatantly use bribes to get people to pay a tax.

These tossers have no shame.

shinzon

denhaagenite wrote: »

Don't worry about him, he's at the same game for weeks now. I have a distinct feeling that the money for his water wouldn't be coming out of his pocket even if he was going to pay it. My guess is single, under 20, unemployed, living with parents.

There's a couple more of the shouty ones like Tony AH and Tinkerbell that you won't get any sense out of. I've time for some of them but I think these in particular are purposely losing support for the movement. They're just at odds with everything and water charges are the face they're putting on it. Much like many of the other protestors.

You just love your guesses don't you and labelling people keep going because your so wide of the mark it makes you look completely clueless although by your posts you are doing a fine job by yourself and don't need my help

Shin

end of the road

maximoose wrote: »

I like how you edited it from "act of terrorism" to "attempted murder", you should never go 100% bullshît. 70% seems safe.

it was an act of verminry, terrorism, attempted murder, thuggery, criminality, and the rest. they're was and is no excuse or defence for it.

Valetta

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Don't forget the other few quid, the €100 bribe, that FG/Lab will pay you for signing up and paying your water tax.
You won't get that until September, at the earliest, though.

Never thought I'd see the day when a government would so blatantly use bribes to get people to pay a tax.

These tossers have no shame.

You do realise the reason for the rebate, rather than just charging less?

And no- it's not a bribe.

shinzon

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Most workers.

Being the operative words ofc

Shin

Plates

hju6 wrote: »

For the past 7 years taxes and charges have risen, wages have been lowered, working hours increased

Indeed. It's called a recession.

Bob24

hmmm wrote: »

There seems to be a mass of people who are angry with everything and just looking for something to latch onto.

There's plenty of people who like living on state handouts who object to being asked to pay for anything.

There's a group of Republicans who like causing as much trouble as possible.

There's a mobilisation of Sinn Fein supporters once they spotted an opportunity.

There's a small minority of people who object to the way IW itself has been set up.

There's a small group of hard-left TDs who have hijacked the protests for their own agenda.

It's very like the Seanad vote - a load of people, all voting the same way for completely different reasons, with no coherent idea as to what exactly it is they are looking for. This sort of incoherent rage causes a vacuum, and people like SF & the SWP rush in to be seen as leading the charge. Listening to them would be a stupid way to try and run a country, this is why we have elections.

Exactly - and it is the perfect opportunity as these groups know they can count on various level of support from the public because the change is impacting everyone.

Would not happen with property tax as half the groups you mentioned would have though "f**k the rich/landlords".

hju6

hmmm wrote: »

There seems to be a mass of people who are angry with everything and just looking for something to latch onto.

There's plenty of people who like living on state handouts who object to being asked to pay for anything.

There's a group of Republicans who like causing as much trouble as possible.

There's a mobilisation of Sinn Fein supporters once they spotted an opportunity.

There's a small minority of people who object to the way IW itself has been set up.

There's a small group of hard-left TDs who have hijacked the protests for their own agenda.

It's very like the Seanad vote - a load of people, all voting the same way for completely different reasons, with no coherent idea as to what exactly it is they are looking for. This sort of incoherent rage causes a vacuum, and people like SF & the SWP rush in to be seen as leading the charge. Listening to them would be a stupid way to try and run a country, this is why we have elections.

And there's a hell of a lot of people who just vote for the same incompetents over and over again, incompetents who have brought us to the situation we are in now, and when the incompetents raise and make up new taxes to cover the mess they have made, the same dumb voters clamour to pay and defend the taxes.

blacklilly

hmmm wrote: »

There's plenty of people who like living on state handouts who object to being asked to pay for anything.

This is my issue, from my observation on these protesters many are not hit in terms of prsi, usc, property tax etc and the suggestion of them paying for a service (any service) has them in utter revolt.

end of the road

hmmm wrote: »

Obviously I've no idea what happend in that incident, but looking at that video it struck me that many people would be terrified to be surrounded by people with their faces masked, waving republican flags and acting agressively to block the road. If I thought for a minute that myself or my kids were at risk I'd have no hesitation in driving through them.

so you're as bad then, you're a terrorist? grand so

shinzon

hmmm wrote: »

Hundreds of thousands of people who didn't join your protest were trying to get home after a hard day at work. The people forced into paying for taxis were those who get the LUAS/bus into work and wouldn't exactly be loaded.

Never was so much owed by so many because of so few.

People don't seem to be to pushed when there forced to pay for Taxis home when there pissed out of the heads on a Saturday night, but because it was scummers on a bridge it was an inconvenience to get home

:rolleyes:

Shin

Tinkersbell

denhaagenite wrote: »

Don't worry about him, he's at the same game for weeks now. I have a distinct feeling that the money for his water wouldn't be coming out of his pocket even if he was going to pay it. My guess is single, under 20, unemployed, living with parents.

There's a couple more of the shouty ones like Tony AH and Tinkerbell that you won't get any sense out of. I've time for some of them but I think these in particular are purposely losing support for the movement. They're just at odds with everything and water charges are the face they're putting on it. Much like many of the other protestors.

LOL,
I pay more tax in this banana republic in a month than you do in a full year, I'd wager.
IW will be destroyed, don't worry about that and you can pigeon hole people as much as you like on here.
You just look foolish doing it.

hju6

Plates wrote: »

Indeed. It's called a recession.

Thanks for clearing that one up, :rolleyes:

Idbatterim

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yeah I have had enough of all the freeloaders! If this whole Irish water debacle has done anything, it has only further fuelled my disgust at the sheer amount of wasters here. If they are so unhappy, and a few euro a week is going to make or break them, I strongly suggest doing something about your situation!

shinzon

blacklilly wrote: »

This is my issue, from my observation on these protesters many are not hit in terms of prsi, usc, property tax etc and the suggestion of them paying for a service (any service) has them in utter revolt.

in otherwords were back to the dissident dole scummers argument, round and round we go where it stops everyone knows

Shin

DamagedTrax

Plates wrote: »

Indeed. It's called a recession.

seemed like it was quite a selective recession.

recession in itself is going to hurt the middle & working classes more than the rich. seems counter-intuitive for government to go after the people the recession actually affects rather than the ones who could actually help prop up the hardest hit areas of society without it hurting too much.

but then again that would require a government with a shred of empathy. something FG have shown they clearly have no time for.

blacklilly

shinzon wrote: »

People don't seem to be to pushed when there forced to pay for Taxis home when there pissed out of the heads on a Saturday night, but because it was scummers on a bridge it was an inconvenience to get home

:rolleyes:

Shin

Well unless you'd rather people drink drive, then the only option for many is to pay for a taxi after a night out.

I don't see any relevance in your post

end of the road

denhaagenite wrote: »

Don't worry about him, he's at the same game for weeks now. I have a distinct feeling that the money for his water wouldn't be coming out of his pocket even if he was going to pay it. My guess is single, under 20, unemployed, living with parents.

There's a couple more of the shouty ones like Tony AH and Tinkerbell that you won't get any sense out of. I've time for some of them but I think these in particular are purposely losing support for the movement. They're just at odds with everything and water charges are the face they're putting on it. Much like many of the other protestors.

nonsense. tony a is one of the best contributers here.