Abuse of charity?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I had a chat with a guy I know last night. He was telling me his parents had moved, from a council house they bought in 2006, into rented accommodation. They had to have a double rent for their moving in date, and he was laughing that they got 200 from SVdP in one town, 200 from svdp in the town they were moving to, 300 euro from a Sinn Fein councillor, a 50 euro voucher for dunnes stores from one of the svdp, and will get another one next week, and they got money from the community welfare officer to buy stuff for the house.

I know this family through my brother. He was in school with their son, back in 2004-2006, (when they bought the house).
They got more mortgage than they actually needed, because I remember they bought a 2006 car with the left over money. From me knowing them since 2004 they changed their car every year up until this year.

They went to Spain this year and are going to Leeds at the end of this month for four days. Their daughter has an iPhone.

To say I'm disgusted is an understatement. I'm a bit surprised charities hand out cash so easily. And there is absolutely no sign of any personal responsibility. It's living a champagne lifestyle on a lemonade wage, that everyone else
Pays for.

BBDBB

Hate the game not the players

Lau2976

I would agree with the above post. I prefer to give charity money to local, transparent charities. There is a great one in my locality that would be my main one and they hold a meeting every year to explain what every cent they received went on. They also take donations if items of your reluctant to hand money over.

hfallada

Charities attitudes are if you are coming to us, you must be in a bad place. Like the soup kitchen in will have the odd student looking for a free meal. But they never return as it isnt worth sitting in the middle of homeless people.Its not fair for charities to put in place restrictions that could slow giving money to people who need it, because the odd few abuse the system

Did you tell that guy he is parents are ****ing disgusting for abusing charity? I dont know how they can sleep at night abusing generosity.

ColeTrain

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I had a chat with a guy I know last night. He was telling me his parents had moved, from a council house they bought in 2006, into rented accommodation. They had to have a double rent for their moving in date, and he was laughing that they got 200 from SVdP in one town, 200 from svdp in the town they were moving to, 300 euro from a Sinn Fein councillor, a 50 euro voucher for dunnes stores from one of the svdp, and will get another one next week, and they got money from the community welfare officer to buy stuff for the house.

I know this family through my brother. He was in school with their son, back in 2004-2006, (when they bought the house).
They got more mortgage than they actually needed, because I remember they bought a 2006 car with the left over money. From me knowing them since 2004 they changed their car every year up until this year.

They went to Spain this year and are going to Leeds at the end of this month for four days. Their daughter has an iPhone.

To say I'm disgusted is an understatement. I'm a bit surprised charities hand out cash so easily. And there is absolutely no sign of any personal responsibility. It's living a champagne lifestyle on a lemonade wage, that everyone else
Pays for.

I find it hard to believe that their son would openly tell you all of this?

Also, their daughter has an iPhone? Jesus.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

ColeTrain wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that their son would openly tell you all of this?

Also, their daughter has an iPhone? Jesus.

His son is living with a good friend of mine, for your information. Their son is nothing like them either, he actually works and lives within his means.

Also, she's 14. A 14 year old does not need an iPhone if they're so destitute they need handouts

Kevin McCloud

ColeTrain wrote: »

Also, their daughter has an iPhone? Jesus.

We dont know the model of it yet.

corner of hells

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I had a chat with a guy I know last night. He was telling me his parents had moved, from a council house they bought in 2006, into rented accommodation. They had to have a double rent for their moving in date, and he was laughing that they got 200 from SVdP in one town, 200 from svdp in the town they were moving to, 300 euro from a Sinn Fein councillor, a 50 euro voucher for dunnes stores from one of the svdp, and will get another one next week, and they got money from the community welfare officer to buy stuff for the house.

I know this family through my brother. He was in school with their son, back in 2004-2006, (when they bought the house).
They got more mortgage than they actually needed, because I remember they bought a 2006 car with the left over money. From me knowing them since 2004 they changed their car every year up until this year.

They went to Spain this year and are going to Leeds at the end of this month for four days. Their daughter has an iPhone.

To say I'm disgusted is an understatement. I'm a bit surprised charities hand out cash so easily. And there is absolutely no sign of any personal responsibility. It's living a champagne lifestyle on a lemonade wage, that everyone else
Pays for.

Happens Lexie, I work for a charity , we got caught by one tosser this year for about 90 euros .Even when challenged he felt he was entitled to it .He gave us a spiel about needing to visit a sick child , turned out he just want a new pair of trainers.

razorblunt

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I had a chat with a guy I know last night. He was telling me his parents had moved, from a council house they bought in 2006, into rented accommodation. They had to have a double rent for their moving in date, and he was laughing that they got 200 from SVdP in one town, 200 from svdp in the town they were moving to, 300 euro from a Sinn Fein councillor, a 50 euro voucher for dunnes stores from one of the svdp, and will get another one next week, and they got money from the community welfare officer to buy stuff for the house.

I know this family through my brother. He was in school with their son, back in 2004-2006, (when they bought the house).
They got more mortgage than they actually needed, because I remember they bought a 2006 car with the left over money. From me knowing them since 2004 they changed their car every year up until this year.

They went to Spain this year and are going to Leeds at the end of this month for four days. Their daughter has an iPhone.

To say I'm disgusted is an understatement. I'm a bit surprised charities hand out cash so easily. And there is absolutely no sign of any personal responsibility. It's living a champagne lifestyle on a lemonade wage, that everyone else
Pays for.

Have you reported this to the SvdP?
They operate on good faith and often in a "better safe than sorry" approach and I find it disgusting to see them taken advantage of.

Breffnigolfer

BBDBB wrote: »

Hate the game not the players

Hate both!

cletus van damme

dunno what the joke about the iPhone is?

I was buying two phones for me and the missus - and I'll tell you the iPhone was out of our price range.
If they are scamming charity and she is knocking about with an Iphone it is a disgrace.

OP - Some people are like that tbh , they have no shame.

Tarzana2

Eh, OP, you've given a lot of detail there, they could identify themselves easily!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Eh, OP, you've given a lot of detail there, they could identify themselves easily!

Don't care, tbh.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

We dont know the model of it yet.

The model is immaterial. If they are so destitute as to need charitable handouts then a 14 year old doesn't need a phone. Full stop!
Despite what some think a mobile phone is a luxury item.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I had dealings with SVdeP many years ago and they were always being taken for a ride by chancers. No matter how often this was pointed out to VDP they kept handing cash to the wrong people. We have another charity locally that does their research before handing out aid and they are the ones that get my annual donation now. I will not give to VDP after seeing how they waste their funds on the wrong people.

SEPT 23 1989

I will not give a cent to that charity because of what i have witnessed over the years with people with absolutely no need of handouts getting them time after time

would it kill them to ask the poor unfortunates to supply bank/credit union statements bills etc before they hand over vouchers/cash

I know some people are very stuck but i have seen too many taking the p1ss

Mr. CooL ICE

Times like this, I don't feel so bad about only donating to animal charities.

phasers

It's gas the way everyone who starts these threads takes inventory of the family in question's possessions and knows all their travel plans

nelly17

Is it?

jimgoose

Well, a lot of folk'll do that sort of thing if they can, unfortunately. May I ask, why did they move out of a house that they've owned since 2006 to enter the currently precarious rental segment?

fussyonion

Lexie has told dozens of stories on here that could easily identify her or her friends and family...I doubt she's worried!

jimgoose

fussyonion wrote: »

Lexie has told dozens of stories on here that could easily identify her or her friends and family...I doubt she's worried!

I'm reminded for some reason of Col. Samuel Trautman: "I don't think you understand. I didn't come to rescue Rambo from you. I came here to rescue you from him!" :pac::pac::pac:

BBDBB

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Hate both!

why waste the energy? attacking one family for their alleged exploitation of the system is impotent and ineffective.
Even if that is multiplied up to include every single benefit fraud, cheat, liar, idle sod & good for nothing it wont change much, even if you did prick someones conscience, its a drop in the ocean and someone else will plug that gap






However voicing concerns over a process that allows these loopholes would be a much more constructive way to tackle the problem if change to the process can be achieved.

eviltwin

I've had to give up volunteering roles because of people like the ones Lexie describes. This time of year you'll get people putting on the poor mouth needing food or gifts for the kids. 9 out of 10 times these people were well able to afford cigarettes and alcohol or could go down the bookies. It was very frustrating because you knew these kids were suffering and yet their parents were either too selfish or too stupid to see what they were doing. The charities themselves know the score but they know if they don't help the kids will have nothing.

This is why I don't give to charity.
Not a single cent ever.

corner of hells

urbanledge wrote: »

This is why I don't give to charity.
Not a single cent ever.

How about giving some of your time or if you had a skill or trade provide your service to a charity ?

cletus van damme

phasers wrote: »

It's gas the way everyone who starts these threads takes inventory of the family in question's possessions and knows all their travel plans

If you know somebody that info is fairly obvisious.

corner of hells

corner of hells wrote: »

How about giving some of your time or if you had a skill or trade provide your service to a charity ?

This is something I would do.
Lining the pockets of charity admin staff is not something I'm interested in.

DEFTLEFTHAND

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I will not give a cent to that charity because of what i have witnessed over the years with people with absolutely no need of handouts getting them time after time

would it kill them to ask the poor unfortunates to supply bank/credit union statements bills etc before they hand over vouchers/cash

I know some people are very stuck but i have seen too many taking the p1ss

I helped my father with the Lions Club xmas food hampers over the years, I remember thinking it was such a bloody farce, some people we'd deliver to would have new cars in the driveway. It was obvious a good 75-80% of the recipients weren't in need of such aid. They'd be only laughing at ya for being such bloody mugs.

Lollipops23

I used to volunteer with SVdP at a youth club in Dublin's inner city. Most of the kids there had iPhones, swanky clothes etc. but were absolutely poverty stricken when it came to attention and actual care.

They were lavished with all these gadgets and material goods but a lot of them were underfed (not skin and bone, but tiny and clearly lacking in a balanced diet).

DEFTLEFTHAND

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I used to volunteer with SVdP at a youth club in Dublin's inner city. Most of the kids there had iPhones, swanky clothes etc. but were absolutely poverty stricken when it came to attention and actual care.

They were lavished with all these gadgets and material goods but a lot of them were underfed (not skin and bone, but tiny and clearly lacking in a balanced diet).

The parents need to get their priorities right.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I donate to animal charities. I love the fact that they're actually grateful if you bring them in dog food or cat food, or old blankets for the animals in their care. They don't care about the money, and it's something I would always contribute towards.

I never donate to people charities unless its buying Christmas cards, or for cancer.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

hfallada wrote: »

Charities attitudes are if you are coming to us, you must be in a bad place. Like the soup kitchen in will have the odd student looking for a free meal. But they never return as it isnt worth sitting in the middle of homeless people.Its not fair for charities to put in place restrictions that could slow giving money to people who need it, because the odd few abuse the system

Did you tell that guy he is parents are ****ing disgusting for abusing charity? I dont know how they can sleep at night abusing generosity.

Worked in a soup kitchen for a couple of months, students were refused from entering. They came down from Trinity taking the piss. Maybe it was a dare or something stupid like that. Anyway, they were sent running.

Charities should not be abused. The family in the OP's post are a joke and may very well be putting another families welfare at stake. Sickening.

Felix Deafening Whiff

Felix Deafening Whiff wrote: »

Worked in a soup kitchen for a couple of months, students were refused from entering. They came down from Trinity taking the piss. Maybe it was a dare or something stupid like that. Anyway, they were sent running.

Charities should not be abused. The family in the OP's post are a joke and may very well be putting another families welfare at stake. Sickening.

Its very hard for a charity to get it right it wont stop me donating to the Svp...the thing with the student and the soup kitchens that started with the type that want to travel the world on fresh air they coped on to the fact that lots of large cites often do cheap meals for the marginalised and took advantaged of it....then again there are some very in need students.

corner of hells

mariaalice wrote: »

Its very hard for a charity to get it right it wont stop me donating to the Svp...the thing with the student and the soup kitchens that started with the type that want to travel the world on fresh air they coped on to the fact that lots of large cites often do cheap meals for the marginalised and took advantaged of it....then again there are some very in need students.

You're spot on there with your comment that "its very hard for a charity to get it right " , people will always regale you with tales and stories of where charities were fooled or got their priorities wrong , human nature being what it is some individuals will always look for an angle to get one up on the man.

I think its heartening to hear when people say they will continue to donate charities particularly in light of recent controversies and recessionary time.

The only charities I wont donate to are those that employ chuggers, I was on Grafton st the other day and a charity was collecting and all the collectors wore hi vis vests saying volunteer collector so yes they get something.

I always give to bag packers for local football clubs, schools, scouts, baton groups and so on there is so much good work that is done and goes unnoticed.

BBJBIG

Tis turrible, Joe ... ... ...

I haven't given a penny to SDVP in 14 years. Since I found out that they pay court fines for people.
Fr. Mcveery is the same.
Sorry but I'm not paying off offenders fines.

lazybones32

I went to an information evening about volunteering with the SVdP a few years ago but was turned right-off when one of the guys said how they just write cheques for pavees upon their asking.

I'm sure other people benefit from SVdP but this sickened me and I refuse to donate a single cent to them.

The_Valeyard

bubblypop wrote: »

I haven't given a penny to SDVP in 14 years. Since I found out that they pay court fines for people.
Fr. Mcveery is the same.
Sorry but I'm not paying off offenders fines.

I have a lot of time for Fr. mcveery. He does a lot of great work throughout the city.

The_Valeyard

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I have a lot of time for Fr. mcveery. He does a lot of great work throughout the city.

Agreed, so do SVDP.
But unfortunately as long as they pay offenders fines, I won't be giving them a penny.

Tarzana2

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I never donate to people charities unless its buying Christmas cards, or for cancer.

Yeah, fúck all the other diseases! Especially the ones that don't kill but greatly reduce quality of life! Why would THEY need money for research?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Yeah, fúck all the other diseases! Especially the ones that don't kill but greatly reduce quality of life! Why would THEY need money for research?

I support charities that are close to me and that mean something to me. Thankfully no other diseases have.

Tramps Like Us

Feel sorry for the Sinn Féin councillor, 300 quid is a lot