Rich Ricci Thread

Francie Barrett

The guy just has unbelievable ammunition this year, so surely it will be worth following him. Here's the latest from him when he was at Lingfield (of all places!) today.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=4622024&category=0

LEADING owner Rich Ricci took time out during a rare visit to Lingfield to point punters in the direction of two youngsters who could go right to the top in novice hurdles.

Explaining his presence at a run-of-the-mill meeting at which he had no runners, Ricci, who lives in Kent but races mainly in Ireland, joked: "I needed a fix as we haven't been able to run many in Ireland because of the weather."

Asked about young horses he was particularly excited about he said he had been "very active" buying in the summer and nominated two French recruits who already figure in the Cheltenham markets, both with Willie Mullins.

He said: "Allez Colombieres won three out of four bumpers and was the champion three-year-old bumper horse in France last year. He's one I'm really looking forward to and hopefully he'll be going to the highest level in novice hurdles.

"Kalkir is three and ran a great race in a newcomers race at Auteuil when only just behind Bonito Du Berlais, who has gone on to win four on the trot, including a Grade 1 by 12 lengths in the newcomers race at Auteuil. He's one we are really looking forward to, and is hopefully a Triumph Hurdle horse."

Ricci, who is hoping to see Daneking run in the Greatwood Hurdle at Cheltenham on Sunday, also had news of Annie Power, who won the Mares Champion Hurdle at Punchestown after finishing second in the Ladbrokes World Hurdle at Cheltenham.

He said: "She's in grand form. We haven't made any decisions yet, but we've had lots of conversations and hopefully we'll make a decision soon. She's in great, great form and has summered very very well."

Andalucia

the man has the midas touch, he pays plenty for them, but he has had a good return - plenty of lads paying big but buying duds

should be another fantastic season in store for him, I knew he bought a few very promising pointers as well, Mullins is sure to monopolise the novice hurdle ranks again this year

Itsabrack

I wonder what his level stakes profit was last year?

Francie Barrett

Itsabrack wrote: »

I wonder what his level stakes profit was last year?

You'd be down a few points if you were backing SP. If you were taking early prices though, I'd say you'd be up slightly. So many of Ricci's runners get backed into 1/2 type prices at the off.

Itsabrack

Francie Barrett wrote: »

You'd be down a few points if you were backing SP. If you were taking early prices though, I'd say you'd be up slightly. So many of Ricci's runners get backed into 1/2 type prices at the off.

I was wondering when you said following them did you mean back them?

mr.jingle

He was -44.76 for 2013 at sp and is -12.29 for the 2014 calendar year

In 2014 he is profitable with his hurdles runners though as it's +5.29

The other 3 disciplines for the 2014 calendar year would be:
Chases -7.87
Flat -5.00
NHF -4.71

The Mig

Annie Power staying over hurdles. Shoe in for the mares hurdle in Chelt now

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=4623724&category=0

Itsabrack

The Mig wrote: »

Annie Power staying over hurdles. Shoe in for the mares hurdle in Chelt now

Thought Willie said he was going to "throw her over a fence", maybe he literally did!

Arctic89

The Mig wrote: »

Annie Power staying over hurdles. Shoe in for the mares hurdle in Chelt now

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=4623724&category=0

Expected better than this from Ricci. Why throw so much cash at the game if your going to let one of your biggest stars win farcical grade 1s instead of RSAs and Gold Cups.

STADEdeLUC

Least we have another banker for Day 1,

Itsabrack

Arctic89 wrote: »

Expected better than this from Ricci. Why throw so much cash at the game if your going to let one of your biggest stars win farcical grade 1s instead of RSAs and Gold Cups.

On a serious note, who are we to question the master trainer and her owner what they do with their horse? This is typical betting shop talk. Maybe they did "throw her over a fence" and it didn't work out? How would you have more info about this horse than owner/trainer than to cast assertions about them? It's pure dribble.
Sorry in advance for the rant

coopdog85

Arctic89 wrote: »

Expected better than this from Ricci. Why throw so much cash at the game if your going to let one of your biggest stars win farcical grade 1s instead of RSAs and Gold Cups.

You really have no clue do you? The horse would be killed if she went chasing & Ricci sees the horse as too valuable to even chance it.

Anything else you have an issue with or are you just sick because you lost your ante post €5 on Annie Power for the Gold Cup?

Volvic12

coopdog85 wrote: »

You really have no clue do you? The horse would be killed if she went chasing & Ricci sees the horse as too valuable to even chance it.

Anything else you have an issue with or are you just sick because you lost your ante post €5 on Annie Power for the Gold Cup?

"The horse would be killed if she went chasing" ??? Please explain this one? I presume you at least meant could be killed.

Arctic89

coopdog85 wrote: »

You really have no clue do you? The horse would be killed if she went chasing & Ricci sees the horse as too valuable to even chance it.

Anything else you have an issue with or are you just sick because you lost your ante post €5 on Annie Power for the Gold Cup?

Let's just hope my bank account recovers from this terrible pounding and I don't suffer another loss this big for the rest of the season eh?

I've no problem with her avoiding fences if she can't jump them. If, however, she ends up in the Mares hurdle come March then I'll be pretty disappointed. No one wants to see top horses running in the filler events. It'd be like sending Big Bucks to the Pertemps.

coopdog85

Volvic12 wrote: »

"The horse would be killed if she went chasing" ??? Please explain this one? I presume you at least meant could be killed.

Watch her jumping her hurdles, she doesn't slow down one bit. If she jumped a fence Annie Power would end up on the deck in every race. The horse is a ball of speed & is a bit of a headcase (I've seen the horse schooling) & obviously Ricci & Mullins aren't prepared to take a chance with her. Wonderful animal & I'd love to see how far she could go but it would be crazy to send her over fences.

zpehtsfd

coopdog85 wrote: »

If she jumped a fence Annie Power would end up on the deck in every race. The horse is a ball of speed & is a bit of a headcase (I've seen the horse schooling) & obviously Ricci & Mullins aren't prepared to take a chance with her.

So you've seen her schooling over fences? If yes, was she that really that bad? Please clarify.

convert

coopdog85 wrote: »

You really have no clue do you? The horse would be killed if she went chasing & Ricci sees the horse as too valuable to even chance it.

Anything else you have an issue with or are you just sick because you lost your ante post €5 on Annie Power for the Gold Cup?

Let's stick to the topic on hand rather than dragging up user's bets, which is unrelated and uncalled for here.

hawkeyethenoo

coopdog85 wrote: »

You really have no clue do you? The horse would be killed if she went chasing & Ricci sees the horse as too valuable to even chance it.

Anything else you have an issue with or are you just sick because you lost your ante post €5 on Annie Power for the Gold Cup?

coopdog85 wrote: »

Watch her jumping her hurdles, she doesn't slow down one bit. If she jumped a fence Annie Power would end up on the deck in every race. The horse is a ball of speed & is a bit of a headcase (I've seen the horse schooling) & obviously Ricci & Mullins aren't prepared to take a chance with her. Wonderful animal & I'd love to see how far she could go but it would be crazy to send her over fences.

haha shed end up on the deck because shes a ball of speed, right! the horse was bought as a chaser and theres nothing to suggest she wouldnt make up into a nice chaser, and too valuable to go chasing?, rich ricci is a racing man not a breeding man, they are taking the easy way out going for an easy grade 1 in march, the mares hurdle which is a load of ****e.

coopdog85

zpehtsfd wrote: »

So you've seen her schooling over fences? If yes, was she that really that bad? Please clarify.

Nope, never said I saw her schooling over fences. Saw her schooling over hurdles, the pure speed of the horse up close is frightening. Over fences it would kamikaze stuff.

coopdog85

hawkeyethenoo wrote: »

haha shed end up on the deck because shes a ball of speed, right! the horse was bought as a chaser and theres nothing to suggest she wouldnt make up into a nice chaser, and too valuable to go chasing?, rich ricci is a racing man not a breeding man, they are taking the easy way out going for an easy grade 1 in march, the mares hurdle which is a load of ****e.

What point are you trying to make?

Arctic89

coopdog85 wrote: »

Nope, never said I saw her schooling over fences. Saw her schooling over hurdles, the pure speed of the horse up close is frightening. Over fences it would kamikaze stuff.

And this speed was so frightening they decided the World Hurdle would be the best option for her last year?

coopdog85

Arctic89 wrote: »

And this speed was so frightening they decided the World Hurdle would be the best option for her last year?

I'm not a trainer, I'm not an owner. I don't choose what races Annie Power runs in. Have you seen the horse jumping a hurdle up close? If you have then you'll know what I mean when I say the horse has frightening speed. If you haven't seen her schooling then I suggest you don't challenge me on what I said because if you haven't seen it then you shouldn't have an opinion.

Arctic89

coopdog85 wrote: »

I'm not a trainer, I'm not an owner. I don't choose what races Annie Power runs in. Have you seen the horse jumping a hurdle up close? If you have then you'll know what I mean when I say the horse has frightening speed. If you haven't seen her schooling then I suggest you don't challenge me on what I said because if you haven't seen it then you shouldn't have an opinion.

I couldn't care less if you personally feed her sugar cubes and brush her mane after every time she schools. The point your making is irrelevant to my argument. Answer me this, would you be as happy to see her run the Mares hurdle as the Champion Hurdle/World Hurdle/Arkle/RSA?

coopdog85

Arctic89 wrote: »

I couldn't care less if you personally feed her sugar cubes and brush her mane after every time she schools. The point your making is irrelevant to my argument. Answer me this, would you be as happy to see her run the Mares hurdle as the Champion Hurdle/World Hurdle/Arkle/RSA?

Champion hurdle.

Anything else?

Francie Barrett

3/3 for Ricci today. None of them looked in any trouble at all today.

Andalucia

Ricci has an almost flawless purchasing system in place, its scary the ammunition he has at his disposal, to have such potential in the same colours is unreal

jimjamcos

Has there ever been a owner with such strength and depth in terms of pure quality. Obviously JP has the numbers, but when you look at Ricci's team in terms of big championship races, it's ridiculous.

Supreme: Allez Colombieres (fav)
Arkle: Vautour (jfav)
Champion: Faugheen (fav)
Mares: Annie (fav)
Neptune: Douvan (j 3rd fav)
RSA: Pont Alexandre (3rd fav) & Clondaw Court (if right)
Queen Mother: Champagne Fever (3rd fav)
Bumper: Bordini (j 3rd fav)
JLT: Vautour (fav)
Ryanair: CF (3rd fav) & Ballycasey
Triumph: Kalkir (fav)
Gold Cup: Champagne Fever (3rd fav) & Djackadam.

Then there's others such as Zaidpour, Blood Cotil, Sempre Medici, Vroum Vroum Mag, Moyle Park, Thomas Hobson, Rennetti, Indevan.

Absolutely astonishing selection. If it's Harold Kirk doing the majority of the buying, he must be on a nice retainer.

Meath Centre Forward

I would say the reason Annie Power stays hurdling is because the race at Cheltenham has just got Grade 1 status and the one at Punchestown was run as a Grade 1 for the first time in 2013. So 2 handy options for her there. Mullins has also said he didn't think she'd have a problem jumping a fence. I would not regard her as the slickest hurdler either.

Having said that maybe the fact that she's highly strung influenced their decision too. Maybe there's a fear there that she could be erratic.

BumperD

Spot on Jimjamcos. Harold Kirk, Rich Ricci & Willie Mullins.

You got some exceptionally bright people pooling their resources right there. Long may it continue.

BumperD

BumperD wrote: »

Spot on Jimjamcos. Harold Kirk, Rich Ricci & Willie Mullins.

You got some exceptionally bright people pooling their resources right there. Long may it continue.

Rich Ricci is one of a small group of individuals who effectively bankrupted the western world for their own personal gain.

Someone else would own the horses if he didn't, so I can't see why his involvement is good for racing. In fact it is the opposite - hard to imagine Annie Power going down the mares hurdle route if she was with any other owner / trainer combination.

I see Willie Mullins is now complaining that he hasn't got enough novice chases for his stable. He appears to want us to change the calendar in order to suit this ridiculous concentration of talent in one stable....

BumperD

Deleted User wrote: »

Rich Ricci is one of a small group of individuals who effectively bankrupted the western world for their own personal gain.

Someone else would own the horses if he didn't, so I can't see why his involvement is good for racing. In fact it is the opposite - hard to imagine Annie Power going down the mares hurdle route if she was with any other owner / trainer combination.

I see Willie Mullins is now complaining that he hasn't got enough novice chases for his stable. He appears to want us to change the calendar in order to suit this ridiculous concentration of talent in one stable....

First part a little off topic so not for here.

2nd part is utter nonsense. There are only a very small group of patrons who pump this amount of money into the nh game (Jp, oleary etc). If there is someone else, they'd already exist and you'd be able name them. As regards AP's campaign, I'd take there judgement anyday over mine given their knowledge.

Have you a link for the novice chasers angle, haven't read that but would like to read. I guess from a stable tour?

BumperD

BumperD wrote: »

2nd part is utter nonsense. There are only a very small group of patrons who pump this amount of money into the nh game (Jp, oleary etc). If there is someone else, they'd already exist and you'd be able name them. As regards AP's campaign, I'd take there judgement anyday over mine given their knowledge.

Have you a link for the novice chasers angle, haven't read that but would like to read. I guess from a stable tour?

"Someone else" is anyone who wants to own a racehorse. Supply of racehorses is not a problem - all 'patrons' like Ricci do is drive up the price of horses and make ownership a more remote possibility for others.

If Ricci, McManus and O'Leary left in the morning racing would go on as before (and a broader set of owners would enjoy a greater share of success). The best that can be said of them is that they give us Irish winners to cheer on at Cheltenham but that's a hollow feeling when it's the massive piles of cash of an american living in london that buys them. Maybe that's just me though!

There is no universe in existence in which AP if owned and trained by anyone else would be going for the mares hurdle (for the record I am not convinced she will go anyway, not sure Ricci has anything for the world hurdle and don't see why she wouldn't have a crack at that again).

Mullins story was in the racing post.

paddy no 11

Deleted User wrote: »

"Someone else" is anyone who wants to own a racehorse. Supply of racehorses is not a problem - all 'patrons' like Ricci do is drive up the price of horses and make ownership a more remote possibility for others.

If Ricci, McManus and O'Leary left in the morning racing would go on as before (and a broader set of owners would enjoy a greater share of success). The best that can be said of them is that they give us Irish winners to cheer on at Cheltenham but that's a hollow feeling when it's the massive piles of (stolen) cash of an american living in london that buys them. Maybe that's just me though!

There is no universe in existence in which AP if owned and trained by anyone else would be going for the mares hurdle (for the record I am not convinced she will go anyway, not sure Ricci has anything for the world hurdle and don't see why she wouldn't have a crack at that again).

Mullins story was in the racing post.

Preach on man.

BumperD

Perhaps the industry should introduce some communist ideals like China, where parents have only 1 child, racehorse owners can only own 1 horse?

Throw in some price controls at the sales to cap prices?

Shemale

BumperD wrote: »

Throw in some price controls at the sales to cap prices?

Then when everyone bids the top price the horse can decide who it goes home with!

Bojack Horseman

zpehtsfd

Deleted User wrote: »

"Someone else" is anyone who wants to own a racehorse. Supply of racehorses is not a problem - all 'patrons' like Ricci do is drive up the price of horses and make ownership a more remote possibility for others.

If Ricci, McManus and O'Leary left in the morning racing would go on as before (and a broader set of owners would enjoy a greater share of success). The best that can be said of them is that they give us Irish winners to cheer on at Cheltenham but that's a hollow feeling when it's the massive piles of (stolen) cash of an american living in london that buys them. Maybe that's just me though!

There is no universe in existence in which AP if owned and trained by anyone else would be going for the mares hurdle (for the record I am not convinced she will go anyway, not sure Ricci has anything for the world hurdle and don't see why she wouldn't have a crack at that again).

Mullins story was in the racing post.

Great stuff.

Don't think AP will go WH unless More of That doesn't perform this season. Sure all Ricci wants is any winner at Cheltenham. :rolleyes:

convert

Deleted User wrote: »

massive piles of (stolen) cash

small group of individuals who effectively bankrupted the western world for their own personal gain

You need to be really careful what you write - the last thing we, or you, need is legal action taken against us. Please take this into consideration in your future posts. Thanks.

jimjamcos

Think the chances of Ricci reading this thread are slim now.

convert

jimjamcos wrote: »

Think the chances of Ricci reading this thread are slim now.

Stranger things have happened.....

On a more serious note: it doesn't matter whether or not the person involved may/may not read the thread, posting in that manner is not acceptable.

Gregk961

jimjamcos wrote: »

Think the chances of Ricci reading this thread are slim now.

Maybe he will give willie the boot and come here for advice on where to place his horses

No interest in causing trouble to boards so I will say no more about Mr Ricci - his previous posts, remuneration and the travails of his employer are matters of public record so if anyone cares they can look the details up elsewhere.

I still maintain that the concentration of mega-owners is bad for racing, and I think we are mistaken to imagine that the sport 'needs' these people. I will readily admit that I am the romantic type. It's all relative in racing I know but I like to see the 'smaller' owners (and trainers fo that matter) get their day in the sun.

Still think AP wouldn't run in the mares hurdle if she was in any other yard!

paddy no 11

The JP v Ricci v O'Leary state of Irish racing couldnt be more boring.

nuckeythompson

Deleted User wrote: »

"Someone else" is anyone who wants to own a racehorse. Supply of racehorses is not a problem - all 'patrons' like Ricci do is drive up the price of horses and make ownership a more remote possibility for others.

If Ricci, McManus and O'Leary left in the morning racing would go on as before (and a broader set of owners would enjoy a greater share of success). The best that can be said of them is that they give us Irish winners to cheer on at Cheltenham but that's a hollow feeling when it's the massive piles of (stolen) cash of an american living in london that buys them. Maybe that's just me though!

There is no universe in existence in which AP if owned and trained by anyone else would be going for the mares hurdle (for the record I am not convinced she will go anyway, not sure Ricci has anything for the world hurdle and don't see why she wouldn't have a crack at that again).

Mullins story was in the racing post.

Easily the most sensible post on this thread - spot on

zpehtsfd

Danny Mullins riding Daneking. :eek:

RR needs to grow a pair.

Francie Barrett

Un De Seaux falls while half a track ahead of the field. Looked mightily impressive until then.

NaiveMelodies

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Un De Seaux falls while half a track ahead of the field. Looked mightily impressive until then.

Jaysus I'd say Ricci's bullin....;)

coopdog85

For those wondering about Annie Power over fences I think you got your answer today. Un De Sceaux was borderline wreckless over his fences today. The speed at which he attacked them was electric to watch but when jumping a fence at that speed the slightest mistake & there's zero chance of a recovery. Now, the camera work didn't help us see exactly what happened but judging the distance ruby was from the fence when he was on the ground is hazard a guess that he just flicked through it & unbalanced himself & hit the deck.

I've seen both Annie Power & Un De Sceaux schooling over hurdles (not together) & Annie Power looks a much quicker animal. I've already said this a few weeks ago & got abused over it, but to send her over a fence would be dangerous for both horse & jockey. Both horses hurdle a similar way i.e both seem to accelerate into their jumps.

Annie Power will never jump a fence like I said previously.

Shemale

coopdog85 wrote: »

For those wondering about Annie Power over fences I think you got your answer today. Un De Sceaux was borderline wreckless over his fences today. The speed at which he attacked them was electric to watch but when jumping a fence at that speed the slightest mistake & there's zero chance of a recovery. Now, the camera work didn't help us see exactly what happened but judging the distance ruby was from the fence when he was on the ground is hazard a guess that he just flicked through it & unbalanced himself & hit the deck.

I've seen both Annie Power & Un De Sceaux schooling over hurdles (not together) & Annie Power looks a much quicker animal. I've already said this a few weeks ago & got abused over it, but to send her over a fence would be dangerous for both horse & jockey. Both horses hurdle a similar way i.e both seem to accelerate into their jumps.

Annie Power will never jump a fence like I said previously.

Annie Power is quicker than Un De Sceaux? More Of That should have run in the Champion Hurdle so.

convert

So AP is a non runner for Sunday due to lameness

Meath Centre Forward

Coopdog45 I can't agree with what you're saying.

First of all we got no answers about Annie Power's potential as a chaser from Un De Sceaux's performance. Annie Power wasn't even on the racecourse. Draw whatever conclusions you like about Un De Sceaux but using his fall as a way to back-up your argument about Annie Power, well that's warped logic !

Also you're the first person to describe Un De Sceaux's jumping as borderline reckless. Most people would have said it was a very good round. I certainly was very encouraged by it and he'll be one of the leading contenders for the Arkle no doubt about that.

Annie Power is staying over hurdles because there's 2 handy G1's for her at Cheltenham and Punchestown every year. You might be right she might never jump a fence but it's for the reason you think. She's a big scopey mare who looks like a chaser. She was bought with that in mind and her connections last season repeated the belief that she'd make a great chaser. I would not use the fact that she jumps hurdles fast as a reason not to try fences. I'd be worried if she jumped hurdles them slowly put it that way.

Also the fact you watched her school at home hardly strengthens your point. I'd be more inclined to use the evidence off the racecourse than anything else.

jimjamcos

Adriana Des Mottes may be another reason why she's being kept to hurdles judged on today's performance. Looks made for fences and while getting lots of weight she won with tonnes in hand and looks a real improver. Should mop up plenty of mares chases, at worst. Just another category ticked off for Ricci. All he's missing is a Hunter Chaser or does he have one with Martin?