Two minute silence at 11am

Winty

Will you be observing a two minute silence at 11am to mark armistice day

If a tree falls down and theres no one around does it make a sound?

NIMAN

No.

Donkey Oaty

Shhhh!

solomafioso

LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!

SEPT 23 1989

I will

solomafioso

NANANA-NANA-HEY!-NANA-NANA.

The Backwards Man

You're an hour late.

11am Paris time

Notorious97

Stupid fúcking sky 1 just cut to sky news, i am missing a masterpiece of tv that is hawaii 5-0 lol

Winty

Thank you

ArmaniJeanss

Politics aside this verse always causes me a tear.

"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them."

Hermy

If the message was 'War is Wrong' then maybe.
But as it's more about portraying the millions of deaths as some noble cause then no.

Birneybau

Have the radio on, in the office on my own so...inadvertently.

AudreyHepburn

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Politics aside this verse always causes me a tear.

"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them."

A lovely verse, that always puts a lump in my throat, and a fitting reminder of what Remembrance should always and was really always all about.

I don't understand why people insist on bringing politics into it all the time. It's not about that, it's about the millions of young lives that have lost in battle from all over the world, not just Britain.

Donkey Oaty

I send my very best wishes to everyone commemorating Armistice Day, and say "Happy Nigel Tufnel Day" to all those who are not.

cloud493

I did. Still wearing my poppy.

topper75

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

, it's about the millions of young lives that have lost in battle from all over the world, not just Britain.

They didn't die by accident. Let's not paint this war as something that befell them. They were sent out to die by born-again bastards whose collective egos had run amok.

If there is a meaningful legacy - it is that we must question authority.

Question it always.

Question it at every turn.

Dravokivich

There's such a thing as a 2 minutes silence?

FTA69

cloud493 wrote: »

I did. Still wearing my poppy.

Fair play lad. Wear your poppy with pride. :rolleyes:

AudreyHepburn

topper75 wrote: »

They didn't die by accident. Let's not paint this war as something that befell them. They were sent out to die by born-again bastards whose collective egos had run amok.

If there is a meaningful legacy - it is that we must question authority.

Question it always.

Question it at every turn.

I never said they did.

I'm not trying to paint their loss as anything other than what it is....a tragic loss of young lives, taken in the most horrid ways possible for wars that none of them had anything to do with in the first place and that very few of them would actually have wanted to be involved in.

cloud493

FTA69 wrote: »

Fair play lad. Wear your poppy with pride. :rolleyes:

I will, thanks.

Tokyo

topper75 wrote: »

They didn't die by accident. Let's not paint this war as something that befell them. They were sent out to die by born-again bastards whose collective egos had run amok.

If there is a meaningful legacy - it is that we must question authority.

Question it always.

Question it at every turn.

Is it so hard to have two minutes silence in respect for the dead, irrespective of how/where/why they died and without turning it into some sort of lesson in morality??

There's another 1438 minutes left in the day for those questions, surely?

teddy_303

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

A lovely verse, that always puts a lump in my throat, and a fitting reminder of what Remembrance should always and was really always all about.

I don't understand why people insist on bringing politics into it all the time. It's not about that, it's about the millions of young lives that have lost in battle from all over the world, not just Britain.

why is it only central bankers wars that have a rememberance for? those dirty pricks funding both sides while they cheered both sides on from the sidelines, while the friends of the bankers from the industrial military complex makes a ton of cash arming both sides, just like Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza and Syria today. Yeah, lets make a day to remember the bankers wars alright..

cloud493

People can and have refused to be conscripted. That doesn't dilute the incredible brave those boys must have had. I know I can't even comprehend what it must have felt like it, sheltering in a trench, dirty, probably not got enough food, scared out of my mind, and expected to climb over the top into a hail of bullets and artillery fire. Incredible bravery, whatever the cause.

teddy_303

they funded both sides and cheered both sides on..

riffmongous

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

A lovely verse, that always puts a lump in my throat, and a fitting reminder of what Remembrance should always and was really always all about.

I don't understand why people insist on bringing politics into it all the time. It's not about that, it's about the millions of young lives that have lost in battle from all over the world, not just Britain.

Not a mention of it in Austria and I daresay Germany too..

topper75

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I never said they did.

I don't mean to be contradictory towards the general sentiments in your post but your grammar wasn't the best if I may say so and implied something passive about their deaths. That's what I wanted to refute. People sent them to their deaths. Actively.

mike_ie wrote: »

Is ti so hard to have two minutes silence in respect for the dead, irrespective of how/where/why they died and without turning it into some sort of lesson in morality??

There's another 1438 minutes left in the day for those questions, surely?

Do you not like people asking why generally, or just in relation to this issue?

OSI wrote: »

You are of course aware of what conscription is, yes?

I am. You are aware it was not applicable in Ireland, yes?

cloud493

riffmongous wrote: »

Not a mention of it in Austria and I daresay Germany too..

The verse in question doesn't mention any country, even if the poem as a whole does.

Sufa

FTA69 wrote: »

Fair play lad. Wear your poppy with pride. :rolleyes:

Bordering on "anti poppy-facism" there. What unbelievably hypocrisy. Who are you to try and make people feel ashamed of making a very personal decision and supporting a charity of their choice?

FTA69

Sufa wrote: »

Bordering on "anti poppy-facism" there. What unbelievably hypocrisy. Who are you to try and make people feel ashamed of making a very personal decision and supporting a charity of their choice?

I'm highlighting the fact that the poppy is not a commemorative symbol of those who died in WW1/WW2. It is a symbol advocating support for the Crown Forces and all of the campaigns they participated in, regardless of the fact that the majority of these were imperialist adventures abroad that resulted in untold misery for the people whose countries were looted or subjugated.

When you put on a poppy, you are weighing in behind the jingoistic notion that "Our Boys" should be supported whether they were murdering civilians in Derry or beating the sh*t out of prisoners in Iraq. The even sillier notion at play here, is that the British Army is not even our military and our country suffered hugely at the hands of that very organisation but yet every year we get muppets out wearing symbols that glorify them and either couldn't give a sh*t about what they did in Ireland or else stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that the Poppy is simply about WW1 when it's anything but.

I have no problem commemorating Irish people who died in the World Wars, I just don't see why we can't have our own take on it without piggybacking on symbols and events that conform to a wider narrative of British imperialism.

AudreyHepburn

teddy_303 wrote: »

why is it only central bankers wars that have a rememberance for? those dirty pricks funding both sides while they cheered both sides on from the sidelines, while the friends of the bankers from the industrial military complex makes a ton of cash arming both sides, just like Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza and Syria today. Yeah, lets make a day to remember the bankers wars alright..

Bankers?

cloud493

The poppy is a symbol of those who gave those lives, regardless of the cause. Whether other people have hijacked the symbol for whatever reason doesn't relate to me, far as I'm concerned.

teddy_303

OSI wrote: »

"Goebbels, I need a new car, the bank won't give me a loan, round up a few jews and stick them in an oven for me." - Hitler, 1939

http://youtu.be/e2_oVexQk7I

AudreyHepburn

topper75 wrote: »

I don't mean to be contradictory towards the general sentiments in your post but your grammar wasn't the best if I may say so and implied something passive about their deaths. That's what I wanted to refute. People sent them to their deaths. Actively.



Do you not like people asking why generally, or just in relation to this issue?


I am. You are aware it was not applicable in Ireland, yes?

I never said nor implied anything of the sort , which I think you know or would if you had actually read what I said, and I don't appreciate the tone of the above statement.

topper75

OSI wrote: »

And where does AudreyHepburn say their post was only applicable to the war dead of Ireland?

They didn't - but it we are all in Ireland are we not? and therefore looking at this remembrance from an Irish perspective?

AudreyHepburn

topper75 wrote: »

They didn't - but it we are all in Ireland are we not? and therefore looking at this remembrance from an Irish perspective?

I would appreciate if you didn't read things into my words that are not there.

Obviously yes I think first of the Irish that lost their lives, but I don't only think of them. I think of all servicemen, and women, who died. But in case what does it matter who I personally want to remember?

topper75

cloud493 wrote: »

The poppy is a symbol of those who gave those lives, regardless of the cause. Whether other people have hijacked the symbol for whatever reason doesn't relate to me, far as I'm concerned.

A bit disingenuous. AFAIK your money goes to the Royal British Legion.

topper75

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I would appreciate if you didn't read things into my words that are not there.

Obviously yes I think first of the Irish that lost their lives, but I don't only think of them. I think of all servicemen, and women, who died were sent to their deaths.

Maybe that wasn't there. But it should have been.

FTA69

cloud493 wrote: »

The poppy is a symbol of those who gave those lives, regardless of the cause. Whether other people have hijacked the symbol for whatever reason doesn't relate to me, far as I'm concerned.

The poppy appeal was invented by the British Legion. It is concerned with advocating support for the Crown Forces, both past and present, regardless of what context they served in.

About the Poppy Appeal

In the year that marks the centenary of the start of one of the costliest conflicts in our history, The Royal British Legion is encouraging everyone to support the Poppy Appeal for the memory of the fallen and the future of the living.

The Legion created the Poppy Appeal to help those returning from the First World War. A century on from the start of that conflict, we're still helping today's Armed Forces families in much the same way, whether coping with bereavement, living with disability, or finding employment.

The poppy is a powerful symbol. It is worn to commemorate the sacrifices of our Armed Forces and to show support to those still serving today and their loved ones.

Money raised through the Poppy Appeal goes directly to our welfare work providing through life care to anyone who is currently serving in the British Armed Forces, who has previously served, and their families.

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/get-involved/poppy-appeal

Tokyo

topper75 wrote: »

Do you not like people asking why generally, or just in relation to this issue?

Do you always pick and choose just the parts of a statement that suit your argument, rather than the statement as a whole? I clearly said that "There's another 1438 minutes left in the day for those questions, surely?"

I think that regardless of the reasoning behind their deaths, servicemen and women are entitled to a couple of minutes silence in remembrance of their deaths, without trying to politicise it.

AudreyHepburn

topper75 wrote: »

Maybe that wasn't there. But it should have been.

Stop being pedantic will you.

Anyone with half a brain will know what I meant.

Packrat

What's the minute's silence for? I genuinely didn't know until I read the thread.

What I've learned: Some clowns who watch too much British TV and aren't really aware that they live and come from a different country have bought into the "our boys abroad Fighting For freedom" bullcrap think it should be observed here.

Why don't ye put it on your Facebook status instead, - that's about the level of the intellectual thought it deserves.

Also, - come back and let us know how you get on.

FTA69

OSI wrote: »

I wasn't aware that the British Legion had sole manufacture and distribution, and royalty rights on poppies. Considering their use was inspired by a Canadian poem, and first used by the American legion, your insistence at tying their use to the glorification of the actions of the British armed forces is a stretch at best.

A stretch? The ones sold in Ireland are flogged by the British Legion. The clip-on plastic ones commonly used were designed and are now sold by the British Legion. The only stretch here is you pretending that the British Legion is a minor actor in the poppyfest we see every year in Britain and Ireland.

Packrat

OSI wrote: »

Didn't say they were. I said the poppy as a symbol doesn't solely exist to glorify the exploits of the British armed forces. Does wearing an easter lily mean I think the Omagh bombing was justified?

Why do you ask? Do you wear an easter lily?

Ficheall

I went to a gig by the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain (who are awesome) on Sunday. Since it was Remembrance Sunday they were commissioned to do a gig based on war songs etc. It was crap. So that's my reason for being bothered by the "remembrance/poppy" thing.
Also, youtube keeps popping up the ad for the "official" song supporting the royal british legion which is Joss Stone butchering The Green Fields of France. That's annoying too.

A friend of mine was skydiving on Sunday, and he said the plane he was on actually went and landed in between jumps to observe the two minutes' silence and then went back up. Seemed a bit over the top to me.

RobertKK

No.

Most of these commemorations have more to do with glorifying the army of whatever country than remembering dead people.

The military is often promoted by war mongering countries as such - put on an army uniform and you are an automatic 'hero'.

So no I did not stop, my view on WW1 is it was a most stupid war, there was no need for Britain and us to be involved in it and all we got was dead people from the stupidity of people who wouldn't themselves be seen dead on a battle field.

The subsequent stupidity of WW1 and how Germany was humiliated with the treaty of Versailles led to the rise of Hitler and another round of devastation in the world.

Rather than remembering the dead, it is used as a promotion for the military with nothing about the stupidity of it all.

Earl Turner

topper75 wrote: »

They didn't die by accident. Let's not paint this war as something that befell them. They were sent out to die by born-again bastards whose collective egos had run amok.

If there is a meaningful legacy - it is that we must question authority.

Question it always.

Question it at every turn.

Complete over simplification. People fought for different motivations. In Ireland men fought fought for economic reasons, for Home Rule and a genuine desire to protect Ireland. Our image of the war has become distorted due to the prominence of the war poets within the cultural narrative.

Pwindedd

Yes I did observe the 2 minute silence. I though about the futility of war and the loss of life and how lucky I am to live in a time when any personal participation in war is entirely optional.

See you all same time next year for the now traditional poppy re-hash thread.

Packrat

OSI wrote: »

Well some people wear the poppy to glorify the British war dead, so according to some posters, by wearing it you're automatically doing so to. Some people wear the Easter lily as a symbol of the Republican struggle or in support of the paramilitary groups, so does wearing one to comemorate the Easter rising mean I also glorify the actions of those groups?

Yes, I get your argument.

So, do you wear one?

I suspect not.

I also suspect that if I had the next three hours to drag it out of you, (which I don't) that you'd give a reason which would make total bullsh1t of your argument that the poppy doesn't represent British actions in the north or in Iraq. Something like "murdering terrorist bombers rabble rabble rabble"

Timberrrrrrrr

FTA69 wrote: »

Fair play lad. Wear your poppy with pride. :rolleyes:

I do

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/129/590x/First-World-War-509689.jpg

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rainbow kirby

My (Indian-born) boss just cracked on with the stand-up meeting at 11 without noticing that other people were observing it!