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Suspended sentence and fine for student who made 'wicked' false rape claim

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    #32
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    unkel wrote: »
    Thankfully no man was arrested / accused.

    From the opening piece;
    “The sinister element of the (alleged) crime is that a person she alleged committed the act was an actual real person that she had encountered,” he said

    Gardai were "close to making an arrest".


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    #33
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,151 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I missed that. Thanks RobYourBuilder. Thankfully that man wasn't arrested :(


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    #34
    tritium
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    downonthefarm wrote: »
    She's obviously in need of serious psychiatric help.
    The poor girl.dont think she's going to get it in prison.

    Most criminals are in need of psychiatric help. Generally none of them get it in prison. While I would support improving the availability of such care for convicted ceiminals I'm not sure what makes this particular criminal special in any way


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    #35
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    irishgrover wrote: »
    similar enough circumstances to make a connection and ask a question without being told to feck of in so many words...

    You're dead right. I thought the poster was engaging in whataboutery. Apologies to the poster fits.


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    #36
    tritium
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    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    This is why people accused of crimes like this should have their identity hidden until proven guilty.

    Just to clarify I mean people accused of rape, in this case some men only had to explain where they were but often this sort of thing is aimed at particular people who have their names in the media and then turns out they're innocent.

    My understanding is that in Ireland the accused does have a right to anonymity, though others may correct me


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    #37
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    From the opening piece;

    Gardai were "close to making an arrest".


    They didn't make an arrest though, did they?


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    #38
    deseil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 333 ✭✭deseil


    unkel wrote: »
    A few lies that got completely out of hand and when the Gardai were involved there wasn't an easy way out anymore. Thankfully no man was arrested / accused. Pretty harsh sentence as it is imho (and a crininal conviction). She won't do it again for sure, no need to lock her up any further.
    The most sensible comment iin this thread so far, she was.lucky and I doubt she ll ever do anything like this again, I'd say she is minus a boyfriend and alot of friends after such stupidity.
    I don't think prison time and her costing the taxpayer more money would be beneficial to either side.


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    #39
    Arne_Saknussem
    Registered Users Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    That's essentially the point I was making, yes?

    Not sure what your point is though?

    My point is it's ****ing moronic.


    He projected to emphasize the seriousness of what she had done, just because that scenario didn't happen doesn't lessen the seriousness of what she did.

    He never mentioned that because some chap could have been sitting in a jail sell that she should have gotten a harsher sentence.


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    #40
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    tritium wrote: »
    My understanding is that in Ireland the accused does have a right to anonymity, though others may correct me


    Don't be letting facts like that get in the way of a good outrage thread.


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    #41
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Arne_Saknussem wrote: »
    My point is it's ****ing moronic.


    He projected to emphasize the seriousness of what she had done, just because that scenario didn't happen doesn't lessen the seriousness of what she did.

    He never mentioned that because some chap could have been sitting in a jail sell that she should have gotten a harsher sentence.


    That's exactly what it does actually, because the case would have been far more serious if that actually HAD happened. The point is - it didn't, and you can't punish someone for what didn't happen.


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    #42
    Arne_Saknussem
    Registered Users Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    That's exactly what it does actually, because the case would have been far more serious if that actually HAD happened. The point is - it didn't, and you can't punish someone for what didn't happen.

    No it lessens the consequences of what she did, a false claim of rape is still a false claim of rape.


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    #43
    TheBeardedLady
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    How dare you OP! This is the kind of increasing misogynistic vitriol that makes female posters afraid to browse After Hours alone at night. Shame on you.

    Ah deary me. Couldn't resist sticking the knife in, could we? Us silly women getting our knickers in a twist over nothing!

    I have no issue with threads like this appearing if debated reasonably but it's the comments that often follow them that justifiably piss women off in here.

    Case.In.Point:

    Beaner1 wrote: »
    She should be genuinely raped for that. She won't be making little of that particular crime then in future.

    BANNED

    Edit: To mods: I understand I'm breaking the charter with this post but I really believe this problem has to be highlighted. People asking for examples on the other thread who, for some reason, seem to completely miss what's under their nose. HERE'S an example for you.


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    #44
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    As appalling as the sentence is, I wouldn't regard it as evidence of sexist discrimination in our courts (there is plenty of that, just not in this particular case) - suspended sentences for heinous crimes including sexual assault are the norm here. Our justice system is completely f*cked.


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    #45
    One eyed Jack
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    Arne_Saknussem wrote: »
    No it lessens the consequences of what she did, a false claim of rape is still a false claim of rape.


    It doesn't lessen the consequences of what she did? Making stuff up is trying to exaggerate the consequences of what she did.

    She was punished for what she did, she couldn't be punished for what she didn't do.


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    #46
    foggy_lad
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    She needs to be jailed for a considerable time to punish her for what she has cost the taxpayer. A sentence of 6 years with the final two suspended sounds about right.


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    #47
    One eyed Jack
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    foggy_lad wrote: »
    She needs to be jailed for a considerable time to punish her for what she has cost the taxpayer. A sentence of 6 years with the final two suspended sounds about right.


    That would cost the taxpayer more than the investigation?

    Keeping people in prison, especially for six years, costs quite a bit, certainly isn't provided free of charge.


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    #48
    My name is URL
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    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Edit: To mods: I understand I'm breaking the charter with this post but I really believe this problem has to be highlighted. People asking for examples on the other thread who, for some reason, seem to completely miss what's under their nose. HERE'S an example for you.

    That same poster has been making threats of violence against water charge protesters and threatening to 'out' them for weeks. It's a miracle he hasn't been banned before now.

    He's not a misogynist, he's just an all round vile individual


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    #49
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    My name is URL wrote: »
    That same poster has been making threats of violence against water charge protesters and threatening to 'out' them for weeks. It's a miracle he hasn't been banned before now.

    He's not a misogynist, he's just an all round vile individual

    Course he is.


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    #50
    Arne_Saknussem
    Registered Users Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    It doesn't lessen the consequences of what she did? Making stuff up is trying to exaggerate the consequences of what she did.

    She was punished for what she did, she couldn't be punished for what she didn't do.


    The fact that he wasn't arrested when an arrest was close lessens the consequences of what she did yeah. It doesn't lessen the seriousness of a false accusal of rape.

    What RobYourBuilder said about some guy possibly sitting in a jail cell was in response to another poster saying 'poor girl'.

    At no point did anyone say she should be punished for what she didn't do, but sure run with that one if you want to...


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    #51
    [Deleted User]
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    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Ah deary me. Couldn't resist sticking the knife in, could we? Us silly women getting our knickers in a twist over nothing!

    I have no issue with threads like this appearing if debated reasonably but it's the comments that often follow them that justifiably piss women off in here.

    Case.In.Point:




    Edit: To mods: I understand I'm breaking the charter with this post but I really believe this problem has to be highlighted. People asking for examples on the other thread who, for some reason, seem to completely miss what's under their nose. HERE'S an example for you.
    And as said in the other thread it's an obvious new-reg troll.


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    #52
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyway something has to be done about yer one. To claim rape because it was raining and she wanted to go home and she had lied about having a job isn't the behaviour of someone with any kind of empathy.


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    #53
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Course he is.

    As someone in the misogyny thread described, he's not a misogynist but an equal opportunities gobsh!te. ;)


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    #54
    KERSPLAT!
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    MOD

    The misogyny thread was closed. For a reason. I asked ye to move on from the comment, it was dealt with. Move on. Last warning


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    #55
    promethius
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    disgusting woman, deserved to be punished with a custodial sentence for sure for that. she could have ruined one or more innocent mens lives. scumbag pure and simple. judges must be under pressure to not send people to the clink from what you'd see with so many getting suspended sentences.


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    #56
    One eyed Jack
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    Arne_Saknussem wrote: »
    The fact that he wasn't arrested when an arrest was close lessens the consequences of what she did yeah. It doesn't lessen the seriousness of a false accusal of rape.

    What RobYourBuilder said about some guy possibly sitting in a jail cell was in response to another poster saying 'poor girl'.

    At no point did anyone say she should be punished for what she didn't do, but sure run with that one if you want to...


    It's not me is running with anything. You and the OP are trying to whip up a bit of outrage on the basis of something that didn't happen. For clarity sake -

    Nobody was accused by the Gardaí, arrested for, or even charged with committing rape.

    I'm not sure where the OP got the bit about the free flight home either if they're using the same article they quoted from in the OP?


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    #57
    Bhopkov
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 14 ✭Bhopkov


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Course he is.

    Based on what evidence is he a misogynist?


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    #58
    hatrickpatrick
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    It's not me is running with anything. You and the OP are trying to whip up a bit of outrage on the basis of something that didn't happen.

    By your rationale, murder would be a big deal but attempted murder would not be...


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    #59
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    By your rationale, murder would be a big deal but attempted murder would not be...


    That's a strawman.


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    #60
    Arne_Saknussem
    Registered Users Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Arne_Saknussem


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    It's not me is running with anything. You and the OP are trying to whip up a bit of outrage on the basis of something that didn't happen. For clarity sake -

    Nobody was accused by the Gardaí, arrested for, or even charged with committing rape.

    I'm not sure where the OP got the bit about the free flight home either if they're using the same article they quoted from in the OP?


    I'm not trying to whip up anything, i'm saying that a false accusation of rape is serious business especially given that the woman in question indicated that an actual person she encountered while out on her walk had raped her.

    I'm saying that just because an arrest didn't occur in this case doesn't lessen the seriousness of what she did, it only lessens the consequences of what she did.

    The guy in the OP may think that the sentence was too lenient, that's a matter of opinion.

    And again, as you seem to have ignored this, his post that someone could have ended up in a cell was a response to another poster saying 'poor girl', he never mentioned that she should have been given a stiffer sentence because of what she could have done.


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    #61
    Awkward Badger
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    Jesus all that to go home early from a job she didn't have ?


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