We should stop putting women in jail. For anything.

VinLieger

Statistacally more women are in prison for violent crimes than men so we should just remove all criminal responsibility for female violent crimes?

bodice ripper

Hazys wrote: »

Where are the feminists who are up in arms about the inequality of such a suggestion?

Just like every time "the feminists" are mentioned in AH, they exist as theoretical entity that are not represented on boards....

Potatoeman

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

The author, Patricia O'Brien, is an associate professor at the Jane Addams College of Social Work at University of Illinois at Chicago.

Sure as long as they are placed in open reform centers in her neighbourhood.

Beano

I think its a brilliant idea. My dream of running a team of female assassins could finally come true.

Lapin

Bollox to this. :mad:

What next?

We can't send gay lads to jail because it might taint their dainty sensitive souls?

No jailing of transexuals in case they get the piss ripped out of them on the inside?

Free all over 65's in case the prison service gets sued for ageism?

No more jailing under 25s because everyone deserves a few chances at life, (although I think this is happening already).

Before we know it we won't even be protected from convicted criminals anymore because someone somewhere will find a soft reason to prevent them from being banged up. Some rubbish about broken homes and having no facilities on council estates or some other rubbish excuse, (although I think this is.......)

Fuck it. If you do the crime - Be prepared to do the time.

No matter who, or what you are.

SeanW

Hazys wrote: »

Where are the feminists who are up in arms about the inequality of such a suggestion?

Celebrating it.

bodice ripper wrote: »

Just like every time "the feminists" are mentioned in AH, they exist as theoretical entity that are not represented on boards....

There's a few here, but many more in society as a whole including a wide variety of universities and national legislatures.

bodice ripper

SeanW wrote: »

Celebrating it.

There's a few here, but many more in society as a whole including a wide variety of universities and national legislatures.

Where? I have never encountered a hard line feminist post on AH. I have read blogs, sure, when it am feeling a bit low and feel like being galvanised by raw disdain. But the **** that the feminists get accused of on AH is never something a poster is actually proposing.

UCDVet

It's hard being a man in our modern societies. Can someone just tell me, once and for all....

Are we meant to treat women EQUALLY or DIFFERENTLY than men? One second, *I'm* a sexist jerk for thinking it's okay to say 'Hello' to someone (man or woman) who happens to walk by (see the Sexy Street Walking Thread). The next, I'm a sexist jerk for thinking anyone who does a crime, with the same circumstances surround it, deserves the SAME treatment. The whole time, I keep hearing that I'm meant to treat women equally....but when I do, I'm a sexist jerk....except when I'm supposed to know that I'm not supposed to treat them equally.

I'm just glad I'm married and don't really care. But seriously, make up your minds, and let me know.

bodice ripper

See? Lots of railing against, but no one actually proposing. It's a dialogue with the feminists in someone's head.

Hazys

bodice ripper wrote: »

Just like every time "the feminists" are mentioned in AH, they exist as theoretical entity that are not represented on boards....

I wasn't calling out members of boards but in society there are too many people of influence who bow to the pressure from the Militant Feminists (the minority of Feminists) who cry discrimination at every point (some are obviously valid issue but some are just stupid).

For example, the 30% women quota for women in Irish Elections (which the majority of boards members from what I've read are against). Feminists believe men and women should have equal rights which is fair but i think a lot of the Militant Feminists who think men and women socially, emotionally and physically are exactly the same, which to me is plain stupid.

I have a problem with the extreme Feminists who will cry foul that their isn't enough women in politics and force a quota of 30% of female politicians (they probably wanted 50% but 30% was a comprise). The quota is a bit counter productive for everybody as a lot of people are getting passed up for less qualified candidates. In a perfect world with no discrimination, I don't think there would be 50/50 split between Men and Women politicians as Men are naturally drawn to certain professions while women are attracted to others. Like why the majority of primary school teachers are women and garbage men are men. Forcing a 30% quota is an easy fix but it doesn't do anything to tackle the real barriers preventing women entering politics and excelling to the top of their potential.

Anyway, going a bit off track here. The point I was making was if Militant Feminists want men and women to be equal, then they should be campaigning for a 30% quota for women in jail cells but we won't hear a sound out of them because they don't really want equality, they want what suits them.

eviltwin

Hazys wrote: »

Where are the feminists who are up in arms about the inequality of such a suggestion?

I'm a feminist and I don't support this idea at all. A lot of women will feel the same.

bodice ripper

Hazys wrote: »

I wasn't calling out members of boards but in society there are too many people of influence who bow to the pressure from the Militant Feminists (the minority of Feminists) who cry discrimination at every point (some are obviously valid issue but some are just stupid).

For example, the 30% women quota for women in Irish Elections (which the majority of boards members from what I've read are against). Feminists believe men and women should have equal rights which is fair but i think a lot of the Militant Feminists who think men and women socially, emotionally and physically are exactly the same, which to me is plain stupid.

I have a problem with the extreme Feminists who will cry foul that their isn't enough women in politics and force a quota of 30% of female politicians (they probably wanted 50% but 30% was a comprise). The quota is a bit counter productive for everybody as a lot of people are getting passed up for less qualified candidates. In a perfect world with no discrimination, I don't think there would be 50/50 split between Men and Women politicians as Men are naturally drawn to certain professions while women are attracted to others. Like why the majority of primary school teachers are women and garbage men are men. Forcing a 30% quota is an easy fix but it doesn't do anything to tackle the real barriers preventing women entering politics and excelling to the top of their potential.

Anyway, going a bit off track here. The point I was making was if Militant Feminists want men and women to be equal, then they should be campaigning for a 30% quota for women in jail cells but we won't hear a sound out of them because they don't really want equality, they want what suits them.

(citations needed)

Hazys

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a feminist and I don't support this idea at all. A lot of women will feel the same.

My problem is with the Militant Feminists, who take feminism past what its supposed to stand for.

Interstellar cellar

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a feminist and I don't support this idea at all. A lot of women will feel the same.

Why do we never see feminist articles of outrage at such inequality?

crockholm

More prisons please,and when they fill up,throw a couple of bunk beds in.

Riddle101

Sexist towards men, and kind've a cop out. The law is the law at the end of the day, and you can't just make exceptions just because of what looks like a sob story tbh.

bodice ripper

Interstellar cellar wrote: »

Why do we never see feminist articles of outrage at such inequality?

Do you go looking for them? Most of the feminists I have met in real life are rarely in favour of the prison system in general

Boris Pecker

Women make up just 7 percent of the prison population.

Far more lenient sentencing for women in comparison to men will tend to have that effect.

RDM_83 again

eviltwin wrote: »

I'm a feminist and I don't support this idea at all. A lot of women will feel the same.

See the thing is I get your point, broad church and all, but in this particular case, when probably the most prominent voice of feminism in Ireland, Bacik, has similar views, you can't fault people for thinking these views are more mainstream than they really are if there isn't a visible and vocal dissociation from those voices.

Hazys

bodice ripper wrote: »

(citations needed)

I don't think you understand what an opinion is.

bodice ripper

Hazys wrote: »

I don't think you understand what an opinion is.

Ah. In your opinion, feminists think those things. Got it.

bodhrandude

So do we go to Myra Hindley and say go on now yer free, populate the Moors please, thank you and the same for Rosemary West.

Interstellar cellar

[Them.complaining"bodice ripper;92942077"]Do you go looking for them? Most of the feminists I have met in real life are rarely in favour of the prison system in general[/quote]

I never go looking for feminist articles, but feminist make enough noise that the mainstream hear them moaning about inequalities, none when women are at advantage.

bodice ripper

Interstellar cellar wrote: »

I never go looking for feminist articles, but feminist make enough noise that the mainstream hear them moaning about inequalities, none when women are at advantage.

We hear about those loons precisely because they are loons, and there's nothing like feminist outrage porn.

Hazys

bodice ripper wrote: »

Ah. In your opinion, feminists think those things. Got it.

Explain the reasoning for the 30% quota for Women politicians then, if you can get off your high conceding horse for the moment to enlighten my ignorance.

2Mad2BeMad

Give them more rights then they already have? Wow

Man is abused as a child. Commits murder and gets death sentence.

Woman is abused as child. Commits murder and gets put in an open prison with even more support.

I thought Ireland was backwards...

Lingua Franca

bodhrandude wrote: »

So do we go to Myra Hindley and say go on now yer free, populate the Moors please, thank you and the same for Rosemary West.

Hindley's long dead but West was the first one my mind flew to when I read the OP. How could you let someone like that out? She needs to kept somewhere safely away from the general public.

I'm up for prison and sentencing reform but doing away with women's jails altogether is a ridiculous idea. Women can be violent and sociopathic too.

bodice ripper

Hazys wrote: »

Explain the reasoning for the 30% quota for Women politicians then, if you can get off your high conceding horse for the moment to enlighten my ignorance.

I have no idea why this word is there.

The quota is there because somebody voted in politicians who supported the idea.

It wasn't my idea. Furthermore I think by and large the law is an ass and that jails don't benefit society at large.

It's not about women having it easy, it's about being even more unfair to men.

And since no feminist came on thread to applaud the current situation, it does rather feel like some people would love to shoehorn their rant into any topic.

Bacik can be an idiot on her own merits.

Interstellar cellar

bodice ripper wrote: »

I have no idea why this word is there.

The quota is there because somebody voted in politicians who supported the idea.

It wasn't my idea. Furthermore I think by and large the law is an ass and that jails don't benefit society at large.

It's not about women having it easy, it's about being even more unfair to men.

And since no feminist came on thread to applaud the current situation, it does rather feel like some people would love to shoehorn their rant into any topic.

Bacik can be an idiot on her own merits.

They are curiously ignoring it.

bodice ripper

Interstellar cellar wrote: »

They are curiously ignoring it.

Who is they?