chairty house callers.

cena

This evening there where callers saying they work for a charity. I won't name it the charity they said they worked for. They where looking for money to bags off for Ebola for those that had died.

Trying to get direct debit details etc. I said to they I could do it online in my own time but one of them said he had the internet and could set up the details.he kept at me to set a direct debit account had to say no.

One thing that put me off was the BMW 2014 reg they were in

DarkJager

cena wrote: »

This evening there where callers saying they work for a charity won't name it. They where looking for money to bags off for Ebola for those that had died.

Trying to get direct debit details etc. I said to they I could do it online in my own time but one of them said he had the internet and could set up the details.he kept at me to set a direct debit account had to say no.

One thing that put me off was the BMW 2014 reg.

You got scammed.

eviltwin

cena wrote: »

This evening there where callers saying they work for a charity won't name it. They where looking for money to bags off for Ebola for those that had died.

Trying to get direct debit details etc. I said to they I could do it online in my own time but one of them said he had the internet and could set up the details.he kept at me to set a direct debit account had to say no.

One thing that put me off was the BMW 2014 reg.

Well the fact they wouldn't tell you who they were working on behalf of is a massive clue. I would have shut the door in their face at that point.

cena

DarkJager wrote: »

You got scammed.

I knew it was. Would never give details out like that

Kevin McCloud

Was it a 141 or 142 bmw op?

cena

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Was it a 141 or 142 bmw op?

141

DarkJager

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Was it a 141 or 142 bmw op?

Doesn't matter what the number is, BMW drivers are reverse hedgehogs

diomed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9O6pCYyelA

Kevin McCloud

DarkJager wrote: »

Doesn't matter what the number is, BMW drivers are reverse hedgehogs

k

goz83

eviltwin wrote: »

Well the fact they wouldn't tell you who they were working on behalf of is a massive clue. I would have shut the door in their face at that point.

That is not a fact. The OP won't name the charity, not the charity callers.

cena wrote: »

I knew it was. Would never give details out like that

You suspected it was, but it likely wasn't. Most door to door charities set up direct debits and the callers are not allowed take cash. I suspect it was a well known charity that called to you with one of their latest "appeals" to save Africa.

DarkJager

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

k

U ok hun? Xx

cena

goz83 wrote: »

That is not a fact. The OP won't name the charity, not the charity callers.



You suspected it was, but it likely wasn't. Most door to door charities set up direct debits and the callers are not allowed take cash. I suspect it was a well known charity that called to you with one of their latest "appeals" to save Africa.

They where around here about 2 months ago same chairty

Chunners

cena wrote: »

They where looking for money to bags off for Ebola for those that had died.

Why were they looking for money for dead people? it's not like it will do them any good now

cena

To send bags for Ebola. I presume body bags.

foggy_lad

Those hawkers call here every so often but I just tell them I only give to local charities like the St Vincent de Paul and local hospice care team in the local hospital. I tell them to fook off to wherever the disaster they are collecting for is because I believe in charity beginning at home!

They are usually very pushy and often get smart like telling you that in the time they have been talking to you x number if babies have died horribly in some god forsaken place, this is usually when the door closes slowly in their face as I smile at them.

They are only doing a "JOB" and get paid quite well for getting their company access to your bank account

Kevin McCloud

Chunners wrote: »

Why were they looking for money for dead people? it's not like it will do them any good now

A burial is expensive, could be money for that.

Chunners

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

A burial is expensive, could be money for that.

I'd assume the state would take care of that to avoid further infection

cerastes

goz83 wrote: »

That is not a fact. The OP won't name the charity, not the charity callers.

You suspected it was, but it likely wasn't. Most door to door charities set up direct debits and the callers are not allowed take cash. I suspect it was a well known charity that called to you with one of their latest "appeals" to save Africa.

Part of them taking details is, I believe, easier for a person setting this up to forget about it and it can be difficult to get these things shut down too, with banks requiring the customer to do the legwork of contacting the organisation to shut things down from their end.
Someone signing up really relies on how reputable the charity are or how quickly they would process the transaction??
Personally, I wouldnt give details like that at the door and Im suprised anyone hands over details like that at all for a charity.
I did sign up with a utility provider like this when I was considering changing, but I rang the service provider as the guy at the door was from a company hired to do that work, I got the number myself and directly called them, they could give me his details, some kind of employee number so I knew it was legit, in the end it didnt work out to be worth the savings claimed.
To make it worse, some people do sign up for charities this way, Ive seen their details and if I was intent I might have been able to recover some details, so if they are that careless about my neighbours details they can take a jump if they think they are getting mine.

Geuze

Our taxes fund 600m of foreign aid.

No need to give anymore.

cerastes

Geuze wrote: »

Our taxes fund 600m of foreign aid.

No need to give anymore.

where do you find that information? and who decides, Id like to have alook at whos getting what, if Im not happy I'll make my opinion known to my local representative, Im sure they will nod and promptly ignore me.
But if were sending financial aid or supplies to a country that seems to have funds for military hardware upgrades (no matter how much they need it based on their neighbouring disputes), then I think we shouldnt give aid to those countries.

As much as I believe they might not actually be spending our charity iself on military equipment, just if they are arming/involved in conflict/concerns of humanitarian nature, then should we be funding them?

If charities here are unaccountable, what makes us think countries will be? maybe because our politicians want us to lookthemselves to look good/a certain way for giving aid, fcuk it, spread it around here, the problems those needing aid will no doubt be mostly much worse than those experienced here, but we can never really hope to change there, at least we might alleviate suffering here.

Duggy747

Got caught by them one Friday evening because I accidentally thought it was the Dominos pizzas we ordered, I never answer the door unless I'm expecting someone. It was for donating for refugee camps but I declined, she wanted my credit card details which I wasn't having any of and I was just coming up with excuse to get rid of her because I was being too nice.

Just at that moment, the pizza guy showed up and the chugger states in an incredibly snide attitude "Oh well! If you can afford those then why can't you afford to help people who need your help!?!"

She touched a nerve there, considering I do help with some local charities and I had a long week at work which resulted in my friendly mask falling off and promptly telling her to fúck off, that I didn't have to explain jack-shít to her about what me and the GF do with our earnings.

"Enjoy your........pizzas!!" she said in that kind of face that would turn milk sour as she walked off my driveway.

Grrr, that happened 2 years ago and it's made me angry thinking about it again.......................a pizza would calm me down, though........

cerastes

Duggy747 wrote: »

Got caught by them one Friday evening because I accidentally thought it was the Dominos pizzas we ordered, I never answer the door unless I'm expecting someone. It was for donating for refugee camps but I declined, she wanted my credit card details which I wasn't having any of and I was just coming up with excuse to get rid of her because I was being too nice.

Just at that moment, the pizza guy showed up and the chugger states in an incredibly snide attitude "Oh well! If you can afford those then why can't you afford to help people who need your help!?!"

She touched a nerve there, considering I do help with some local charities and I had a long week at work which resulted in my friendly mask falling off and promptly telling her to fúck off, that I didn't have to explain jack-shít to her about what me and the GF do with our earnings.

"Enjoy your........pizzas!!" she said in that kind of face that would turn milk sour as she walked off my driveway.

Grrr, that happened 2 years ago and it's made me angry thinking about it again.......................a pizza would calm me down, though........

was she hot?

Pumpkinseeds

I'd never give money to anyone who called to the door, other than the takeout delivery guy.

yeppydeppy

Can't these people be reported to the charity in question? I've a vague recollection of being harangued by a chugger and reporting them to the charity - I can't remember the outcome but there was some satisfaction in it.

sjb25

cena wrote: »

This evening there where callers saying they work for a charity. I won't name it the charity they said they worked for. They where looking for money to bags off for Ebola for those that had died.

Trying to get direct debit details etc. I said to they I could do it online in my own time but one of them said he had the internet and could set up the details.he kept at me to set a direct debit account had to say no.

One thing that put me off was the BMW 2014 reg they were in

A lot of those guys work on commission that's why he wanted to do it for you he will get extra pay I volunteer for a well known irish/international charity and people called to my door to collect money for them bear in mind I am wearing a jumper with the charity logo on and this guy still tryd his best to get me to sign up for a direct debit even tho I told him I was a member and that if I want to do that il do it myself (even showed him a membership card and had the jumper on) he STILL wanted me to sign up cheeky fcuk.... Got rid of him rang our head office they where legit but a outsourced company for fundraising so would be on commission for more direct debits they set up I logged a complaint against him he was bit of a bully tbh was not impressed

BobMc

I hate any sort of cold callers, I'm usually the one sent to the door as the wife is a bit soft, I'm straight with them all be it charity, airtricity etc etc, a straight no nonsense NO THANK YOU! and start closing the door, dont even let them start their speil, Wife is always saying that was a bit rude, well if they dont like it dont knock on MY DOOR!

MugMugs

Treat every unwanted knock at the door like it's the TV licence inspector. Never have an issue with charity callers

Simples.

grundie

We have a sign in the window next to the door that says "No callers without prior appointment". Salesmen generally respect it, charity callers don't.

SEPT 23 1989

emptying the chamber pot from the upstairs window usually does the trick with these licensed beggars

draiochtanois

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Geuze

cerastes wrote: »

where do you find that information? and who decides, Id like to have alook at whos getting what, if Im not happy I'll make my opinion known to my local representative, Im sure they will nod and promptly ignore me.
But if were sending financial aid or supplies to a country that seems to have funds for military hardware upgrades (no matter how much they need it based on their neighbouring disputes), then I think we shouldnt give aid to those countries.

As much as I believe they might not actually be spending our charity iself on military equipment, just if they are arming/involved in conflict/concerns of humanitarian nature, then should we be funding them?

If charities here are unaccountable, what makes us think countries will be? maybe because our politicians want us to lookthemselves to look good/a certain way for giving aid, fcuk it, spread it around here, the problems those needing aid will no doubt be mostly much worse than those experienced here, but we can never really hope to change there, at least we might alleviate suffering here.

https://www.dfa.ie/

https://www.dfa.ie/our-role-policies/irish-aid/

What we spend
Ireland allocated €637.10 million in Official Development Assistance (ODA) in 2013. This represents 0.46% of Gross National product (GNP).

€496.7 million was managed by Irish Aid
€140.39 million was accounted for through other Government departments and our share of the EU Development Co-operation Budget
Irish Aid funds are spent using a mix of funding approaches to support development programmes in our partner countries, the work of international organisations such as the UN or World Bank, and the work of Irish, national and international non governmental organisations. Irish Aid funding is also used to support emergency and humanitarian crises.

You can find a detailed breakdown of Irish Aid’s spending in our Annual Reports.

Geuze

cerastes wrote: »

where do you find that information? and who decides, Id like to have alook at whos getting what, if Im not happy I'll make my opinion known to my local representative, Im sure they will nod and promptly ignore me.
But if were sending financial aid or supplies to a country that seems to have funds for military hardware upgrades (no matter how much they need it based on their neighbouring disputes), then I think we shouldnt give aid to those countries.

As much as I believe they might not actually be spending our charity iself on military equipment, just if they are arming/involved in conflict/concerns of humanitarian nature, then should we be funding them?

If charities here are unaccountable, what makes us think countries will be? maybe because our politicians want us to lookthemselves to look good/a certain way for giving aid, fcuk it, spread it around here, the problems those needing aid will no doubt be mostly much worse than those experienced here, but we can never really hope to change there, at least we might alleviate suffering here.

https://www.irishaid.ie/

Annual Report:

https://www.irishaid.ie/news-publications/publications/publicationsarchive/2014/july/irish-aid-2013-annual-report/

PDF:

https://www.irishaid.ie/media/irishaid/allwebsitemedia/20newsandpublications/publicationpdfsenglish/irish-aid-2013-annual-report.pdf

The_Captain

Last Friday I was absolutely plagued with charity callers. They were seriously at the door every ten minutes or so looking for me to donate food to hungry children.

The first couple of times, I handed over a few tins I had spare in the kitchen, beans, peas, that kid of thing. You know, stuff that could be put to good use by hungry families.
But these collectors looked at me like I was some sort of selfish scumbag, they kept asking for nice food!
Eh hello, I'm hardly going to be handing over steaks to door-to-door chuggers, get over it.


Since when are children allowed to collect for charity anyway?

knarkypants

grundie wrote: »

We have a sign in the window next to the door that says "No callers without prior appointment". Salesmen generally respect it, charity callers don't.

Yeah I have a similar sign on my door. A charity caller still knocked on my door. I just pointed to the sign. He read it and then said "That doesn't apply to me". At that point I didn't hold back, told him to f*ck off and never come back. :pac:

Pinch Flat

cerastes wrote: »

where do you find that information?

Freely available on the google machine. €637m to be precise in 2013.


https://www.irishaid.ie/what-we-do/how-our-aid-works/where-the-money-goes/

Aglomerado

cerastes wrote: »

was she hot?

I hope the pizzas were hotter!

FullblownRose

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

A burial is expensive, could be money for that.

Sorry to be crass but I think the ebola victims are supposed to be ehm cremated

goz83

foggy_lad wrote: »

Those hawkers call here every so often but I just tell them I only give to local charities like the St Vincent de Paul and local hospice care team in the local hospital. I tell them to fook off to wherever the disaster they are collecting for is because I believe in charity beginning at home!

I don't give to charity anymore. Nit since that whole CRC scandal and I was signed up on DD with them.

I certainly wouldn't give to SVP. Not long ago, they were caught paying the mortgages of a couple of affluent families who could no longer afford to gloss their ryvita with caviar.

cerastes wrote: »

Part of them taking details is, I believe, easier for a person setting this up to forget about it and it can be difficult to get these things shut down too, with banks requiring the customer to do the legwork of contacting the organisation to shut things down from their end.
Someone signing up really relies on how reputable the charity are or how quickly they would process the transaction??
Personally, I wouldnt give details like that at the door and Im suprised anyone hands over details like that at all for a charity.
I did sign up with a utility provider like this when I was considering changing, but I rang the service provider as the guy at the door was from a company hired to do that work, I got the number myself and directly called them, they could give me his details, some kind of employee number so I knew it was legit, in the end it didnt work out to be worth the savings claimed.
To make it worse, some people do sign up for charities this way, Ive seen their details and if I was intent I might have been able to recover some details, so if they are that careless about my neighbours details they can take a jump if they think they are getting mine.

They do DD because they then have regular donations, rather than the once a year fiver most people will put into the trocaire box. Irish people like to think we are very charitable, but in my experience, we are usually just lazy and money wouldn't go to charity unless it was made convenience for us.

OSI wrote: »

Interviewed for a charity years ago when I was in college. Was told if I got 15 people to sign up a week, I'd make €600. Madness.

You were told lies. 15 sign ups would not get you half that amount in most agencies.

cerastes

MugMugs wrote: »

Treat every unwanted knock at the door like it's the TV licence inspector. Never have an issue with charity callers

Simples.

Hide the TV in the attic? Every time?

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Freely available on the google machine. €637m to be precise in 2013.


https://www.irishaid.ie/what-we-do/how-our-aid-works/where-the-money-goes/

That's great,thanks I thanked the first reply,that's great but unless I have something specific to go on I think I can and did get what I requested,instead of being uncertain,I'm sure these are noble and worthwhile and if it raises someone's chances then great,so long as it's effective,but how is the argument made two someone here who cannot get support,that the money is better sent abroad?

goz83 wrote: »

I don't give to charity anymore. Nit since that whole CRC scandal and I was signed up on DD with them.

I certainly wouldn't give to SVP. Not long ago, they were caught paying the mortgages of a couple of affluent families who could no longer afford to gloss their ryvita with caviar.



They do DD because they then have regular donations, rather than the once a year fiver most people will put into the trocaire box. Irish people like to think we are very charitable, but in my experience, we are usually just lazy and money wouldn't go to charity unless it was made convenience for us.



You were told lies. 15 sign ups would not get you half that amount in most agencies.

Anything on this mortgage thing? Genuinely curios, previous Poster might weigh in with the Google answer but if you have it already great.

Kevin McCloud

FullblownRose wrote: »

Sorry to be crass but I think the ebola victims are supposed to be ehm cremated

Apologies for not being an ebola undertaker expert.

Chunners

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Apologies for not being an ebola undertaker expert.

No worries he is wrong they are not always cremated, the procedure is that before they can leave the hospital they are put in two body bags, unlike a normal death no one can clean them, they cannot be embalmed.They are either cremated or put in a into a hermetically sealed casket by trained mortuary personnel wearing head-to-toe protective gear and then buried. Either way the government would pay for it to make sure it is done by the book. No matter what the country is there is no way they would trust their citizens to do it right and follow all the protocols they have in place to properly dispose of an Ebola body because if Mr f**k up or Mr "lets do it on the cheap" paid a visit then one case could easily become 1 million cases

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/remains-ebola-victim-thomas-eric-duncan-handled/story?id=26048687 <--- Source

Mink

grundie wrote: »

We have a sign in the window next to the door that says "No callers without prior appointment". Salesmen generally respect it, charity callers don't.

I have a sign that says "no door to door promoters please". This cuts out, salesmen, chuggers and politicians doing canvassing. I mainly put it up as they always seemed to ring the bell just as is out baby down for nap/bed.

cerastes

The_Captain wrote: »

Last Friday I was absolutely plagued with charity callers. They were seriously at the door every ten minutes or so looking for me to donate food to hungry children.
Since when are children allowed to collect for charity anyway?

Plague is so 1345, will they update that and say "I was absolutely ebola'd with charity callers" it doesnt seem to have the same ring to it though.

FullblownRose wrote: »

Sorry to be crass but I think the ebola victims are supposed to be ehm cremated

According to the movies, guys come in with flame throwers and flame the lot, or drop a daisy cutter on them. I wouldnt be suprised at the former.

Chunners wrote: »

No worries he is wrong they are not always cremated, the procedure is that before they can leave the hospital they are put in two body bags, unlike a normal death no one can clean them, they cannot be embalmed.They are either cremated or put in a into a hermetically sealed casket by trained mortuary personnel wearing head-to-toe protective gear and then buried. Either way the government would pay for it to make sure it is done by the book. No matter what the country is there is no way they would trust their citizens to do it right and follow all the protocols they have in place to properly dispose of an Ebola body because if Mr f**k up or Mr "lets do it on the cheap" paid a visit then one case could easily become 1 million cases

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/remains-ebola-victim-thomas-eric-duncan-handled/story?id=26048687 <--- Source

Which is it? not burned, then but in a container, burned and then buried.

corner of hells

goz83 wrote: »

I don't give to charity anymore. Nit since that whole CRC scandal and I was signed up on DD with them.

I certainly wouldn't give to SVP. Not long ago, they were caught paying the mortgages of a couple of affluent families who could no longer afford to gloss their ryvita with caviar.



They do DD because they then have regular donations, rather than the once a year fiver most people will put into the trocaire box. Irish people like to think we are very charitable, but in my experience, we are usually just lazy and money wouldn't go to charity unless it was made convenience for us.



You were told lies. 15 sign ups would not get you half that amount in most agencies.

Tells us more about SVP paying peoples mortgages , particularly the "getting caught" part.

goz83

corner of hells wrote: »

Tells us more about SVP paying peoples mortgages , particularly the "getting caught" part.

I can't locate the story, but this was only back in 2010. In 2012, I know someone who personally git SVP to pay for two full oil refills (costing around €900 each) as well as having other bills paid over the period of year. This person got Dunnes Stores vouchers from SVP on an almost weekly basis as well as tickets and spending money for a holiday to Another eu country to visit family. It was disgusting. I know money was tight for this person, but the help sought was far in excess of what was needed.

Yawns

Any unsolicited callers get the same treatment from me. A polite no. It never ends there tho, so a firm no follows. If they don't leave then, they just get told to **** off. Most get the hint by the second no, but sometimes there's a stubborn ****er who just can't grasp it...

ABajaninCork

BobMc wrote: »

I hate any sort of cold callers, I'm usually the one sent to the door as the wife is a bit soft, I'm straight with them all be it charity, airtricity etc etc, a straight no nonsense NO THANK YOU! and start closing the door, dont even let them start their speil, Wife is always saying that was a bit rude, well if they dont like it dont knock on MY DOOR!

It's the opposite in our house. My husband usually sends me as I'M usually the one who tells unwanted callers the score!!

B.A._Baracus

Just had a guy call to my door. Took a few seconds to answer it so he was in the middle of the drive way walking out.
I politely say "charity is it?" and he politely replies with "no, dont worry i am not looking for money". So he walks back to the door and we end up chatting for about 40 seconds. He was from Dogs trust and they are looking for support. So I ask what do you mean by support? ... "we're looking for donations" he says :rolleyes:

I don't know why I even open the door to these people :pac:
There is giving someone the usual spiel and then there is trying to work someone. Like if you want me to donate then say up front you're looking for donations.

Capt'n Midnight

Anyone asking for charitable donations or pretending to be a charity can get up to 10 years in prison. IIRC this means you an make a citizens arrest.


Charities Act 2009

41.— (1) Any person who—

(a) advertises on behalf of, or causes another person to advertise on behalf of, a charitable organisation that is not registered or deemed to be registered,

(b) invites, or causes another person to invite, members of the public to give money or property to a charitable organisation that is not registered or deemed to be registered, or

(c) accepts, or causes another person to accept, a gift of money or other property on behalf of a charitable organisation that is not registered or deemed to be registered,

shall be guilty of an offence.

10.— (1) A person guilty of an offence under this Act shall be liable—

(a) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding €5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both, or

(b) on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding €300,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or to both.

Capt'n Midnight

Geuze wrote: »

Our taxes fund 600m of foreign aid.

No need to give anymore.

If we had fair trade we wouldn't need Aid.

nett cash flow is from Africa to the rich countries.

While we should feel guilt about the govt. not keeping aid promises Irish Aid is well spent compared to other countries foreign aid.

how many 600m's would you get for the money that was put into that bank ?

berger89

Do the posters who've said they get charity callers living in towns/cities?? we nevr get any here thank god. just once a year someone from the local gaa club comes around selling tickets but thats about it. i thought the days of people calling to your door were gone?
although saying that, we've had people trying to sell pillows (from brown thomas, apparently ) and sets of knives and the like.
but never charity callers