**Spoilers** Series 8, Episode 12 - "Death in Heaven"

pixelburp

I have a sneaking suspicion that with Christmas just around the corner (ergh), this finale is going to end on a bombshell, or some form of cliffhanger anyway. Can't see them tying everything together and letting the Xmas special just hang around with nothing to do.

Quite happy to see

the return of UNIT; Kate Stewart has been a good addition; ditto Osgood who'd make a good companion, though I'm not sure she'd work well against Capaldi's Doc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFZaqsaJ4eE

Mr Bloat

Thanks for posting but I'm not going to watch this trailer. I was annoyed with myself for watching last week's one because it spoiled the Cyberman reveal and don't want anything spoiled for this episode.

Axwell

Here. We. Go!

TheDoctor

How much?

TheDoctor

Manscout

Angron

Balls, was cooking and missed the first 15 minutes.

Angron

Awh, it's a bit touching to think the Doctor would salute the Brigadier.

TheDoctor

That was poor enough

TheDoctor

Santa Claus in the Christmas episode..... dear lord

Lord TSC

I....I....I loved it. Awesome.

Busi_Girl08

Hugely underwhelming I thought. And was that Clara's exit?

yaines

TheDoctor wrote: »

That was poor enough

Agreed. Poor Osgood though.

FloatingVoter

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Hugely underwhelming I thought. And was that Clara's exit?

Nah...Santa (Nick Frost) told him she's wasn't alright. She'll probably be back for Christmas.

Hashtag_HEEL

I have only one major gripe. OSGOOD!

TheDoctor

Clara is in the xmas episode, been confirmed

Manach

From the trailers and the episodes up till now, excepted fireworks. Instead got a damp squib. Schmaltzy and disjointed in pace and tone, with pop-culture references taking the place of plot and resolution. As for the ending, truly face palm worthy.

TheDoctor

It was cringe

flazio

Gutted about Osgood, I'm only hoping that was her Zygon and the real one is still out there.

lynski

Very much enjoyed in this house by all.

Ginny

Poor Osgood! It was very Meh, in fairness Danny redeemed his crappiness so far. Actually looking forward to Nick frost though!

BuffyBot

Could well be the counterpart..

As a whole it had a few really cracking moments, but suffered from a bit too much over wrought emotions.


As for Santa, it kind of reminded me of Donna's arrival on the TARDIS. Sad mopey doctor. Unexpected visitor etc.

Ginny

For a second I thought it was Chris Addisons voice.....:)

DirtyBollox

Afraid it's not osgoods counterpart, made a big show about in that episode that the counterpart didn't need the inhaler.

flazio

DirtyBollox wrote: »

Afraid it's not osgoods counterpart, made a big show about in that episode that the counterpart didn't need the inhaler.

And I don't recall Osgood using her Inhaler here.

Beano

flazio wrote: »

And I don't recall Osgood using her Inhaler here.

she was shown using her inhaler

The_Valeyard

My review.


'Meh'

Das Kitty

That was fairly disturbing and mawkish. I don't know how that's possible...

Witchie

Really enjoyed it and cried 4 times. Dammit I must be very hormonal.

Busi_Girl08

Right. I've had a chance to think about it:

A lot of unanswered questions about Missy/Master. For one thing why did she suddenly put on a Scottish accent a quarter way into the episode? (My housemate was jabbering to me at the time so I couldn't hear what the guy said about it)
How the sam willy heck did she survive? - Also was Gallifrey *meant* to be at those co-ordinates?

How did the Brigadier Cyberman defy Danny's commands to stop and save Kate? Lovely scene as it was.

Oswald was another victim of the mid-episode invite to join the Doctor curse

Still overall......eh. Wasn't too bowled over by the "Clara no, he'll kill you!!!....Actually he won't" ending. The image of the Cyberman leading the others to death was pretty cool though. And I did like the Doctor's speech.

Christmas should be ..interesting. It was only a matter of time until we got Santa. What are we thinking, Santa's an android?

Witchie

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Right. I've had a chance to think about it:

A lot of unanswered questions about Missy/Master. For one thing why did she suddenly put on a Scottish accent a quarter way into the episode? (My housemate was jabbering to me at the time so I couldn't hear what the guy said about it)
How the sam willy heck did she survive? - Also was Gallifrey *meant* to be at those co-ordinates?

How did the Brigadier Cyberman defy Danny's commands to stop and save Kate? Lovely scene as it was.

Oswald was another victim of the mid-episode invite to join the Doctor curse

Still overall......eh. Wasn't too bowled over by the "Clara no, he'll kill you!!!....Actually he won't" ending. The image of the Cyberman leading the others to death was pretty cool though. And I did like the Doctor's speech.

Christmas should be ..interesting. It was only a matter of time until we got Santa. What are we thinking, Santa's an android?

I thought she always had a slight Scottish accent.

He had caught and saved Kate before Danny took control.

Mr Bloat

That was poor in a lot of respects and quite depressing too. Why did the Doctor and Clara lie to each other at the end? I get that they were both trying to let the other down gently but what was the point of it, story wise? We've already had an episode ending with Clara telling the Doctor to eff off and everyone presuming that she wouldn't be around for the next episode because she wasn't shown in the trailer (the Orient Express one) and now it looks like the same is going to happen here.
It really annoyed me that all of the stuff we saw in the trailer for Dark Water regarding Clara declaring that 'Clara Oswold never existed' was only a ruse to fool the Cybermen in the end. The trailer had us all (well, quite a few anyway) thinking that she wasn't who she seemed to be all along. The actuality of it was a bit of a damp squib. It shows how poor the plot of the finale was when they had moments like that in the trailer, when it wasn't a major part of the story. The trailer showed Clara saying she never existed and attempting to destroy the Tardis keys, leading many to think that that would be the plot of the finale, whereas both scenes really had nothing to do with the overall story.
I'd imagine there will be a fair bit of fan irritation at Osgood's death. She was 'one of us', a fan of the Doctor, enjoyed a bit of cosplay, a bit geeky and to give her an undignified death like that was poor, I thought. Just before the Master threatened her, I had been thinking that she would make a good companion!
What was the point of bringing back a major enemy like the Master and having her obliterated at the end? I don't understand why the Moffat would bother doing that when there was major plot holes/questions over how the Master could have gotten back from a time locked Gallifrey in the first place, only to have the character destroyed utterly at the end. Surely there can be no coming back from that kind of death for the Master, it'll be extremely crappy if the find a lame way to write him/her back in to the story in a future episode. What a waste of a character. It would have made more sense to have Missy be someone like the Rani (or anyone at all, just not the Master), whose death in the end wouldn't have matter too much in the grand scheme of things.
All in all, I expected a lot more from this. Peter Capaldi was, once again, the only saving grace in the whole thing. I think it's high time that Moffat took a back seat in the script writing duties. He has written some of the best episodes in the revival of Doctor Who but in my opinion, he is losing his touch.