Irish newspapers and TV spoilers

shampoosuicide

there seems to be a thing that Irish newspapers have (particularly with Love/Hate) where they literally give zero ****s about plastering spoilers on their front pages, a day after an episode has been aired. i don't even care about Love/Hate personally, but it struck me as really weird and flagrant.

i mean it's not like a careless facebook post- Surely someone at some point in the editorial process might stop and say 'hold on guys, we might piss off one or two people with that...' whose interest is it in to print it? people who've already seen the episode? it's just really bizarre. does it go on in other countries?

wp_rathead

Never forgive Irish Indo giving away a massive spoiler about GoT. B*stards!

For Forks Sake

Love/Hate is Fair City with added weaponry.

Mr. Incognito

Stop reading the rags.

No spoilers in the Times or the Guardian

Simonigs1.0

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Love/Hate is Fair City with added weaponry.

Relevant..

Cookie_Monster

wprathead wrote: »

Never forgive Irish Indo giving away a massive spoiler about GoT. B*stards!

I don't understand the rage about GoT spoilers. the books are common knowledge after all, if you can't be bothered to read them and only rely on the series it's your own fault.

For Forks Sake

Simonigs1.0 wrote: »

Relevant..

Yes. It's sh1te. There you go.

shampoosuicide

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Stop reading the rags.

No spoilers in the Times or the Guardian

You don't even need to read them, though. if it's on the front page all it takes is stumbling across it while you're going to the jacks at work.

Richard Hillman

I dont watch Love/Hate myself but I remember when one of the members got shot as a cliff hanger. The Herald had on their front page a picture of the actor back in filming on their front page for the next series. I seen the massive front cover poster on a newspaper stand and was just plain angry that they would spoil something like that. It may have been some sort of prequal or ghost thing but still.

I was also in a petrol station the other day and some crappy womens magazine had an Eastenders spoiler on the front page. Its impossible to avoid the damn things.

mikemac1

shampoosuicide wrote: »

plastering spoilers on their front pages, a day after an episode has been aired.

if the episode has aired it's not a spoiler

The Backwards Man

I'll never forgive the Mirror for revealing what happened in Titanic.

martinedwards

mikemac1 wrote: »

if the episode has aired it's not a spoiler

What he said.

if you can't be bothered to watch the show when it's on the telly, don't whinge when other folk, either on the bus in in publishing, talk about it.

Grayson

To be fair with love/hate it's only shown on RTE isn't it? with the exception of people who save it on sky plus, it's not like anyone's going to see it later.

Going Strong

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Stop reading the rags.

No spoilers in the Times or the Guardian

There most certainly is in The Sunday times. Barely a week goes by without them having a short article about a documentary on a non-Sky channel due to be broadcast in the upcoming week. It will lay out the topic of the programme and invariably tells you said show's conclusion as a spoiler saving you the bother of watching it. Mostly seems to be BBC or Channel 4 shows that get this treatment - never anything on Discovery, National Geographic or anything carried on the Sky system.

C14N

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I don't understand the rage about GoT spoilers. the books are common knowledge after all, if you can't be bothered to read them and only rely on the series it's your own fault.

They're not common knowledge at all. Most people who read the books have the courtesy not to spoil the show for people who haven't. Even the Game of Thrones wiki keeps things spoiler-free for show-watchers.

mikemac1 wrote: »

if the episode has aired it's not a spoiler

So as soon as a film premieres giving away the ending stops being spoiler? Because most film reviews for the Sixth Sense or Fight Club didn't drop the ending twist just because everyone should have seen it already. Not everyone gets to watch things the very moment they're released and especially nowadays when a lot of people can record it and don't get to watch it until later in the week, not spoiling it is just common decency.

Daith

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I don't understand the rage about GoT spoilers. the books are common knowledge after all, if you can't be bothered to read them and only rely on the series it's your own fault.

The books are not common knowledge. The TV show has brought in a bigger audience.

Also there are differences between the books and TV show so even having knowledge of the books doesn't mean you can't be spoiled.

mikemac1

Hard to please everyone

I got given out to in the boards film forum for discussing the ending of Se7en

That came out in 1995 :rolleyes:

kbell

Last week on Monday morning (after ep 4 was shown) the sun had a love/hate season finale spoiler across the front page.

padd b1975

mikemac1 wrote: »

if the episode has aired it's not a spoiler

As far as I'm concerned, once it has aired on terrestrial TV, it's fair game.

Anything exclusive to satellite/Netflix etc etc then a little discretion wouldn't go astray.

Philo Beddoe

mikemac1 wrote: »

Hard to please everyone

I got given out to in the boards film forum for discussing the ending of Se7en

That came out in 1995 :rolleyes:

Did you use the

tag?

After all, there are probably people on the film board who weren't born in 1995.

VinLieger

LOL people still read newspaper's

Seriously though it's just outdated media trying to stay relevant and consistently failing miserably at it

The_Captain

C14N wrote: »

So as soon as a film premieres giving away the ending stops being spoiler?

No one mentioned films because (a) papers generally don't spoil current films and (b) it's a poor comparison.

If you're a big fan, you'll have watched the show

caolfx

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I don't understand the rage about GoT spoilers. the books are common knowledge after all, if you can't be bothered to read them and only rely on the series it's your own fault.

That's some stupid flawed logic you have there.

Some people might enjoy a TV show such as Game of Tgrones, but may not necessarily be into those types of books. Crazy isn't it!?

Also, they are not common knowledge. That sentence assumes a lot.

Movies and TV shows don't always follow the books they're based on to a tee, so even if one had read the books, it's not to say the TV show couldn't be spoiled.

Nobody's at fault for not reading a book and liking a TV show. People are different and like different things. This probably comes as a shock to you.

In fact, I'm not into the types of books that you'd base a TV show on, but it doesn't mean I'm at fault for wanting to enjoy a story conveyed through a particular medium.

TL;DR - your post is silly.

ceegee

I dont get who the papers are aiming spoilers at that they publish the next day. Those who have yet to see it will be pissed off and if you have seen it you hardly need a front page picture to remind you that a character died.

C14N

The_Captain wrote: »

No one mentioned films because (a) papers generally don't spoil current films and (b) it's a poor comparison.

If you're a big fan, you'll have watched the show

I know they don't, that was my point, because they know a lot of people reading who plan on seeing it might not have seen it yet. They don't just say "if you were that interested you'd have already watched it" or "it's already been out for 2 days so it's not even a spoiler anymore".

Really big fans might watch it on release, but there are plenty of just regular fans who aren't that eager and don't mind waiting a day or two and still don't want it spoiled.

The_Captain

C14N wrote: »

fans who aren't that eager

If they aren't eager enough to watch the show then they can't complain that the people who do are talking about it

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

The Western People gave away the entire ending of the fifth Harry Potter when it came out. Literally everything, they didn't leave a single detail out of the review. I couldn't believe their stupidity.

floggg

shampoosuicide wrote: »

there seems to be a thing that Irish newspapers have (particularly with Love/Hate) where they literally give zero ****s about plastering spoilers on their front pages, a day after an episode has been aired. i don't even care about Love/Hate personally, but it struck me as really weird and flagrant.

i mean it's not like a careless facebook post- Surely someone at some point in the editorial process might stop and say 'hold on guys, we might piss off one or two people with that...' whose interest is it in to print it? people who've already seen the episode? it's just really bizarre. does it go on in other countries?

Oh ffs.

If they papers and news media in general don't feel any remorse about milking, twisting and exploiting human tragedies, accidents, scandals and everything else, why would they give a flying **** whether you watched a show or not.

Besides, there are far more idiots who will buy the paper to read about the show then there are idiots who will be upset by spoilers.

As long as idiots are buying, they don't care about anything else.

shampoosuicide

martinedwards wrote: »

What he said.

if you can't be bothered to watch the show when it's on the telly, don't whinge when other folk, either on the bus in in publishing, talk about it.

yeah sorry, i forgot that i have literally nothing else to do in life than sit by my tv waiting for the next show to come on. you too, obviously.

Philo Beddoe

ceegee wrote: »

I dont get who the papers are aiming spoilers at that they publish the next day. Those who have yet to see it will be pissed off and if you have seen it you hardly need a front page picture to remind you that a character died.

There are plenty of people out there who don't give a damn about spoilers, and who will actively hunt down info about a show they like rather than have it presented to them as intended by the makers. I had a friend who used to read the last few pages of a book to decide if she like the ending before reading the rest.

dquinnan

I wouldn't like to be a Love/Hate fan alright. It's heavily plugged, with pictures of the latest murder or whatever, in nearly every paper going most days. All the more reason (along with every idiot I know on Facebook claiming it's brilliant, same people who've said shows like The Sopranos and The Wire are boring!) to never watch it.

martinedwards

shampoosuicide wrote: »

yeah sorry, i forgot that i have literally nothing else to do in life than sit by my tv waiting for the next show to come on. you too, obviously.

when I was a kid (in the olden days, obviously) folks saw something on tv and then talked about it the next day.

it was assumed that if you hadn't seen it, then you'd want to know what happened as sky plus hadn't been invented.

you REALLY expect the whole world top not talk about something that was broadcast just because someone might have had something else to do the night before?

really?

C14N

The_Captain wrote: »

If they aren't eager enough to watch the show then they can't complain that the people who do are talking about it

Yes they can. There are a significant number of people who like a show but don't have their lives revolving around it or who are still catching up and it's so easy to just not spoil it on them. If I'm talking about Game of Thrones and someone who hasn't seen it is around, it's really not that hard to just be polite enough to not ruin it on them, not just be a dick and say "tough sh!te, it's been out for literally dozens of hours now and since you weren't hardcore enough to watch it when I did, you don't get to enjoy it the way I did".

C14N

martinedwards wrote: »

when I was a kid (in the olden days, obviously) folks saw something on tv and then talked about it the next day.

it was assumed that if you hadn't seen it, then you'd want to know what happened as sky plus hadn't been invented.

you REALLY expect the whole world top not talk about something that was broadcast just because someone might have had something else to do the night before?

really?

The entire TV industry was so incredibly different back then that you're comparing apples to oranges. Very few TV shows even had strong over-arching plots pre-2000 so there was hardly anything to spoil and even if they did, you'd be required to hear it so you could catch up for next week because there was no way to see it in between. Now it seems like a minority of people who actually watch stuff live because technology has moved forward.

Nobody says the whole world has to stop talking about it, but most people still at least put some kind of a warning up. If it's on a message board or website, you expect spoiler alerts and if it's in regular conversation you just ask if the person you're talking to is up to date and if they are, there's no problem, if not then you find something else to talk about.

YFlyer

Imagine if there was spoilers for who shot JR

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

dquinnan wrote: »

I wouldn't like to be a Love/Hate fan alright. It's heavily plugged, with pictures of the latest murder or whatever, in nearly every paper going most days. All the more reason (along with every idiot I know on Facebook claiming it's brilliant, same people who've said shows like The Sopranos and The Wire are boring!) to never watch it.

That and the fact its ****e.

ptee1

Yes this is why I started watching Love/Hate week to week. I hate spoilers and it kept getting spoiled in the papers.

martinedwards

C14N wrote: »

Nobody says the whole world has to stop talking about it, but most people still at least put some kind of a warning up. If it's on a message board or website, you expect spoiler alerts and if it's in regular conversation you just ask if the person you're talking to is up to date and if they are, there's no problem, if not then you find something else to talk about.

Oh Behave.

this is the real world where people talk and newspapers need to sell copy and TV shows need viewers.

you REALLY think that the BBC/RTE/SKY wont have whoever was voted off whatever their flagship show on the morning magazine show just because someone might have been watching the other side last night?

I hope that day never comes!

DoYouEvenLift

I hate few people more than kunts that spoil movies and shows. You really have to be either a totally oblivious, idiotic kunt or just a complete kunt to not consider other people not having seen it before you just unload important details of shows they are or may be interested in. Do they even fuking realise they just ruined the story for people who haven't seen it?


The Facebook posters are the worst, it's like they rush to be the first idiot to post their sh!t statuses that get a few sh!t likes to make their sh!t life less sh!t for a few seconds before resuming being a sh!t kunt.


How hard is prefacing spoilers with ***SPOILERS***


I'm glad it's just love/hate being spoiled on front pages though...since it's low budget trash

shampoosuicide

martinedwards wrote: »

Oh Behave.

this is the real world where people talk and newspapers need to sell copy and TV shows need viewers.

you REALLY think that the BBC/RTE/SKY wont have whoever was voted off whatever their flagship show on the morning magazine show just because someone might have been watching the other side last night?

I hope that day never comes!

why do you hope that day never comes?

C14N

martinedwards wrote: »

Oh Behave.

this is the real world where people talk and newspapers need to sell copy and TV shows need viewers.

you REALLY think that the BBC/RTE/SKY wont have whoever was voted off whatever their flagship show on the morning magazine show just because someone might have been watching the other side last night?

I hope that day never comes!

I would honestly love it if they all stopped talking about reality TV shows forever

But really, reality TV is very different and it's far more ephemeral than scripted TV. It doesn't have an actual overarching plot, it's all broadcast "live" (or at least very soon after recording) and really, nobody ever goes back to watch it again later. Talking about someone losing a competition is closer to talking about sports results than talking about The Walking Dead.

DMcL1971

Well, I didn't get a chance to see the finale of Love/Hate last night, but I guess I don't have to as the front cover of both the Sun and Mirror showed me, at 7:00 this morning, what happened. Great big full colour photos on the front page so that there was no way I could avoid it.

shampoosuicide

DMcL1971 wrote: »

Well, I didn't get a chance to see the finale of Love/Hate last night, but I guess I don't have to as the front cover of both the Sun and Mirror showed me, at 7:00 this morning, what happened. Great big full colour photos on the front page so that there was no way I could avoid it.

you heard

ThinkAboutIt

Anyone that goes on facebook or reads a paper expecting no one to mention the series finale of the hottest tv show in ireland is a retard.

pigmounter

It's common decency to warn people about spoilers if you're posting on FB or in a conversation with somebody. If you overhear it or whatever then its just tough luck unfortunately. People should know by now that if they go on FB that it will be spoiled by somebody.

I dont get why the papers spoil something that hasnt aired yet though. Why do they assume that people will want to know whats going to happen? I know its common practice with soaps but they should have a bit of cop on that shows like Love/Hate are different.

DMcL1971

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

Anyone that goes on facebook or reads a paper expecting no one to mention the series finale of the hottest tv show in ireland is a retard.

First, thanks for calling me a retard, nice work.
Secondly, there is a full colour picture across the front page of the paper. Because I have functioning eyeballs I saw it.

Chunners

pigmounter wrote: »

It's common decency to warn people about spoilers if you're posting on FB or in a conversation with somebody. If you overhear it or whatever then its just tough luck unfortunately. People should know by now that if they go on FB that it will be spoiled by somebody.

I dont get why the papers spoil something that hasnt aired yet though. Why do they assume that people will want to know whats going to happen? I know its common practice with soaps but they should have a bit of cop on that shows like Love/Hate are different.

It's called "gossip" and gossip isn't gossip if you aren't the first to tell everyone, no one buys a paper with the tag line "You heard it here second" now do they?

The_Captain

Nidge killed Siobhan last night

Cookie_Monster

BadPanda wrote: »

That's some stupid flawed logic you have there.

Some people might enjoy a TV show such as Game of Tgrones, but may not necessarily be into those types of books. Crazy isn't it!?

sure is!

Also, they are not common knowledge. That sentence assumes a lot.

they're best sellers and have sold millions of copies... even the most cursory interest in the tv series will make you aware of the original books

Movies and TV shows don't always follow the books they're based on to a tee, so even if one had read the books, it's not to say the TV show couldn't be spoiled.

mightn't be 100% the same but the overall story is pretty much the same, same characters etc.

Nobody's at fault for not reading a book and liking a TV show. People are different and like different things. This probably comes as a shock to you.

nope, not at all.

In fact, I'm not into the types of books that you'd base a TV show on, but it doesn't mean I'm at fault for wanting to enjoy a story conveyed through a particular medium.

no, not at all. Anyway GoT is just one that particularly annoys me as the books are far far superior to the tv show, which gets ridiculously ott ratings for an only above average show, yet people go bananas over it.

TL;DR - your post is silly.

TL:DR the books are far better, go and read them

DoYouEvenLift

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

sure is!

they're best sellers and have sold millions of copies... even the most cursory interest in the tv series will make you aware of the original books

mightn't be 100% the same but the overall story is pretty much the same, same characters etc.

nope, not at all.
no, not at all. Anyway GoT is just one that particularly annoys me as the books are far far superior to the tv show, which gets ridiculously ott ratings for an only above average show, yet people go bananas over it.


TL:DR the books are far better, go and read them

Books usually are. It'll take years but I'm waiting until the show and books are finished so I can have watched it all and then read through the books to get all the details the show left out. Especially the battles. Most of my friends have read the books so far but they're sound and warn us of spoilers before they talk about them. I also don't watch the show week by week so that I can binge watch it before the finale. Feels good.

valoren

Back in 2004, in the week that Million Dollar Baby was getting it's Irish release, the Irish Times ran an article about the movie which raised the issue of euthanasia .

Hardly takes a genius to think that might be a plot point FFS.