Kia Soul Over 100 Miles @100 Kph

This is just one of more and more reports off 100 miles + appearing.

I can't see this video at work but it's a link I got off the kia soul EV facebook Page.

Let me know if the link works because I can't test it here in work because YouTube is blocked.

Sabre Man

It doesn't work.

axe2grind

Probably this one

Yep thanks that's it.

noelf

From the EPA web site ..

noelf

noelf wrote: »

From the EPA web site ..

What's interesting is that the EPA have rated the Soul as having the least miles on the highway, so I don't know what to make of that only there's no way in hell the Leaf, I3 will make 100 miles at 100 Kph especially in winter.

More interesting is the Soul EV was given the highest over all miles per charge.

Perhaps the Golf just might make 100 miles but I have not seen reports of it actually achieving this, certainly not in winter.

More interesting is the fact that the Soul will be the one most capable in winter with the battery heater, it's optional in the I3 and not available on any other available ev.

noelf

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What's interesting is that the EPA have rated the Soul as having the least miles on the highway, so I don't know what to make of that only there's no way in hell the Leaf, I3 will make 100 miles at 100 Kph especially in winter.

More interesting is the Soul EV was given the highest over all miles per charge.

Perhaps the Golf just might make 100 miles but I have not seen reports of it actually achieving this, certainly not in winter. f

More interesting is the fact that the Soul will be the one most capable in winter with the battery heater, it's optional in the I3 and not available on any other available ev.

The battery heater was removed from the Golf because vw deemed it unnecessary for production

unkel

4 miles per kwh is of course very impressive

That said, you can see from the clip (and anyone who has driven in the USA knows this) that the car was driving at a constant 100km/h, unhindered. This is near optimal for fuel consumption, but you won't get this anywhere in Ireland (or the rest of Europe)

I'd say my large 11 year old 6 cylinder automatic petrol BMW would do over 50mpg doing a constant 100km/h. In real life I get half that.

And it was California - so nice warm and dry. I doubt any of these cars would make a 25 mile commute (each way) into Dublin city centre without regularly running out of battery...

ei9go

Note what the screen is showing:

4 miles per kilowatt so that's 6.40 km per kilowatt which is 15.63 kw per 100 km which is the same consumption that was on the Leaf I had a drive in.

So how is the Soul doing this on the motorway? They drove 160 km on the motorway at reasonable speed and using cruise control.

Seems excellent.

noelf

noelf wrote: »

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The battery heater was removed from the Golf because vw deemed it unnecessary for production

I think that was cooling and not heating.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

4 miles per kwh is of course very impressive

That said, you can see from the clip (and anyone who has driven in the USA knows this) that the car was driving at a constant 100km/h, unhindered. This is near optimal for fuel consumption, but you won't get this anywhere in Ireland (or the rest of Europe)

I'd say my large 11 year old 6 cylinder automatic petrol BMW would do over 50mpg doing a constant 100km/h. In real life I get half that.

And it was California - so nice warm and dry. I doubt any of these cars would make a 25 mile commute (each way) into Dublin city centre without regularly running out of battery...

I doubt even leaf owners would get that low range even in dub city.

unkel

Any EV owners willing to take the challenge?

You must work in Dublin (lets say within the canals), live at least 20 miles away, drive into work for a 9 to 5 kinda job Mo-Fr and prove not once over the next 3 months you'd run out of charge on your commute (only allowed to charge at home)

axe2grind

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I doubt even leaf owners would get that low range even in dub city.

I'd say its possible. Cold day, strong wind against both ways (180 shift during the day) 2011 leaf so range capacity not optimum.

But city driving is not as big a range killer for a seasoned EV driver as motorway speed.
A seasoned EV driver while trying to protect range will get the best out of regenerative braking.

axe2grind

axe2grind wrote: »

I'd say its possible. Cold day, strong wind against both ways (180 shift during the day) 2011 leaf so range capacity not optimum.

But city driving is not as big a range killer for a seasoned EV driver as motorway speed.
A seasoned EV driver while trying to protect range will get the best out of regenerative braking.

Electrics get pretty high city driving from the EPA tests,

Sure cold will have an effect but for most city drivers, they couldn't care less because they most likely won't be doing big mileage either way.

If the batteries are heated like in the Soul EV and optional on the I3 then this makes a big difference.

noelf

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What's interesting is that the EPA have rated the Soul as having the least miles on the highway, so I don't know what to make of that


The drag coefficient of the E-Golf is only 0.28 the Kia is a higher boxy shape so drag should be higher therefore less highway mileage

noelf

noelf wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

What's interesting is that the EPA have rated the Soul as having the least miles on the highway, so I don't know what to make of that


The drag coefficient of the E-Golf is only 0.28 the Kia is a higher boxy shape so drag should be higher therefore less highway mileage

According to the video though the Soul clearly has a lot more range than the Leaf at 100 Kph, so the Soul is probably more efficient at that speed.

It's a good indication of what to expect on a long run.

Dexter1979

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noelf wrote: »

According to the video though the Soul clearly has a lot more range than the Leaf at 100 Kph, so the Soul is probably more efficient at that speed

I would take it with a pinch of salt. In ideal conditions the Leaf can do 100km at 100kph as well. As can Zoe.

They should really do the same drive in the same conditions with other cars to properly compare. I did 75km at 90kph in the pouring rain with a severe headwind this weekend. Very confident I would have been able to do 100 km and more at 100kph from 100% charge if the weather wasn't so bad.

Dexter1979

Dexter1979 wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I would take it with a pinch of salt. In ideal conditions the Leaf can do 100km at 100kph as well. As can Zoe.

They should really do the same drive in the same conditions with other cars to properly compare. I did 75km at 90kph in the pouring rain with a severe headwind this weekend. Very confident I would have been able to do 100 km and more at 100kph from 100% charge if the weather wasn't so bad.

No this is 162 Kms or 100 miles range, actually at the end it was 104 miles but 100 miles at 62 mph, this is pretty damn good.

There is no reports of the Leaf or Zoe doing 100 miles at these speeds.

Certainly won't happen in winter, but the should will have a lot more range because the battery is heated, it will loose some to the heater of course but still more than the Leaf/Zoe.

Oafley Jones

Just googled it there as I wasn't sure what they looked like. Anyways.... hideous isn't it.

Dexter1979

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No this is 162 Kms or 100 miles range, actually at the end it was 104 miles but 100 miles at 62 mph, this is pretty damn good.

Yeah just realised this.

I would still like to see the same route being done with a different car. There are no hills in that area and driving on the motorway in ideal summer conditions should be very good.

Still think it's not a very pretty car. Battery thermal management should be very good for maintaining range no matter what the weather.

No it's not a great looking car, then again neither is a golf.

Inside isn't bad and that's what concerns me the most, that's where I spend most time. I don't sit outside looking at it all day.

Regarding range, I've yet to hear the leaf doing over 100 miles in any conditions at 62 mph or the zoe.

Kia Ireland have said they don't know when the soul Ev is coming to Ireland.

noelf

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No it's not a great looking car, then again neither is a golf.

Inside isn't bad and that's what concerns me the most, that's where I spend most time. I don't sit outside looking at it all day.

Regarding range, I've yet to hear the leaf doing over 100 miles in any conditions at 62 mph or the zoe.

Kia Ireland have said they don't know when the soul Ev is coming to Ireland.

I think Kia is sitting on the fence here and waiting to see how the E-Golf does in the first quarter of 2015 as for looks the Golf has a look that doesn't date as quickly as its rivals and Irish people just love their Golfs 4445 sold here this year .. number one spot

noelf

noelf wrote: »

I think Kia is sitting on the fence here and waiting to see how the E-Golf does in the first quarter of 2015 as for looks the Golf has a look that doesn't date as quickly as its rivals and Irish people just love their Golfs 4445 sold here this year .. number one spot

I would say the Soul EV is the better EV.

I do like the variable regen in the Golf and the ability to coast with 0 regen.

The Golf offers 0 advantages over the Soul EV and it also has ccs fast charging which there are a lot less available at this time. The Soul will have ChaDeMo

The Soul offers more range and a decent amount by the looks of it. A lot more winter range because the battery is heated and it has the heat pump as standard and will still be a good bit cheaper than the golf.

kdouglas

unkel wrote: »

4 miles per kwh is of course very impressive

That said, you can see from the clip (and anyone who has driven in the USA knows this) that the car was driving at a constant 100km/h, unhindered. This is near optimal for fuel consumption, but you won't get this anywhere in Ireland (or the rest of Europe)

I'd say my large 11 year old 6 cylinder automatic petrol BMW would do over 50mpg doing a constant 100km/h. In real life I get half that.

And it was California - so nice warm and dry. I doubt any of these cars would make a 25 mile commute (each way) into Dublin city centre without regularly running out of battery...

unkel wrote: »

Any EV owners willing to take the challenge?

You must work in Dublin (lets say within the canals), live at least 20 miles away, drive into work for a 9 to 5 kinda job Mo-Fr and prove not once over the next 3 months you'd run out of charge on your commute (only allowed to charge at home)

Er.... Really not sure what you're getting at, there is no challenge in that?

I've been driving a Leaf for a year now, I do 76km a day, every day, Mon to Fri and not once have I even come close to running out of charge on my commute, during the summer, I have 40+% battery left when I get home, in the winter, about 25-30% remaining.

This is really hilarious.

314 Euro's for a multi function steering wheel in the Golf EV, not standard in a 34 K car ?

Volkswagen are insane and people are insane if they pay for the E-Golf.

I really believe VW don't want to sell electrics !!!

Villain

I did 210km on Wednesday in a 142 SVE Leaf with one charge in the middle and used 33kw and had 20% left before middle charge and at end.

googled eyes

I like the Soul Ev. It may not be a very "attractive" car but i like it.

It'll be a real pity if Kia don't give it a proper launch in Ireland and the UK

ei9go

Dexter1979 wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I would take it with a pinch of salt. In ideal conditions the Leaf can do 100km at 100kph as well. As can Zoe.

They should really do the same drive in the same conditions with other cars to properly compare. I did 75km at 90kph in the pouring rain with a severe headwind this weekend. Very confident I would have been able to do 100 km and more at 100kph from 100% charge if the weather wasn't so bad.

They have a similar video of the Spark EV, it stopped after 82 miles.

The battery in the Soul is 27 kw so that would help the range.

In contrast the RAV4 EV shown in the videos has a 41.8 kw battery and they mention having done 115 miles in the RAV4 in passing.

Kia Ireland may also decide not to import it.

Dealers might not want to re train their mechanics and they might not want to deal with the unknown.

Would be a real shame if this car didn't make it to Ireland. After all I think it's a far better EV than the e-golf.

The soul is the best ice to EV conversion yet.

Villain

Villain wrote: »

I did 210km on Wednesday in a 142 SVE Leaf with one charge in the middle and used 33kw and had 20% left before middle charge and at end.

What can you get at 100kph on one charge though in summer?

One should always buy an EV based on the lowest winter mileage. Unless of course they can tolerate extra time on the fast charger.

ei9go

ei9go wrote: »

In contrast the RAV4 EV shown in the videos has a 41.8 kw battery and they mention having done 115 miles in the RAV4 in passing.

The rav 4 is a lot heavier. In a leaf that could probably get 140 miles range.

Villain

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What can you get at 100kph on one charge though in summer?

One should always buy an EV based on the lowest winter mileage. Unless of course they can tolerate extra time on the fast charger.

Not sure as I only have it two weeks

If you are thinking of buying an EV and the range and is a major concern then an EV isn't for you.

Driving to and from Dublin from Carlow for less than €2 is pretty awesome though.

Villain

Villain wrote: »

Not sure as I only have it two weeks

If you are thinking of buying an EV and the range and is a major concern then an EV isn't for you.

Driving to and from Dublin from Carlow for less than €2 is pretty awesome though.

Can you Carlow to Dub and back on one charge, and at what speed ?

I'd have an almost identical commute.

Villain

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Can you Carlow to Dub and back on one charge, and at what speed ?

I'd have an almost identical commute.

No you would need to charge in Dublin to get back down but loads of chargers in Dublin and using FCP 20 mins would probably be enough

Villain

Villain wrote: »

No you would need to charge in Dublin to get back down but loads of chargers in Dublin and using FCP 20 mins would probably be enough

Ah yeah, I would probably get away with less time on the qc because I would get off the motorway at Kilcullen and down the old M9, I don't go into Carlow Town. I don't go as far by about 10 Kms.

If I get this new job I'd have to charge unless they let me charge in work. Unlikely.

What speeds do you do ?

Do you drive the White Leaf I see at the Carlow QC ?

Villain

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Ah yeah, I would probably get away with less time on the qc because I would get off the motorway at Kilcullen and down the old M9, I don't go into Carlow Town. I don't go as far by about 10 Kms.

If I get this new job I'd have to charge unless they let me charge in work. Unlikely.

What speeds do you do ?

Do you drive the White Leaf I see at the Carlow QC ?

I drive from Tullow to Carlow so 80kmh, uses less than 40% of battery for the commute and nope mine is a grey one, 142cw reg

Villain

Villain wrote: »

I drive from Tullow to Carlow so 80kmh, uses less than 40% of battery for the commute and nope mine is a grey one, 142cw reg

Yeah I'd want to go 110 Kph min on the Motorway.

Ah I thought you commute to Dublin.

Where I'm working now is Ideal for the Leaf also but I probably won't be here after Xmas. I'm hoping to get a permanent position and will most likely be Dublin.

It's where I worked before and when I asked them about charging they said absolutely no way, but I'd be hoping I could change their minds.

Problem with the Naas QC is that I feel it could be a busy spot and I don't want to queue.

Villain

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Yeah I'd want to go 110 Kph min on the Motorway.

Ah I thought you commute to Dublin.

Where I'm working now is Ideal for the Leaf also but I probably won't be here after Xmas. I'm hoping to get a permanent position and will most likely be Dublin.

It's where I worked before and when I asked them about charging they said absolutely no way, but I'd be hoping I could change their minds.

Problem with the Naas QC is that I feel it could be a busy spot and I don't want to queue.

Yep I wouldn't really consider an EV for a commute from Carlow to Dublin unless employer installed a charging point or the fast charge was within 2 mins away

noelf

The Kia Soul Ev goes on sale in the UK before Christmas target of 170 cars per year only one trim level and only 2 colours The only option is if you want to own the batteries ...... WHATCAR ... they only gave it 3 star ..

Dexter1979

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Problem with the Naas QC is that I feel it could be a busy spot and I don't want to queue.

It is a busy spot. And as more and more people get Leafs and other chademo based cars it will continue to be busy. One of the reasons I have a Zoe. Different plug. The other problem is that apparently people leave their cars plugged in beyond the time it takes to charge. They then end up blocking the charger. In this scenario I could still end up being blocked if someone is waiting at the other spot!

Being blocked by an ICE car is one thing, being blocked by an EV is just rude!

Thankfully I don't make use of the fast chargers a lot on my routine journeys. Drove to Cork yesterday from Mallow and back. Had 95km on the GOM and a journey of 90km ahead of me. Made it home with 11% to spare. Did drive 75 - 80km on a N road to do it.

About to go and charge at one of the local 22kW points. Going to drive the battery down a little first and see if I can reach the advertised 80% charge in an hour

noelf

noelf wrote: »

The Kia Soul Ev goes on sale in the UK before Christmas target of 170 cars per year only one trim level and only 2 colours The only option is if you want to own the batteries ...... WHATCAR ... they only gave it 3 star ..

I can't find a whatcar review but autoexpress gave it 4 stars.

I don't really pay too much attention to so called auto journalist reviews, they don't have to live with cars.

axe2grind

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I can't find a whatcar review but autoexpress gave it 4 stars.

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/kia/soul/2015-kia-soul-ev-first-drive/1319889

axe2grind

axe2grind wrote: »

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/kia/soul/2015-kia-soul-ev-first-drive/1319889

Thanks, They had that review well hidden !

They gave it a good enough review probably lost a star because of the cost.

If I were driving 20K miles a year and got 44 mpg it would cost me 3 K per year.

In leccy it would cost about 540 € to do 20K miles on night rate leccy. Based on about 30 Kwh per 100 miles.

So the total difference would work out about 1500 more expensive, this is excluding the savings on Motor Tax and maintenance. So the difference is not as big as the EV haters make it out to be.

In fact it's about the difference between buying petrol V diesel.

If doing small mileage then it makes no sense, this is why Zoe won;t sell because Clio drivers mainly buy petrols and don;t spend the extra on diesel so they're hardly likely to buy the much more expensive zoe if the average clio 1.2 costs 17K Euro's or a little less.

noelf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can't find a whatcar review but autoexpress gave it 4 stars.

I don't really pay too much attention to so called auto journalist reviews, they don't have to live with cars.

Autocar test of Soul Ev is on-line now ... you will read it Mad-lad ???? :)

noelf

noelf wrote: »

Autocar test of Soul Ev is on-line now ... you will read it Mad-lad ???? :)

And you'd actually expect me to find the link to the review ? you couldn't post it and make it handy like, ye know ?:D

Quote from site

Should I buy one?
If you are going to buy an electric car, it would be hard to find a compelling argument for the Soul over rival models. It does everything pretty well, aside from suffering a somewhat disturbed ride on poor roads, but is short of EV class leadership.

Kia has modest sales targets for the Soul EV, with next year's sales tipped to be 100-200 units, the cars only being sold through a select 13 dealers who applied. Despite the £24,995 price (including government grant, battery pack, wall charger, Chargemaster account, and generous standard spec), Renault’s Zoe and the Nissan Leaf also benefit from buying packages which make EV ownership even more affordable.

As it stands, the Soul EV, as competent as it is, is neither the best to drive, nor the best value.

Kia Soul EV

Price £24,995 (after government grant); 0-60mph 10.8sec; Top speed 90mph; Range 132 miles; CO2 0g/km (local); Kerb weight 1588kg; Engine AC synchronous electric motor; Power 109bhp between 2730-8000rpm; Torque 210lb ft between 0-2730rpm; Gearbox Single-speed automatic

End Quote.

They didn't say that you have to spend 1000 Euro's on the efficient heat pump in the Golf, and they didn't say you have to spend 350 Euro's on a mfsw.

They didn't say the soul has been independently tested to have 100 miles range at 62 mph

They didn't say the soul includes a battery heater and the option isn't even available for the golf.

They didn't say the golf is more expensive either.

They didn't say the Soul has ChaDeMo V CCS, there are many more ChaDeMo than CCS fast chargers. Carlow has no CCS charging for instance.

So a U.K auto journalist favours the German ev over the Korean ? surprise surprise

people know me by now and if I were a betting man I'd be putting my money on the Soul E.V, now those that know me know I wouldn't be doing that if I thought the E-Golf were the better e.v now would I ?

axe2grind

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Quote from site

They didn't say the golf is more expensive either.

Oh be fair they did say this

but the clinching argument is that the entry-level VW e-Golf is only just over £1000 more than the Soul EV

The clinching argument, because one wants to spend more?

Anyway, we don't know Irish pricing yet of the soul.

Either way, for me I think I'm going to need more range before I can seriously think of EV. I need close to 160km winter range to tip the balance, and I'd want that range on an older car so need more to begin with.

axe2grind

axe2grind wrote: »

Oh be fair they did say this


The clinching argument, because one wants to spend more?

Anyway, we don't know Irish pricing yet of the soul.

Either way, for me I think I'm going to need more range before I can seriously think of EV. I need close to 160km winter range to tip the balance, and I'd want that range on an older car so need more to begin with.

You'll be waiting. But the soul EV with its heated battery has much more potential than the Leaf and gold EV.

And how many people will spend 1000 on the heat pump?

Will dealers even mention it or that it will improve winter range?

axe2grind

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You'll be waiting.

Yes I'm not typical market for EV. Single car, no commute, plenty random trips. Family of 5...+dog
Have been looking at our trips and daily usage for past few months to see what we could practically do in EV.
Leaf not an option without AC charging due to much of our driving away from main arteries.

If confidence in the charging infrastructure increases, which has reliability issues at moment then I can consider reducing the range I feel I need. Probably need about 35kw battery

axe2grind

axe2grind wrote: »

Yes I'm not typical market for EV. Single car, no commute, plenty random trips. Family of 5...+dog
Have been looking at our trips and daily usage for past few months to see what we could practically do in EV.
Leaf not an option without ChaDeMo due to much of our driving away from main arteries.

If confidence in the charging infrastructure increases, which has reliability issues at moment then I can consider reducing the range I feel I need. Probably need about 35kw battery

You mean the Golf isn't an option without ChaDeMo?

Certainly even current gen electrics are able to cover decent distances, if I am allowed charge up in the new job then even a leaf would be perfect for 85 miles a day commute and more.

Other than that I'd need about 10 mins on the fast charger to get me home maybe 15 mins tops.

If you have work charging them you got about 40 KWh to play with at optimum battery temp of about 20 deg C.

If I've a heated battery them the soul could possibly do it all on one charge and then some depending on heater consumption and if the battery gets cold again does this matter or only for the first charge that day? That's something I don't think is known yet.