Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

MD1990

Coutinho for 8m has been a definite success.

Agent Coulson

Mr Alan wrote: »

While the defensive stuff is obviously huge, imo it'll be his transfers that spell the end for him.

He has spent nearly a quarter of a billion pound. Only 12m of it is a definite success, the rest is either very arguable (Coutinho) or been outright wasted (nearly everyone else). It's just incredible how poor we've been in the transfer market.

If he is to lose his job it will come down to both more than likely.

The think is I don't think these players are as bad as they look and that for me is down to the coaching.

Take Lovren who has been a disaster no one can say otherwiswe but you take a player who had a strong last season with two DM's playing in front of him protecting him he looked like and was one of the best defenders in the league.

Then you buy him for crazy money and put in a team that doesn't even have one DM and gives him no protection and tell him to play the same way and you want the same results.

That is just crazy coaching.

Mr Alan

MD1990 wrote: »

Coutinho for 8m has been a definite success.

Meh. Sometimes he looks top class I agree, but he is incredibly poor more often tbh.

Mr Alan

Agent Coulson wrote: »

If he is to lose his job it will come down to both more than likely.

The think is I don't think these players are as bad as they look and that for me is down to the coaching.

Take Lovren who has been a disaster no one can say otherwiswe but you take a player who had a strong last season with two DM's playing in front of him protecting him he looked like and was one of the best defenders in the league.

Then you buy him for crazy money and put in a team that doesn't even have one DM and gives him no protection and tell him to play the same way and you want the same results.

That is just crazy coaching.

To be honest, I agree re: the players. There's no way they can be as bad as they look under Rodgers, particularly defensive players.

Is it not then incredibly worrying then that he seems to have a real knack for making players perform much worse than they're capable of?

mosstin

MD1990 wrote: »

Coutinho for 8m has been a definite success.

No, definitely not. There was that six month period when we signed him that he looked really good. He has frustrated more than he has succeeded since then though. Possibly our most frustrating player in that the talent is there for all to see but so very often he just doesn't leave his mark on a game.

Francie Barrett

For a club with limited funds, spending £25M for defenders is just braindead. We should be having a look at free's or older players who are available on the cheap if we're looking to pad out the defence. That way we can devote the bulk of the funds to buying the likes of Sanchez, Di Maria, Falcao, etc. As it showed last season, creative/goal scoring players are the ones that can secure a top 4 status.

Agent Coulson

Mr Alan wrote: »

To be honest, I agree re: the players. There's no way they can be as bad as they look under Rodgers, particularly defensive players.

Is it not then incredibly worrying then that he seems to have a real knack for making players perform much worse than they're capable of?

That is why I think it will be the coaching that catches him out.

People will point out Suarez and Sterling improved under Rodgers and they did but these are two world class players who would grow anyway.

Very few if any other players have improved under his coaching.

I look at the players and think alot of them would be perfect under a manager like Klopp coaching them.

Turtyturd

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That is why I think it will be the coaching that catches him out.

People will point out Suarez and Sterling improved under Rodgers and they did but these are two world class players who would grow anyway.

Very few if any other players have improved under his coaching.

I look at the players and think alot of them would be perfect under a manager like Klopp coaching them.

Obviously forgetting the man management masterstroke he pulled with Henderson.

Mr Alan

Turtyturd wrote: »

Obviously forgetting the man management masterstroke he pulled with Henderson.

I presume this is a joke?

ebbsy

mosstin wrote: »

No, definitely not. There was that six month period when we signed him that he looked really good. He has frustrated more than he has succeeded since then though. Possibly our most frustrating player in that the talent is there for all to see but so very often he just doesn't leave his mark on a game.

He is not being managed properly my friend.

rob316

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That is why I think it will be the coaching that catches him out.

People will point out Suarez and Sterling improved under Rodgers and they did but these are two world class players who would grow anyway.

Very few if any other players have improved under his coaching.

I look at the players and think alot of them would be perfect under a manager like Klopp coaching them.

Got the best out of Suarez and Sturridge, sterling looks a gem, Henderson improved, flanagan improved.
I think you are cutting him really short.

His defensive coaching is questionable at best but his offensive coaching is very good. He just seems to be a bit lost at the moment due to not having a competent striker fit.

Rodgers likes to build his team from the front not the back would be a fair statement.

rob316

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

He's a crock I know but can you tell me again what Big Andy did that made him not feasible to Rodgers? Within the context of signing an ageing Lambert and Balotelli.

Didn't fit the playing style and rodgers was right to sell him. If you are looking to beat rodgers with that stick it's ridiculous. No one blinked about Carroll for the last 18 months.

Talisman

Turtyturd wrote: »

Obviously forgetting the man management masterstroke he pulled with Henderson.

Can you explain the thinking on that? From what I've seen the likes of Henry Winter have sold the story of how Rodgers transformed Henderson with a bunch of pull quotes.

The player we saw last season was the same box to box midfielder that played at Sunderland. When he arrived at Liverpool he was played on the right wing to accommodate Charlie Adam. Henderson was not and never will be a wide player, he was played out of position and suffered for it. Rodgers tried to offload him to Fulham in part exchange for Clint Dempsey. The proposed deal was idiotic - Henderson plus £5M in exchange for Dempsey. To his credit Henderson rejected the move and got to play in his natural position.

This season Henderson has played out wide on occasion and looked to be the same shell of a player as that which played in Dalglish's team.

Agent Coulson

rob316 wrote: »

Got the best out of Suarez and Sturridge, sterling looks a gem, Henderson improved, flanagan improved.
I think you are cutting him really short.

His defensive coaching is questionable at best but his offensive coaching is very good.He just seems to be a bit lost at the moment due to not having a competent striker fit.

Rodgers likes to build his team from the front not the back would be a fair statement.

He had one of the best attacking footballers in world football in Suarez to be fair that's not hard to coach football wise blending him with Sturridge and getting them to play together was good man mangement/coaching.

Sterling is one of the most promising young footballers around maybe he learned more from playing with and watching Suarez.

Any coach would dream of having three attacking players like that to coach with two of them now gone the rest of the team squad looks poorly coached for the standard of player that is at the club.

Henderson improved and Flannagan but not as much as people believe.

Mr Alan

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Henderson improved

Rodgers tried to sell him to Fulham for a couple of million. We have Henderson's refusal to leave to thank for him still being our player.

Agent Coulson

Mr Alan wrote: »

Rodgers tried to sell him to Fulham for a couple of million. We have Henderson's refusal to leave to thank for him still being our player.

This season again he has looked poor playing either on the right wing or left wing.

Last season when he was at his best for Liverpool he played as CM box to box midfielder.

He now looks a shadow of that player again bad team managment and coaching from the manager not getting his best players in their best postitions.

Hederson this season is regressing as a player because he is being played out of position.

googled eyes

ebbsy wrote: »

Madrid take players and make them better players, such as Bale and Rodrigeuz. Sterling will be no different.

And they have a manager who has some idea about buying players and using them correctly as well.

Raheem Sterling at LFC


Raheem Sterling at Madrid

chicorytip

Those who would like to see Jurgen Klopp in the Anfield hot seat should be mindful of the fact that his expensively assembled charges currently lie second from bottom of the Bundesliga. It would hardly be a progressive step to replace one mediocre manager with another.

Agent Coulson

chicorytip wrote: »

Those who would like to see Jurgen Klopp in the Anfield hot seat should be mindful of the fact that his expensively assembled charges currently lie second from bottom of the Bundesliga. It would hardly be a progressive step to replace one mediocre manager with another.

Klopp is far from mediocre he is a proven winner.

He has had deal with all his top players being poached from him by his biggest rivial while still being there main competition for the last number of seasons.

Harry Palmr

chicorytip wrote: »

Those who would like to see Jurgen Klopp in the Anfield hot seat should be mindful of the fact that his expensively assembled charges currently lie second from bottom of the Bundesliga. It would hardly be a progressive step to replace one mediocre manager with another.

:rolleyes: (I almost ever use the rolleyes but you really reserved that)

Klopp has won two BL and a CL title he is allowed one **** up of a season. Yes he has bought badly in Immobile (a player many would have sought) and Ramos, sometimes it happens. I think BvBs biggest issue is psychological - they are not used to scrapping and fighting for a measly point never mind to escape relegation.

That said I hope Nuri Sahin is enjoying being back there

Talisman

Harry Palmr wrote: »

:rolleyes: (I almost ever use the rolleyes but you really reserved that)

Klopp has won two BL and a CL title he is allowed one **** up of a season. Yes he has bought badly in Immobile (a player many would have sought) and Ramos, sometimes it happens. I think BvBs biggest issue is psychological - they are not used to scrapping and fighting for a measly point never mind to escape relegation.

That said I hope Nuri Sahin is enjoying being back there

A Champions League Final.

Harry Palmr

Cheers for some reason I have it in my head they won it - possibly as a way of not acknowledging that Chelsea won it.

Chucky the tree

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Cheers for some reason I have it in my head they won it - possibly as a way of not acknowledging that Chelsea won it.

That was Bayern. Dortmund then lost to Bayern the next season in the final.

Kerrigooney

Harry,you're all over the shop this evening

Turtyturd

Mr Alan wrote: »

I presume this is a joke?

Yeah it was...Henderson hasn't improved that much.

Pilsbury Doughboy

'joke'

djPSB

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Klopp is far from mediocre he is a proven winner.

He has had deal with all his top players being poached from him by his biggest rivial while still being there main competition for the last number of seasons.

Dortmund had a similar net spend to Liverpool this summer, yet Klopp somehow seems to get a free pass while Rodgers gets slated.


Seems odd.

djPSB

Harry Palmr wrote: »

:rolleyes: (I almost ever use the rolleyes but you really reserved that)

Klopp has won two BL and a CL title he is allowed one **** up of a season. Yes he has bought badly in Immobile (a player many would have sought) and Ramos, sometimes it happens. I think BvBs biggest issue is psychological - they are not used to scrapping and fighting for a measly point never mind to escape relegation.

That said I hope Nuri Sahin is enjoying being back there

Rodgers guided Liverpool to one of their best League finishes in years.


Should be allowed a few **** ups too one would think. Of which there have been many.

Agent Coulson

djPSB wrote: »

Dortmund had a similar net spend to Liverpool this summer, yet Klopp somehow seems to get a free pass while Rodgers gets slated.


Seems odd.

Seems odd I can't seem to find the list of titles Rodgers has won and other than having the best player in the league last season at the peak of his talents getting him tp 2nd in the league.

I can't see Rodgers being anything other than a midtable manager.

If fans are happy with a midtable manager buying midtable players and then so be it.

I would like a bit more than finishing midtable.

Mr Alan

djPSB wrote: »

Rodgers guided Liverpool to one of their best League finishes in years.


Should be allowed a few **** ups too one would think. Of which there have been many.

Rodgers has been allowed plenty of **** ups & mistakes. He's on his last life now tbh.