Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Gbear

If you don't want Rodgers, fine. I can't call that an unreasonable conclusion given how terrible we've been. I don't agree with it but we're at the stage where Rodgers deserves huge criticism.

However, a lot of the comments seem to be pure spite - calling a manager who finished 2nd and won manager of the year a chancer, a spoofer, a fool and all that ****e. I think some posters are making a show of themselves.

Unless there's actually a plan for what comes after it's just cutting our nose off to spite our face.

There's some good managers out there, but most of the suggestions have been fanciful (Simeone), poorly thought out (Rafa - who's had a pretty mixed record since he's left us and has poor form with clubs that interfere with his transfers) or down right embarrassing (Pardew).

We could find ourselves in a similar position to when Benitez left if we replace Rodgers with Hodgson mk.2

Replacing a manager is not a trivial decision. It'll cost us time, money to pay him off and there's real risk that we won't be any better off, especially given that we'll still have the same transfer constraints and transfer failures are the biggest factor in our downturn.

If he goes I'll be disappointed in how things went when we seemed to be finally moving in the right direction but replacing him with someone like De Boer would at least give me confidence that the club's in the right hands.

If it's AVB or whatever, no amount of surreptitious Kate Cohen article links will make me feel in any way positive about it.

rob316

Gbear wrote: »

If you don't want Rodgers, fine. I can't call that an unreasonable conclusion given how terrible we've been. I don't agree with it but we're at the stage where Rodgers deserves huge criticism.

However, a lot of the comments seem to be pure spite - calling a manager who finished 2nd and won manager of the year a chancer, a spoofer, a fool and all that ****e. I think some posters are making a show of themselves.

Unless there's actually a plan for what comes after it's just cutting our nose off to spite our face.

There's some good managers out there, but most of the suggestions have been fanciful (Simeone), poorly thought out (Rafa - who's had a pretty mixed record since he's left us and has poor form with clubs that interfere with his transfers) or down right embarrassing (Pardew).

We could find ourselves in a similar position to when Benitez left if we replace Rodgers with Hodgson mk.2

Replacing a manager is not a trivial decision. It'll cost us time, money to pay him off and there's real risk that we won't be any better off, especially given that we'll still have the same transfer constraints and transfer failures are the biggest factor in our downturn.

If he goes I'll be disappointed in how things went when we seemed to be finally moving in the right direction but replacing him with someone like De Boer would at least give me confidence that the club's in the right hands.

If it's AVB or whatever, no amount of surreptitious Kate Cohen article links will make me feel in any way positive about it.

Spot on, its disgusting how some posters have turned on him after a few bad months.

Sappy404

Long way to travel on a Thursday. Not a great draw.

MD1990

LFC February fixtures: Everton (a), Tottenham (h), Besiktas (h), Southampton (a), Besiktas (a), Man City (h)

I still hope we put out a full strength team in the Europa.

Will I Amnt

citytillidie wrote: »

Thanks to Dudek it could have been worse the other 2 left were ACF Fiorentina (ITA) & FC Internazionale Milano (ITA)

FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) is playing Celtic FC (SCO) and ACF Fiorentina (ITA) is playing Tottenham Hotspur FC (ENG)

I'd prefer Inter to Besiktas to be honest.

pmy.murphy

MD1990 wrote: »

LFC February fixtures: Everton (a), Tottenham (h), Besiktas (h), Southampton (a), Besiktas (a), Man City (h)

I still hope we put out a full strength team in the Europa.

Why shouldnt we? Theres fcuk all to play for in the league

Sappy404

MD1990 wrote: »

LFC February fixtures: Everton (a), Tottenham (h), Besiktas (h), Southampton (a), Besiktas (a), Man City (h)

I still hope we put out a full strength team in the Europa.

For the shortest month of the year, it's going to be a loooong February.

Slattsy

The last time we played Besiktas we beat them 8 nil at Anfield !!!!

NIMAN

Slattsy wrote: »

The last time we played Besiktas we beat them 8 nil at Anfield !!!!

... and you stuffed Man Utd one year too.:rolleyes:

Pilsbury Doughboy

Gbear wrote: »

If you don't want Rodgers, fine. I can't call that an unreasonable conclusion given how terrible we've been. I don't agree with it but we're at the stage where Rodgers deserves huge criticism.

However, a lot of the comments seem to be pure spite - calling a manager who finished 2nd and won manager of the year a chancer, a spoofer, a fool and all that ****e. I think some posters are making a show of themselves.

Unless there's actually a plan for what comes after it's just cutting our nose off to spite our face.

There's some good managers out there, but most of the suggestions have been fanciful (Simeone), poorly thought out (Rafa - who's had a pretty mixed record since he's left us and has poor form with clubs that interfere with his transfers) or down right embarrassing (Pardew).

We could find ourselves in a similar position to when Benitez left if we replace Rodgers with Hodgson mk.2

Replacing a manager is not a trivial decision. It'll cost us time, money to pay him off and there's real risk that we won't be any better off, especially given that we'll still have the same transfer constraints and transfer failures are the biggest factor in our downturn.

If he goes I'll be disappointed in how things went when we seemed to be finally moving in the right direction but replacing him with someone like De Boer would at least give me confidence that the club's in the right hands.

If it's AVB or whatever, no amount of surreptitious Kate Cohen article links will make me feel in any way positive about it.

Well said, lots of people are going too far and being too bitter in their sniping at BR, presumably alot of them never wanted him in the first place, now they're licking their chops.

joe123

rob316 wrote: »

Spot on, its disgusting how some posters have turned on him after a few bad months.

Honestly it has been this way since he came to the club. Its sickening and it really makes me dislike the Liverpool fan base in general.

These same "fans" were applauding him last season. Now it was all down to Suarez.

Of course anyone who defends Rodgers is called out for not being able to see anything negative with the club.

Believe me there is plenty wrong and we are all aware of it, but just because we want to give the man a bit of time to turn things around and maybe, you know give him a chance when he has our second best player from last season and main striker back fit!?

Football Fans are a fickle bunch and think they know more than everyone else though so there is really no point in talking to the majority of them.

Rodgers biggest **** up this season has been the transfer window. Either he didnt fight his corner enough to bring in a top striker or he chose badly. Lack of a striker could cost him his job. Sturridge in Sterlings position yesterday could have resulted in an entirely different result and that is no fault of Sterling.

spockety

#I'mWithRodgers

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

Spot on, its disgusting how some posters have turned on him after a few bad months.

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Well said, lots of people are going too far and being too bitter in their sniping at BR, presumably alot of them never wanted him in the first place, now they're licking their chops.

It's the talk of the "new regime" etc that gets me, some experts on here are actually 100% sure Rodgers is getting the boots.

Gits_bone

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/desmond-kane/post-suarez-liverpool-are-a-decomposing-corpse--but-their-season-could-yet-get-worse-212149340.html

Good article.

You can't put last season down to Rodgers genius.

We won our games in the first 20 minutes. Second halves still were not good.

Chelsea showed that if you keep Suarez/Sterling/Studge quiet in first half you have a great chance.

The gameplan of winning games in first half hour is nearly as bad as Trappatonis or Martin O'Neills.

MD1990

Before Rodgers arrived Suarez wasn't that prolific for Liverpool. He had the team set up perfectly to utilise Suarez & Sturridge. Suarez is struggling for goals at Barca atm too & there style doesn't suit him.

Gits_bone

Gits_bone wrote: »

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Chelsea showed that if you keep Suarez/Sterling/Studge quiet in first half you have a great chance..............

let's not get carried away, Chelsea was 2 games over a season. They'd smother most teams tbh.

LuckyLloyd

Oh dry your eyes. He's a big personality manager who loves to talk to the media and discuss his philosophies and outlook on the game in detail. Such a manager will be loved and hated. Managers live and die by results, and if he consistently loses football matches and consistently makes poor signings he'll lose his job. The club is a lot bigger than Brendan Rodgers.

Gbear wrote:

There's some good managers out there, but most of the suggestions have been fanciful (Simeone), poorly thought out (Rafa - who's had a pretty mixed record since he's left us and has poor form with clubs that interfere with his transfers) or down right embarrassing (Pardew).

Regarding the supposedly "mixed" record of Benitez:

2012 / 13: 3rd in Premier League; Europa League Winners
2013 / 14: 3rd in Seria A; Coppa Italia Winners

Pretty solid.

We have less points than Hodgson gained over the same stretch of games. Everyone agreed Hodgson needed to be moved on however and we just needed someone else in to steady the ship - that there was no point having a man in charge over a transfer window when the owners wouldn't back him in same.

At the end of the day, sometimes you have to pull the trigger. We're doing poorly in the league; we're out of the CL; performances have been awful and basic errors show no signs of improvement; the more he invests in the squad the worse it seems to be.

I don't know what the long term manager answer is, but once you stop thinking Rodgers is capable of improving the situation he must go.

Gits_bone

MD1990 wrote: »

Before Rodgers arrived Suarez wasn't that prolific for Liverpool. He had the team set up perfectly to utilise Suarez & Sturridge. Suarez is struggling for goals at Barca atm too & there style doesn't suit him.

It was always going to happen this season.

Neymar - Messi - Suarez can't all score.

If Suarez kept his scoring rate from last season Barca'd be scoring 6 goals every game.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

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but once you stop thinking Rodgers is capable of improving the situation he must go.

FSG not you

Utopia Parkway

NIMAN wrote: »

... and you stuffed Man Utd one year too.:rolleyes:

Think he was just pointing the last time the teams played each other. Not that it has a bearing on the game next year. No real need to be breaking out the rolling eyes to be honest.

LuckyLloyd

Augeo wrote: »

FSG not you

No, once I ascertain he can't take us forward then my opinion becomes that he can't stay. I can also review FSG's records in such matters and reach a guesstimate of the probability Rodgers survives from here absent of going on a winning run for about 6 - 10 games.

Morzadec

I certainly think talk of sacking Rodgers is premature.

There's still a lot to play for in this season. Without putting all our hopes in one basket, I would expect our results to improve considerably once Sturridge comes back.

Let's see where we are come February/March. We still have a chance to win a few trophies and while top 4 looks a long shot it's still early to say we're out of the race.

MD1990

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Oh dry your eyes. He's a big personality manager who loves to talk to the media and discuss his philosophies and outlook on the game in detail. Such a manager will be loved and hated. Managers live and die by results, and if he consistently loses football matches and consistently makes poor signings he'll lose his job. The club is a lot bigger than Brendan Rodgers.



Regarding the supposedly "mixed" record of Benitez:

2012 / 13: 3rd in Premier League; Europa League Winners
2013 / 14: 3rd in Seria A; Coppa Italia Winners

Pretty solid.

We have less points than Hodgson gained over the same stretch of games. Everyone agreed Hodgson needed to be moved on however and we just needed someone else in to steady the ship - that there was no point having a man in charge over a transfer window when the owners wouldn't back him in same.

At the end of the day, sometimes you have to pull the trigger. We're doing poorly in the league; we're out of the CL; performances have been awful and basic errors show no signs of improvement; the more he invests in the squad the worse it seems to be.

I don't know what the long term manager answer is, but once you stop thinking Rodgers is capable of improving the situation he must go.

Chelsea were the CL winners but he did do a good job. Napoli finished 2nd in 12/13 & then failed to get out of the group stage of the CL but was very unlucky in fairness.Was knocked out of the Europa at the last 16 too. Id say Benitez first year was above average with the money spent. This season Napoli look poor lost 2-0 last night to a very poor Milan side.

LuckyLloyd

MD1990 wrote: »

Chelsea were the CL winners but he did do a good job. Napoli finished 2nd in 12/13 & then failed to get out of the group stage of the CL but was very unlucky in fairness.Was knocked out of the Europa at the last 16 too. Id say Benitez first year was above average with the money spent. This season Napoli look poor lost 2-0 last night to a very poor Milan side.

They've struggled a little but they also had a very good win over Roma. Well in the mix for third.

MD1990

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They've struggled a little but they also had a very good win over Roma. Well in the mix for third.

He has spent alot of money at Napoli poorly though . If we were looking at a new manager I would want a manager with a better transfer record. Rudi Garcia would be my choice as he bought very well at Roma.

Hangballlouie

Indefensible

Agent Coulson

Gits_bone wrote: »

Pardew got Newcastle to europe not long after being promoted.

Now I believe he's purposely falling short of europe to please Ashley. Pardew is arrogant but has never said silly things like Rodgers has this season.

If B Rod left who would come looking for him...it would be a Villa or Newcastle type of team....not Everton or Spurs anyways.

So you want Pardew as manager with a strike force of Robbie Keane and Jordan Rhodes.

I think I can see what you are at and where you are coming from.

slingerz

Rodgers admitted there was dressing room problems after yday. For me when that happens it's the beginning of the end really very rarely the manager comes back from that.

Rumours of a gerrard/Lovren bust up after the palace game.

I think the owners have a conundrum at the moment. Rodgers would have to go before the transfer window to give him replacement time to add to the squad for what he wants. There's the cost of replacing Rodgers and bringing someone else in. Then there's the availability of a decent alternative

Klopp or De Boer seem like realistic alternatives. Rafa not so much perhaps. AVB would not be an option for me anyway. Would Klopp leave Dortmund mid season? Unlikely I would think

Hangballlouie

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So you want Pardew as manager with a strike force of Robbie Keane and Jordan Rhodes.

I think I can see what you are at and where you are coming from.

Great username though.

Agent Coulson

So everyone who thinks Rodgers needs more time can you answer why after 2.5 seasons as Liverpool manager/coach the defence as not improved and we leak goals for fun.

Why can't a manger/coach who is seen as one of the best young managers/coach in world football at least improve that or at least give them some system or organisation and not have them look like headless chickens after working with them for 2.5 seasons.