British people disguised as Polish living in Ireland

The Diabolical Monocle

Apparently more British people live in Ireland than Polish, yet everywhere I go in Dublin for as long back as I can remember its Polish accents and language that are noticeable.

Only very rarely have I heard an English or Scottish accent for example.
In my average day Im in contact with three people from eastern Europe, and in the last few years have lived and worked with Poles but can only remember the occasional British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland#mediaviewer/File:NonnationalsIreland2006.png

Above link shows double the number of British living in Ireland than Polish - ... wtf.

Brief research on other sites suggest a similar ratio.
One site even said 329 thousand - which was what set me off on my quest of nerd rage and disbelief.

http://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2013/12/05/the-free-movement-of-people/
Thats the same as the number suggested for all of France ffs.

If you live in ROI, can you honestly say you meet twice as many British as Polish in your average day. (I sure as fvck dont)

Granted you might not know from appearance and first meeting, so perhaps do you personally know twice as many British people as Polish people.

Either the stats are wrong or they're disguising themselves as Polish.

lazygal

And your point is....?

tomwaterford

you do know...there more to Ireland than Dublin???

I would imagine a lot would be older and retired and be after buying retirement homes around the country


also the million+ who live in the north who regard themselves as british:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Pat Mustard

I just met a platoon of Polish paratroopers led by Michael Caine. Now I'm suspicious...

Ahhhhh its grand

I'd say the majority of those are from Northern Ireland, not England/Scotland/Wales.

Augmerson

There are only Brazilians living in Dublin everybody knows this, 14 to a room, 5 to a bed.

Cantremember

Wtf is a Polish disguise?

Duckworth_Luas

The Mustard wrote: »

I just met a platoon of Polish paratroopers led by Michael Caine. Now I'm suspicious...

If Donald Sutherland shows up with a cheeky grin, a glink in his eye and a pig under his arm then leg it!

There's more British people than polish people living in Ireland?

Mind blown OP.

lazygal

Cantremember wrote: »

Wtf is a Polish disguise?

Festooned with cans of Pledge.

riffmongous

As many Germans as Chinese? I call shenanigans on that one

Balmed Out

A lot of English in Cork and West Cork from my own experience. Anywhere coastal id definitely meet a lot more English then Polish but many have been here for 30 years and may have even had grand parents from here originally.

ABajaninCork

Balmed Out wrote: »

A lot of English in Cork and West Cork from my own experience. Anywhere coastal id definitely meet a lot more English then Polish but many have been here for 30 years and may have even had grand parents from here originally.

Yup! I'm one of them. Forebears from Limerick/Clare though...:D

onedmc

I think that stat is based on the Place of birth so those born in NI would be British and Irish families with kids born in the UK put together

looksee

I don't quite see what the OP's point is, but 'down the country' you find a lot more Brits than you used to, not particularly Northern Ireland either. I think Brits would be less noticeable unless they have very strong accents, many Irish and many UK people have quite neutral accents that you would not readily identify.

edit - agree with the above posts that the UK people are generally older and the Polish younger, you would tend to fine more young Polish people in service and frontline jobs, so they are more noticeable.

The Diabolical Monocle

bubblypop wrote: »

There's more British people than polish people living in Ireland?

Mind blown OP.

Well mine is. I've no real life experiences to suggest this is the case. Yet plenty of daily experience of the exact opposite.

How could it be so, perhaps I somehow instinctively tune out English, Scottish, Welsh accents for example.

Is it really the case that I meet more British people than Polish people daily - or do I live some kind of bizarre life that just by chance causes me to meet maybe .... oh 100's of Polish each year yet hardly ever someone noticeably British.

ABajaninCork

You've never spoken to me then. The minute I open my mouth, you know I'm a Londoner!

The Diabolical Monocle

lazygal wrote: »

And your point is....?

sausages.

Duckworth_Luas

onedmc wrote: »

I think that stat is based on the Place of birth so those born in NI would be British and Irish families with kids born in the UK put together

You enter your nationality as well as your place of birth on the census.

corner of hells

The Mustard wrote: »

I just met a platoon of Polish paratroopers led by Michael Caine. Now I'm suspicious...

Were they not German Light Infantry ?

super_furry

I hear that they're laying eggs in people's heads and eating babies.

Dozen Wicked Words

corner of hells wrote: »

Were they not German Light Infantry ?

Whatever they were it was very sad when the waterwheel got one of them. (They were disguised as British Paras though.)

British people living in Ireland.... Don't forget the millions of Irish who went to live in England during the 20th century, some of their children have gone the other way.

I would say that many of us "Brits" are genetically "boomerang Paddies!"

Victor

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Apparently more British people live in Ireland than Polish ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland#mediaviewer/File:NonnationalsIreland2006.png

You are using 8 year old data.

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

yet everywhere I go in Dublin for as long back as I can remember its Polish accents and language that are noticeable.

Polish people stand out more because they speak Polish and speak English with a stronger accent. Additionally, many of the 'Polish' people you see aren't Polish, but some other Central / Eastern European nationality.

Importantly, many of the British have dual nationality, e.g. my niece was born in Chester in England and several aunts and uncles moved to London and had families there. They aren't readily identifiable as British.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I'm not sure what the OP is trying to say but I admire his ability to distinguish, in passing, between a Polish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Slovakian etc accent.

Harry Palmr

ABajaninCork wrote: »

You've never spoken to me then. The minute I open my mouth, you know I'm a Londoner!

I see this everywhere I look in Ireland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_rVzBt20N0

The Diabolical Monocle

lazygal wrote: »

And your point is....?

tomwaterford wrote: »

you do know...there more to Ireland than Dublin???

I would imagine a lot would be older and retired and be after buying retirement homes around the country


also the million+ who live in the north who regard themselves as british:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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The Diabolical Monocle

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Well mine is. I've no real life experiences to suggest this is the case. Yet plenty of daily experience of the exact opposite.

How could it be so, perhaps I somehow instinctively tune out English, Scottish, Welsh accents for example.

Is it really the case that I meet more British people than Polish people daily - or do I live some kind of bizarre life that just by chance causes me to meet maybe .... oh 100's of Polish each year yet hardly ever someone noticeably British.

Lots of British people have Irish accents.

johnty56

I think his point is that the census is a load of bollocks..

What are the official figures for Polish nationals in Ireland?

Probably less than there actually are living in Dublin alone.


Again there are officially far less Eastern Europeans living here now than there were 5 years ago.. I would also suggest that this is bollox.

However, this is my opinion and based on my own observations, such as often not hearing English spoken in the hour or so it takes me to do my shopping in Tesco in Roselawn ( Blanchardstown)

The Irish government, and its 'arms' such as the CSO are hugely incompetent

Now tell me this.. is this racist, or have I committed a thought crime?

Larianne

Augmerson wrote: »

There are only Brazilians living in Dublin everybody knows this, 14 to a room, 5 to a bed.

Except for the ones living in Gort!

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

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What type of Polish dialect is this? Google translate doesn't work.

bubblypop wrote: »

Lots of British people have Irish accents.

Lots of Irish people have West British accents too!

The Diabolical Monocle

bubblypop wrote: »

Lots of British people have Irish accents.

Yet not all of them.
But if the stats are anything to go by I should be hearing a whole lot more regional British accents than I do - yet this isn't the case for me.

Is it the case for you.

Frank Lee Midere

johnty56 wrote: »

I think his point is that the census is a load of bollocks..

What are the official figures for Polish nationals in Ireland?

Probably less than there actually are living in Dublin alone.


Again there are officially far less Eastern Europeans living here now than there were 5 years ago.. I would also suggest that this is bollox.

However, this is my opinion and based on my own observations, such as often not hearing English spoken in the hour or so it takes me to do my shopping in Tesco in Roselawn ( Blanchardstown)

The Irish government, and its 'arms' such as the CSO are hugely incompetent

Now tell me this.. is this racist, or have I committed a thought crime?

No it's actually rare to hear Eastern European accents now I think. Lots of Southern European accents though.

Frank Lee Midere

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Yet not all of them.
But if the stats are anything to go by I should be hearing a whole lot more regional British accents than I do - yet this isn't the case for me.

Is it the case for you.

It's probably British born or British passport holders. Who could be boggers. Or Northerners.

Henlars67

I know loads of English and Scottish people where I'm from.

When the buildings were going good I knew quite a few polish, but they mostly seem to be gone now.

johnty56

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

No it's actually rare to hear Eastern European accents now I think. Lots of Southern European accents though.

I guess we all don't meet the same people everyday! Different areas have higher concentrations of different nationalities, but I meet far more Eastern europeans now than I would have when the figure was supposedly 4 times as high. Many would have semi-Irish accents too, having been here for years.

In general though, the census is meaningless BS.. I worked as an enumerator, and saw it first hand.. with both Irish and non-nationals. 1 person listed on forms where clearly many more were living at the address for example.

purplepanda

I've got at least a dozen cousins who were born in England & moved back before the end of their schooldays, they would obviously be classed as British born on the census but almost all have Irish accents apart from one who was 15 when she moved, she still has a slight Birmingham accent, even though she came back in the mid '80's :eek:

I've also got two Aunts in law living in Ireland that are "proper" English without no Irish blood married to Irishmen. And very proud of being English they are too! :P

Also know many couples born in England of Irish parents who have moved back to Ireland since the early '90's & had families. In most cases their parents have stayed back in England.

Add all those above to the English retiring along the coastal regions there's your total..............!

Billy86

Augmerson wrote: »

There are only Brazilians living in Dublin everybody knows this, 14 to a room, 5 to a bed.

And no matter how many times I ask, they never seem to have room for a 6th.

Billy86

johnty56 wrote: »

I think his point is that the census is a load of bollocks..

What are the official figures for Polish nationals in Ireland?

Probably less than there actually are living in Dublin alone.


Again there are officially far less Eastern Europeans living here now than there were 5 years ago.. I would also suggest that this is bollox.

However, this is my opinion and based on my own observations, such as often not hearing English spoken in the hour or so it takes me to do my shopping in Tesco in Roselawn ( Blanchardstown)

The Irish government, and its 'arms' such as the CSO are hugely incompetent

Now tell me this.. is this racist, or have I committed a thought crime?

I'm just confused about if you think Polish people decided to "go illegal" after being here officially a few years ago, or if you think they are entering the country "unofficially" despite being able to enter the country perfectly legally without the slightest issue due to being in the EU? Or are the census folks just jigging the numbers and not reporting people who live here for some other unexplained reason?

I'm not saying your opinion is racist or a "thought crime" or whatever... I'm just saying I can't make head nor tail of it!

dxhound2005

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Apparently more British people live in Ireland than Polish, yet everywhere I go in Dublin for as long back as I can remember its Polish accents and language that are noticeable.

Only very rarely have I heard an English or Scottish accent for example.
In my average day Im in contact with three people from eastern Europe, and in the last few years have lived and worked with Poles but can only remember the occasional British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland#mediaviewer/File:NonnationalsIreland2006.png

Above link shows double the number of British living in Ireland than Polish - ... wtf.

Brief research on other sites suggest a similar ratio.
One site even said 329 thousand - which was what set me off on my quest of nerd rage and disbelief.

http://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2013/12/05/the-free-movement-of-people/
Thats the same as the number suggested for all of France ffs.

If you live in ROI, can you honestly say you meet twice as many British as Polish in your average day. (I sure as fvck dont)

Granted you might not know from appearance and first meeting, so perhaps do you personally know twice as many British people as Polish people.

Either the stats are wrong or they're disguising themselves as Polish.

The stats are not wrong for their time but they are out of date.

There were more Poles than British in the 2011 census. Their very extraordinary 5700% increase in numbers in 10 years (from 2124 to 122,585) probably means they are more visible than the British who have more or less maintained their numbers over the same period.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/census2011profile6/Profile,6,Migration,and,Diversity,entire,doc.pdf

The Diabolical Monocle

purplepanda wrote: »

I've got at least a dozen cousins who were born in England & moved back before the end of their schooldays, they would obviously be classed as British born on the census but almost all have Irish accents apart from one who was 15 when she moved, she still has a slight Birmingham accent, even though she came back in the mid '80's :eek:

I've also got two Aunts in law living in Ireland that are "proper" English without no Irish blood married to Irishmen. And very proud of being English they are too! :P

Also know many couples born in England of Irish parents who have moved back to Ireland since the early '90's & had families. In most cases their parents have stayed back in England.

Add all those above to the English retiring along the coastal regions there's your total..............!

Thanks. Thats the kind of thing Im curious about. Its not really evident on the surface but statistically its part of the environment.

jimgoose

In my own experience there are quite a lot of English people (and Plastic Paddies! ) in Cork.

johnty56

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm just confused about if you think Polish people decided to "go illegal" after being here officially a few years ago, or if you think they are entering the country "unofficially" despite being able to enter the country perfectly legally without the slightest issue due to being in the EU? Or are the census folks just jigging the numbers and not reporting people who live here for some other unexplained reason?

I'm not saying your opinion is racist or a "thought crime" or whatever... I'm just saying I can't make head nor tail of it!

No idea really.. it would not make much sense for them to be unofficially here at all. I would imagine that the census is rubbish though, and that the closest actual estimate would be determined from PPS numbers.

jimgoose

johnty56 wrote: »

No idea really.. it would not make much sense for them to be unofficially here at all. I would imagine that the census is rubbish though, and that the closest actual estimate would be determined from PPS numbers.

By all accounts the number of issued PPS numbers has about as much to do with Guatemala as Ireland. Two Heiners and a Prawo Jazdy there, chief!

SparkySpitfire

Jaysis lads, he's not trying to be a racist!

It probably is cos the data is out of date, but I don't usually encounter many Eastern Europeans OR English people in either college, work or daily passing. Maybe I just don't take notice of my surroundings much!

RobYourBuilder

Your figures are from 2006. Here's the data from the 2011 census;

Polish nationals increased by 93.7 per cent since 2006 from 63,276 to 122,585 in 2011 marking them the largest group ahead of UK nationals with 112,259.

Nearly a quarter of all British citizens resident here are either retirees or in third level education. That's probably why you don't notice so many of them;

The largest group of non Irish students were UK nationals (8,277 persons) 

There were 19,619 retired non-Irish nationals representing 4.2 per cent of the total non-irish aged 15 and over. By far the largest group were UK nationals with 14,754 persons representing 75 per cent of all non-Irish retirees. The next largest group were German nationals with 826 retirees.

http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandevents/pressreleases/2012pressreleases/pressreleasecensus2011profile6migrationanddiversity/

madmaggie

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

It's probably British born or British passport holders. Who could be boggers. Or Northerners.

Brilliant!! Calling myself a Bogger Brit from now on.

Pat Mustard

corner of hells wrote: »

Were they not German Light Infantry ?

Yeah, Germans disguised as free Polish troops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eagle_Has_Landed

Fratton Fred

Cantremember wrote: »

Wtf is a Polish disguise?

Personally I eat swan and drink Tyskie to avoid suspicion.

rainbowtrout

I teach in the north west and we have quite a number of students in school who are British. Their families have moved to Ireland and bought homes in the west where it is cheaper, and they are looking for a better quality of life. Many of their kids were young when they moved so now speak with Irish accents and learn Irish at school. Some may have had one Irish parent to begin with so their surnames don't stand out. Even at that a lot of British surnames wouldn't stand out on a class list as being unusual. It's when you bring them on school tour and they come in with a British passport, or you meet their parents at a parent-teacher meeting and realise that they are British, or they mention in class that they were born in London/Manchester/Cardiff etc that it becomes apparent.

Rasheed

There is a **** load of British around here. Way more than Eastern Europeans.

Seems to be a majority of couples looking for the quintessential country life. This appears to involves doing up an old cottage, having chickens and a donkey wandering about, growing vegetables for themselves, cutting turf by hand, making soda bread, that sort of thing.

I could sell you Brits, I've that many around me.

Son Of A Vidic

Cantremember wrote: »

Wtf is a Polish disguise?

Guys copying Polish lads and their natural red & white beards.