Another Hour Record Attempt upcoming

Darkglasses

Well, for those of you hoping for a rush of attempts on the Hour Record, you've got your wish. IAM Cycling's Matthias Brändle will be doing it in Aigle on Oct. 30th. Looks like they've been working on it secretly for sometime.

The bike:



Promo vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47bmQXlU5fU

simonrooneyzaga

One for the "Images of Ugly" thread??

Darkglasses

Fairly manky for sure. Interesting that he hasn't gone for two disk wheels like Jens did.

I would find it hard to believe that a pro team would announce their attempt unless they were fairly certain that they were going to break it. Especially given the really short notice that IAM have given for the attempt, they've obviously been working and testing it for some time.

Here's Brandle's wiki page, if like me you're not terribly familiar with this guy.

simonrooneyzaga

Interesting choice of rider alright. Jens really fed the PR aspect of his effort. I suppose IAM / Scott may be letting the technology do the talking!

Zyzz

Im sure they have all the data from Jens spin, so they know what Matthias will need to average (speed/power/optimal cadence etc) for the whole spin..assuming he has the legs and the bike stays in one piece, I'd be very surprised if this wasn't beaten again!

Beasty

It's also interesting that he's going for it on a 200m track. Pursuiters tend to prefer sweeping rather than tight bends. Will certainly be interesting to see if he can avoid going up the track in the bends a bit better than Jens did

check_six

Beasty wrote: »

It's also interesting that he's going for it on a 200m track. Pursuiters tend to prefer sweeping rather than tight bends. Will certainly be interesting to see if he can avoid going up the track in the bends a bit better than Jens did

What's a standard length for a velodrome track? Do they vary by much?

Alek

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

Interesting choice of rider alright. Jens really fed the PR aspect of his effort. I suppose IAM / Scott may be letting the technology do the talking!

Austrian National Time Trial Championships


Multiple winners:
Matthias Brändle : 2009, 2013, 2014

simonrooneyzaga

Alek wrote: »

Austrian National Time Trial Championships


Multiple winners:
Matthias Brändle : 2009, 2013, 2014

As impressive as that is, I think my point still stands. He is not a 'household name' to the average cycling fan (especially a very average cycling fan like myself), whereas Jens is/was and the other heirs apparent to the title (Wiggins etc..) are also.

There's no doubt that I got caught up in the hype surrounding Jens' effort, as did many people I know that I didn't even realise enjoyed cycling. I will still follow this with interest, but I don't know if it will enjoy the same coverage at the Trek effort.

Now to familiarise myself with this Brandle fellow ;-)

ZiabR

Will this one be on TV live aswell?

Beasty

check_six wrote: »

What's a standard length for a velodrome track? Do they vary by much?

250m, although there are a number at 200m and last week's European Championships were on a 333 metre track. For top international events the track will usually be 250m, but can be a length that divides exactly into 1000m

There are a number of tracks built round soccer pitches - that's the case with the 2 main ones in Ireland - Orangefield in Belfast is I believe just under 400m and Sundrive in Dublin around 460m. Calshot in the UK is just over 142m.

easygoing39

@ Beasty,sorry this is off topic,but you seem to know about track cycling.

I was at Sundrive track last year looking at the racing.And when the race was over the riders stopped up against the fence and walked their bikes down to the infield.Why didn't they just stop on the inside off the track where it was flat and right beside where they wanted to go? It looked a bit risky walking down the banking too.Thanks.

Beasty

At Sundrive the banking on the straight is quite shallow and it's very easy to walk up to and down from the fence. At the bottom of the track in some places once you are off the cote d'azure it's maybe 50cm to a kerb, and stopping on that can be pretty precarious (tbh I've never even tried at Sundrive, but have done it at Kanturk where there is a proper run-off). Basically you can stop safely at the top of the track by holding onto the fence while you unclip

Indoor tracks are different - generally much steeper and indeed made of wood increasing the risk of slipping or falling (and indeed damaging the surface!). However like Kanturk they will normally have a wide runoff area on the inside of the track, and unlike Kanturk a fence inside that which again can be held to bring you to a halt and dismount safely.

Beasty

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

As impressive as that is, I think my point still stands. He is not a 'household name' to the average cycling fan (especially a very average cycling fan like myself)

I'd never heard of Michael Hutchinson until I got the book. Wonder if he's pondering another go now the rules have been relaxed. He wasn't that far adrift without the benefit of all the aero gear

Darkglasses

Beasty wrote: »

I'd never heard of Michael Hutchinson until I got the book. Wonder if he's pondering another go now the rules have been relaxed. He wasn't that far adrift without the benefit of all the aero gear

Now that I'd like to see. Might be just a little too far past his best now though. Also, he wouldn't have the logistical and technological backing of IAM or Trek, that's got to count for a lot.

petethedrummer

Darkglasses wrote: »

he wouldn't have the logistical and technological backing of IAM or Trek, that's got to count for a lot.

Hutchinson seems to have as much brains as any back room team!

Darkglasses

Paddy Power only giving 1/2 on Brandle to break the record. Pretty tight, but I guess they probably lost a lot on the Voigt attempt.

Idleater

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

As impressive as that is, I think my point still stands. He is not a 'household name' to the average cycling fan...

You're obviously not from / living in Austria.

simonrooneyzaga

Idleater wrote: »

You're obviously not from / living in Austria.

Correct

niceonetom

Passive aggressive exchanges about knowledge of Austrian TT specialists aside...

I'm very pleased to see Brandle have a go at this. I first really noticed him in the Tour of Britain when he was up the road two-days-in-a-row, the second of which resulted in a 140km two-up TT with Alex Dowset. Together they held off Quickstep and a few others to the extent that Kwiatowski, who was in yellow, had to start pulling the bunch himself as Terpstra et al were burnt. Anyone who can do that to OPQS is a serious engine. In the end they held the gap to enough for Dowset to take the jersey and Brandle to take the stage. It was, as they say, epic.

Second, I'm also pleased to see this Hour thing be used by a rider to MAKE his name, not just be a swan song for grandees who want a last minute shot at glory. The hour has nearly always been done by riders past their best, or by riders who already have little to prove and nothing to lose. It takes a bit more guts for a rider to use this as a stepping stone to announcing himself as a top tier rider.

Lastly, this has to be a fact finding mission for Phinney too, right? I mean I have to think that Fabs has had his numbers plugged in to the mountain of data Trek got from Jens's go, and now BMC/Phinney need to close that information gap with a similar trail run.

Raam

niceonetom wrote: »

Lastly, this has to be a fact finding mission for Phinney too, right? I mean I have to think that Fabs has had his numbers plugged in to the mountain of data Trek got from Jens's go, and now BMC/Phinney need to close that information gap with a similar trail run.

How come you link this to BMC/Phinney? Brandle rides for IAM.

niceonetom

Brain fart. All those Swiss teams look the same to me.

pelevin

Does anyone know how Brandle & Voigt would have been expected to do respective to each other in an ordinary TT in the last year or so? And if Brandle being better, might that be explained to a degree by Voigt not having a reason to give everything in TTs?

Darkglasses

Just been confirmed that this will be live on ES

TheBlaaMan

Given that its their track and they have already uploaded the trailer to their channel, I'd expect that the UCI will also broadcast it live https://www.youtube.com/user/ucichannel

easygoing39

Only 1/4 to get the record this morning on Paddy Power,down from 1/2,lots of people must have him backed,myself included.Going to my local to watch it.

Darkglasses

Programme starts at 5.45 on Eurosport , they're repeating the Voigt attempt now.

Darkglasses

Brandle changed to a front disk wheel like Voigt for the attempt

pelevin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYqVdAI-1zw

UCI Youtube channel.

. . . think this was posted already but anyway

Darkglasses

Excellent start by Brandle, he started much much slower than Voigt but he's already ahead by 7 seconds

Darkglasses

Making it look easy for now

Beasty

Darkglasses wrote: »

Brandle changed to a front disk wheel like Voigt for the attempt

Would have been crazy not to. It makes a massive difference in something like this

Darkglasses

Beasty wrote: »

Would have been crazy not to. It makes a massive difference in something like this

Yeah, I was surprised the publicity pictures had the bike with a normal deep-section wheel.

Beasty

Darkglasses wrote: »

Making it look easy for now

It's the last 15-20 minutes that matter the most. The smaller track will count against him, but he's keeping a much better line than Jens (so far anyway)

simonrooneyzaga

Interesting the track size is not standardised for the attempt. Did the guy from Scott not just say Brandle has an advantage on the smaller track?

dastardly00

I hadn't realised that the rider is not allowed to be looking at the data from his bike computer while he is riding. Kinda funny that the computer is attached to the back of the saddle.

pelevin

Don't really see why the principle of the rider not allowed power data shouldn't be part of ordinary road-racing also. Should imo be part of the art to gauge where you are by feel.

Darkglasses

Over a minute ahead of Voigt with 16 minutes left, still flying. On for a 52km attempt

Darkglasses

Starting to drop off in the last 9 minutes but shouldn't be in too much danger, his lead is bobbing up and around a minute.

REBELSAFC

He's slowing down. Under 52kph now but should have enough in the tank to hold on

velo.2010

He's fading a bit now.... actually more than a bit.


My guess, he'll beat it by 36 seconds! edit: he stayed strong at the end and didn't fade as much as I thought.

wanderer 22

velo.2010 wrote: »

He's fading a bit now.... actually more than a bit.


My guess, he'll beat it by 36 seconds!

I guess 42!

Darkglasses

It's distance that matters lads :P

I think he'll get 52.1km

wanderer 22

Darkglasses wrote: »

It's distance that matters lads :P

I think he'll get 52.1km

Ha,of course :pac:

Darkglasses

Great ride Brandle! Very different looking effort to Voigt's. Brandle was clearly completely spent, whereas Voigt probably could have gone farther

REBELSAFC

51850m

Thats 51.85 kmph (incase anyone needed clarification):rolleyes:;)

Beasty

pelevin wrote: »

Don't really see why the principle of the rider not allowed power data shouldn't be part of ordinary road-racing also. Should imo be part of the art to gauge where you are by feel.

He might not have the data in front of him, but that does not prevent his team (who do have access to it) from communicating with him throughout the hour

Beasty

simonrooneyzaga wrote: »

Interesting the track size is not standardised for the attempt. Did the guy from Scott not just say Brandle has an advantage on the smaller track?

It may not have been as big a disadvantage to him as to some others. However a shorter track is typically tighter than a longer one and the commentators indicated throughout that a 250m track is better. There has been some surprise expressed by the likes of Michael Hutchinson that a 200m track was chosen. It seems that track was chosen as much for it's proximity to the team and its sponsors.

IP freely

pelevin wrote: »

Don't really see why the principle of the rider not allowed power data shouldn't be part of ordinary road-racing also. Should imo be part of the art to gauge where you are by feel.

That's the same as saying that's racing cars shouldn't have rev counters and fuel gauges on them.

Technology is a good thing, it makes things faster / tighter and better to watch. embrace it

pelevin

IP freely wrote: »

That's the same as saying that's racing cars shouldn't have rev counters and fuel gauges on them.

Technology is a good thing, it makes things faster / tighter and better to watch. embrace it

No, it's not the same as saying that at all. I would see part of the art of cycling as for instance on a mountain climb the cyclist having to make judgements on if to attack, whether to follow an attack, etc for himself rather than being able to look at his power meter with the knowledge of what should be feasible over such a climb & ride to that. That's racing to a large degree reduced to the physiological rather than anything to do with racing. Rather than improving racing, I'd say such usage of power meters, etc makes racing much more controllable & predictable - very much the Team Sky modus operandis - rather than alive & spontaneous.

Glass Prison 1214

This hour record is cool, hope to see more attempts.