Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Poor_old_gill

wackokid wrote: »

FYI....The Gaelic Football Rule changes which become operative on 1st January 2014 are as follows.....there are 6 changes
1...Introduction of a BLACK CARD for Cynical Behaviour Fouls and there are 5 of them fouls listed. We need only concern ourselves with No1 here.

1 Deliberately pull down an opponent.

Obviously the Rules people regard that as cynical behaviour no matter what the circumstances and we can argue all day and all night about the rights and wrongs of Savage's black card. The ref thought he deliberately pulled down an opponent, and I did too.
Yes I was there and these things happen quickly etc. etc. and we are all colour blind in these matters.
To answer you on Kerry's rules it's obvious that Kerry take scoring frees from the wrong and obviously more favourable positions and get away with it time after time. The seniors have it perfected and now the U21s are at it too. Several instances on Wed. night and the reaction of the Cork supporters tells it's own story.

Well thats exactly the point we are debating- I dont think it warranted a black card as he didnt set out to intentionally pull him to the ground- most fouls (as i stated before) end up with a guy being grounded but they arent all black cards and I really felt this one wasnt either. I dont think its a big conspiracy, just a poor decision and I felt sorry for the lad.

Cork were the better team with or without Savage and with better shooting would have had us out the gate at half time.

On the frees thing- I reckon (and hope) you're at the wind-up so I wont bother.

citykat

zetecescort wrote: »

TG4 no, but we have only played Galway and now Tipp on a Sunday. KK, Clare and Dublin games all on Saturday evenings

Have posted on another thread. The KK/CL game is practically meaningless - Cl need to win. TG4 should be showing Wd/Wx game. This is the only game with something at stake. In reality there's nothing at stake in Ck/Tp other than just bragging rights. Some might argue neither will want to show their full hand before the real fun starts. I'd be surprised if both don't win their their QFs so we'll see them in the semis in technicolour.

zetecescort

Very disappointing last 10 or 15 minutes, Tipp upped the play and it looked like we had no response. We just stopped playing after going 12 up. Daniel Kearney was Cork's best I thought. Callnan had Cahalane in all sorts of trouble but Damien not helped when management didn't try and switch him with someone else.

Good to see us go for goal and get them but not much use if we still mange to lose.

Wexford next should be an interesting test, toss for venue according to the radio

Talib Fiasco

Still don't think Cahalane is an intercounty level full back. Never saw the appeal in him.

zetecescort

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Still don't think Cahalane is an intercounty level full back. Never saw the appeal in him.

Don't mean to single him out but i would agree. We are kind of fecked with Joyce's injury though.

Figsy32

Hard to know what to think after that. Some excellent stuff but that last 15 minutes was horrific.

Talib Fiasco

zetecescort wrote: »

Don't mean to single him out but i would agree. We are kind of fecked with Joyce's injury though.

Time for a new young fella to step up I'd say. Cahalane will continue to be a liability. It's the quality around him that has saved him in the past but if we're looking to win all irelands we need a proper reliable three.

North Cork Star

Well we let that one behind us today. We were terrible in the last 15 minutes. As someone said earlier, once we went up the 12 points we didn't hurl at all and Tipp got totally on top of us. Daniel Kearney and Mark Ellis going off didn't help us either. A few players I felt were shown up today and need to up their games come championship.

Anthony Nash was solid and how did he make those saves. A leader.
Shane O Neill did well but Bonner Maher caused him a spot of bother late on.
Damien Cahalane started well but Callinan can be unmarkable at times as shown at times today. Lacks big time hurling wise.
Stephen McDonnell did well and notably kept Bubbles quiet.
Lorcan McLoughlin doing well again and nailing down a wing back spot for championship.
Mark Ellis holding centre well. Hopefully injury not too serious.
Cormac Murphy's hurled well but way too loose altogether. Noel McGrath had a field day as a result.
Daniel Kearney again Mr. Consistent, hurling fierce well and fighting for the breaks also.
Aidan Walsh got shown up at times hurling wise but in fairness got into it well and his direct running in great to see. Let's hope he sharpens up for the summer.
Conor Lehane great to get the scores and delivered in every game scoring wise in the league but he went a hide in those crucial last 10 minutes.
Seamus Harnedy with another brilliant performance at centre forward scoring 5 points and winning primary possession and making good runs too. He could have got the equaliser.
Rob O Shea played well at times but still not convinced that he will be starting come the summer. Has the hurling but maybe impact sub he could be more effective at this moment in time.
Alan Cadogan was lively but he is still green. His touch was off and his decision making was off but then again not many corner backs like marking him do if he can sharpen up he will do a job.
Luke O Farrell was very quiet and found it hard to find possession. He was still making those runs but high balls coming into him only suited the defender. Paudie putting him under pressure for a place.
Patrick Horgan should his full potential today I thought. We saw him getting the ball into his hand and taking on his man all the time which is encouraging. He had to work for the goals today and by God he took them well.
Subs: Conor O Sullivan good hurler but let his man turn him twice today when we were under pressure.
Bill Cooper didn't get much game time and needs to be hurling at pace as often as he can as he needs it.
Paudie O' Sullivan is a great goal poacher. He is dangerous and fighting for a place in the forwards.
Andy Walsh got involved around midfield. A pity he didn't get more game time throughout the league.
Stephen Moylan also came on late on.

I saw Jamie Coughlan pucking around before the game so it is good to see him back also.

Wexford next week in the League Quarter Final!

homeofhurling

when was the last time cork lost a game with a 4 goal lead with 15 minutes left some come back from tipp.

Steven81

homeofhurling wrote: »

when was the last time cork lost a game with a 4 goal lead with 15 minutes left some come back from tipp.

Lots of quotes in the uibhfhaili (offaly forum) website as to what happened to Cork today.
http://www.uibhfhaili.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6850

Pity we didn't get one of the stronger teams in the quarter final :

Well done on that, Cork mustn't have fancied their chances against us.
Fair point allstar2010. Id say its the draw both tipp and cork feared.. Little bit of a step up on antrim for our boys I would say.
Just a little bit alright. Shur if we get a home draw might be a chance to try out a few young lads

homeofhurling

lads taking the piss i would say.

Corcaigh Abu1

the coin toss has been done and cork are at home v Wexford.

Should have enough to see them through to the semis even if the 3 lads are injured.
The nature of the lack of fight or drive in the last 20mis was very disheartening. the subs coming on seemed to weaken the team instead of strengthening it. Why hasn't Jamie Caughlan seen more game time? Didn't he come on as a late sub v Galway?
he never seems to shy away from the physical stuff and can score from distance, he might of done better than Moylan in the last few mins.

What do people think the team v wexford will be? if they going to keep playing calahane at FB then MacDonald could be worth a look at CB for this game since Ellis is out?

banger01

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

the coin toss has been done and cork are at home v Wexford.

What do people think the team v wexford will be? if they going to keep playing calahane at FB then MacDonald could be worth a look at CB for this game since Ellis is out?

Anthony Nash
Shane O'N Damian C Conor OS
Stephen McD Lorcan McL Cormac M
Adian W Conor Lehane
Jamie C Bill C Seamus H
Paudi O'S Anothony S Luke O'F

willietherock

Eoin Cadogan proving to be massive loss for the hurlers with Joyce gone for the year. Best hurling club defender in Cork by a mile. Hard to know what they'll do for fullback. Probably stick McDonnell in there and cover your eyes at this stage.

A bit of a mirror image of the All Ire semi final the last day in the last quarter. Once Tipp defence upped the physical stakes, Harnedy aside, the other forwards were too physically weak to compete. Same old story. Aiden Walsh's physically and athleticism badly needed in the half forward line as well as midfield.

seventh7

willietherock wrote: »

Eoin Cadogan proving to be massive loss for the hurlers with Joyce gone for the year. Best hurling club defender in Cork by a mile. Hard to know what they'll do for fullback. Probably stick McDonnell in there and cover your eyes at this stage.

A bit of a mirror image of the All Ire semi final the last day in the last quarter. Once Tipp defence upped the physical stakes, Harnedy aside, the other forwards were too physically weak to compete. Same old story. Aiden Walsh's physically and athleticism badly needed in the half forward line as well as midfield.

Truest post on the thread, simply put and on the money. We have lovely wristy forwards bright as buttons and mobile to a fault apart from Harnedy they are light and when it gets physical they go missing. Once the possesion is lost in an intercounty game the first line of defence has to be the forwards pressing the ball. Watch Kilkenny they have made it an art form. If we persist with this type of hurling we will get exactly what we deserve, not a lot. Joyce is a huge loss he has potential and was looking very comfortable in the full back slot. He aslo plays with an edge to his game which one would expect from a Na Parsaigh player. Given the calibre of player in Cork we will always be competitive, getting back to the top of the pile where we belong that will be another story. Unless we change the mindset a little and start looking for the Bonnar Mahers and the Richie Hogans in the cork hurling squads then a return to past glories may be nothing but a pipe dream.

Corcaigh Abu1

banger01 wrote: »

Anthony Nash
Shane O'N Damian C Conor OS
Stephen McD Lorcan McL Cormac M
Adian W Conor Lehane
Jamie C Bill C Seamus H
Paudi O'S Anothony S Luke O'F

I cant see them playing Lehane midfield, its too important and he can be so hot and cold at times. he doesn't have the same fight as Kearny. I think they will put O'shea in there as any game he started/came on he was playing in the middle anyway. Id like to see Jamie Caughlan get a run either midfield or on the wing. Its a great chance for a couple of players to stake a claim on a jersey. these injuries will tell us a lot more about the bench and who could make it and who's not up to the required standard.

Figsy32

willietherock wrote: »

Eoin Cadogan proving to be massive loss for the hurlers with Joyce gone for the year. Best hurling club defender in Cork by a mile. Hard to know what they'll do for fullback. Probably stick McDonnell in there and cover your eyes at this stage.

A bit of a mirror image of the All Ire semi final the last day in the last quarter. Once Tipp defence upped the physical stakes, Harnedy aside, the other forwards were too physically weak to compete. Same old story. Aiden Walsh's physically and athleticism badly needed in the half forward line as well as midfield.

Have to agree with the second paragraph, but I think Cadogan proved consistently when he played for Cork first time round that he was a liability in full back.

I don't like McDonnell in there either, he's a terrific corner back not a full back but I'd have a lot more faith in him. It also fits Conor O'Sullivan into the team which is handy against the likes of Waterford who don't play 3 in the full forward line as he's a fantastic sweeper.

Corcaigh Abu1

Figsy32 wrote: »

Have to agree with the second paragraph, but I think Cadogan proved consistently when he played for Cork first time round that he was a liability in full back.

I don't like McDonnell in there either, he's a terrific corner back not a full back but I'd have a lot more faith in him. It also fits Conor O'Sullivan into the team which is handy against the likes of Waterford who don't play 3 in the full forward line as he's a fantastic sweeper.

I think MacDonad is the best option for FB now. if Wexford start their own Macdonald FF he would be a handful for any FB and I think Stephen MacD would be best suited to him. fast, intelligent, better in the air and better stick man than Calahane. Podge Doran is likely to be corner forward for wexford too, although his hurling isn't top class he would have a serious height advantage over, conor o Sullivan who could struggle with high ball on top of him. because of that I think JBM will persist with Calahane.

its looking like Daniel Kearny is in a race to be fit for Sunday but Ellis and Cads are ruled out.

eigrod

banger01 wrote: »

Anthony Nash
Shane O'N Damian C Conor OS
Stephen McD Lorcan McL Cormac M
Adian W Conor Lehane
Jamie C Bill C Seamus H
Paudi O'S Anothony S Luke O'F

No Horgan ? Can't see that happening.

Orizio

banger01 wrote: »

Anthony Nash
Shane O'N Damian C Conor OS
Stephen McD Lorcan McL Cormac M
Adian W Conor Lehane
Jamie C Bill C Seamus H
Paudi O'S Anothony S Luke O'F

Kearney is available.

Richmond Ultra

Cadogan is out for three weeks.

zetecescort

Richmond Ultra wrote: »

Cadogan is out for three weeks.

3 week break to league semis if we win on Sunday I think.

Producer Ben

Any word on the minor hurlers, what kind of panel have they put together?

zetecescort

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)

2. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)

3. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s)

4. James Loughrey (Mallow)

5. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

6. Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)

7. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)

8. Fintan Goold (Macroom)

9. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)

10. Kevin O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

11. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)

12. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

13. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)

14. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)

15. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)

Subs:

16. Paddy O’Shea (St. Vincent’s)

17. Stephen O’Donoghue (Ballincollig)

18. Stephen Cronin (Nemo Rangers)

19. Sean White (Clonakilty)

20. Donncha O’Connor (Ballydesmond)

21. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)

22. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)

23. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)

24. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)

25. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)

26. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)

Note: Unavailable due to injury, Ian Maguire, Ruairi Deane, Eoin Cadogan, Tom Clancy and Kevin Crowley.

Selectors: Brian Cuthbert (Bishopstown) - Manager, Owen Sexton, Kilbrittain, Ciaran O’Sullivan (Urhan), Don Davis (O’Donovan Rossa), Ronan McCarthy (Douglas).

zetecescort

1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)

2. Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)

3. Damien Cahalane (St. Finbarr’s)

4. William Kearney (Sarsfields)

5. Lorcán McLoughlin (Kanturk)

6. Killian Burke (Midleton)

7. Cormac Murphy (Mallow)

8. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)

9. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)

10. Conor Lehane (Midleton)

11. Seamus Harnedy (St.Ita’s)

12. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)

13. Anthony Spillane (Castlelyons)

14. Luke O’Farrell (Midleton)

15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Subs:

16. Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)

17. Conor O’Sullivan (Sarsfields)

18. Brian O’Sullivan (Fermoy)

19. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)

20. Andy Walsh (Killeagh)

21. Bill Cooper (Youghal)

22. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)

23. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)

24. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)

25. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)

Note: Patrick Cronin, Mark Ellis and Alan Cadogan were not considered due to injury. Stephen McDonnell was not available for selection due to work commitments.

Team Management: Jimmy Barry-Murphy (St. Finbarr’s) - Manager, Mark Landers (Killeagh) - Coach, Johnny Crowley (Bishopstown), Seánie McGrath (Glen Rovers).

willietherock

Cork are shockingly threadbare at the back. Has young Burke ever played at centreback in his life? V lightweight to contest under the dropping ball. If the footballers are gone early Eoin Cadogan will be straight into the hurling panel pronto.

zetecescort

Burke played centreback for the u-21s last year

N20

Producer Ben wrote: »

Any word on the minor hurlers, what kind of panel have they put together?

Hearsay but both Limerick and Cork played Kilkenny and beat Kilkenny handy

This tells us nothing about Kilkenny as they were destroyd by Dublin 1st rd last year - regrouped ( with Kierans /CBS lads ) and came back to win All Ireland

only challenges but it implies Cork & Limerick even enough as presumably playing close enough to first 15 with championship in next 2 weeks

all to play for, and a back door for whoever loses with neith side meeting Tipp until munster final - tipp are favorites to take munster this year

I've no idea what Waterford or Clare have

Heard also Cork 21s beat Limerick in recent challenge but both teams missing starters

willietherock

zetecescort wrote: »

Burke played centreback for the u-21s last year

They played a sweeper in behind him in both games . He's a career cornerback. Cork have a shockingly limited defensive bench.

willietherock

N20 wrote: »

Hearsay but both Limerick and Cork played Kilkenny and beat Kilkenny handy

This tells us nothing about Kilkenny as they were destroyd by Dublin 1st rd last year - regrouped ( with Kierans /CBS lads ) and came back to win All Ireland

only challenges but it implies Cork & Limerick even enough as presumably playing close enough to first 15 with championship in next 2 weeks

all to play for, and a back door for whoever loses with neith side meeting Tipp until munster final - tipp are favorites to take munster this year

I've no idea what Waterford or Clare have

Heard also Cork 21s beat Limerick in recent challenge but both teams missing starters

I see the losers of Cork/Limerick match play Waterford ( if Tipp are so sh1t hot) and there is a good chance of a repeat semi final with the loser of the first round game having the advantage. Crazy system.