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Ordinary People

  • 14-10-2014 8:14pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Plates


    If this has been covered before (Mods) please feel free to delete.

    In their Dail speeches today both Pearse Doherty and Paul Murphy referred to "Ordinary People". Does anyone have any insight into the parameters they use to define "Ordinary People"?

    Does that term imply that those who do not fit the definition are, by default, "Extraordinary People"?
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  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭crannglas


    Plates wrote: »
    If this has been covered before (Mods) please feel free to delete.

    In their Dail speeches today both Pearse Doherty and Paul Murphy referred to "Ordinary People". Does anyone have any insight into the parameters they use to define "Ordinary People"?

    Does that term imply that those who do not fit the definition are, by default, "Extraordinary People"?
    I feel a song coming on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,219 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Joe and Josephine Murphy. Pair of cnuts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭bitemeluis


    I'm an Ordinary man, nothin special nothin grand...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    bitemeluis wrote: »
    I'm an Ordinary man, nothin special nothin grand...
    I put it to you that you are otherwise


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Ordinary people are people who eat their dinner in the middle of the day.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,646 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    The man on the Clapham omnibus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    People who Robert Redford has made a movie about.


  • Posts: 0 Ricky Big Arm


    Ordinary people are those persons who are ritually screwed by government and industry every day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭bitemeluis


    snubbleste wrote: »
    I put it to you that you are otherwise

    But I've had to work for everything I own..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    the non-lizard folk?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    People who Robert Redford has made a movie about.

    Great I be special, or to the right of my uncle G Khan


  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Plates


    On another note, does anyone else think that Paul Murphy has one of the most slappable faces in politics?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    bitemeluis wrote: »
    But I've had to work for everything I own..

    Roide on,


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Ordinary people are those persons who are ritually screwed by government and industry every day.
    No that would be the 7% of our workers who earn more than 100k per year yet contribute 24% of the overall tax take.

    Ordinary people would probably be the 76% on under 50k who contribute less than what those seven percent do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Stheno wrote: »
    No that would be the 7% of our workers who earn more than 100k per year yet contribute 24% of the overall tax take.

    Ordinary people would probably be the 76% on under 50k who contribute less than what those seven percent do.

    before you consider those statistics, you should probably take a look at the incentives offered to the 7% in replacement for taxes paid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Plates


    Ordinary people are those persons who are ritually screwed by government and industry every day.

    What's your definition of "industry"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Plates


    before you consider those statistics, you should probably take a look at the incentives offered to the 7% in replacement for taxes paid.

    Such as?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Plates wrote: »
    Such as?

    well in one particular case someone was adjudged (by our own high courts) to "100%" have bribed the previous Fine Gael government into handing him an important state asset (which he then made a shambles of). the same man is now working a contract on another important state asset.

    there's many more cases like this, money buys a ton of forgiveness with certain people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Plates


    well in one particular case someone was adjudged (by our own high courts) to "100%" have bribed the previous Fine Gael government into handing him an important state asset (which he then made a shambles of). the same man is now working a contract on another important state asset.

    there's many more cases like this, money buys a ton of forgiveness with certain people.

    So by your logic the 7% all earn the same vast sums as the person you're referring to?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    well in one particular case someone was adjudged (by our own high courts) to "100%" have bribed the previous Fine Gael government into handing him an important state asset (which he then made a shambles of). the same man is now working a contract on another important state asset.

    there's many more cases like this, money buys a ton of forgiveness with certain people.

    The people I referenced are PAYE workers, and classed as paying PAYE and USC

    Yes they can take advantage of tax breaks, but for 7% of the tax paying public to contribute 24% is a massive disparity, when another 76% pay less than that in total


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Plates wrote: »
    So by your logic the 7% all earn the same vast sums as the person you're referring to?

    thats quite a jump :eek:

    i was giving you one example. do you really need me to start realing off examples of wealthy folk that have gotten away with murder because they contribute a lot more to the coffers than others?

    and while i dont literally mean murder, there have been cases...


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    thats quite a jump :eek:

    i was giving you one example. do you really need me to start realing off examples of wealthy folk that have gotten away with murder because they contribute a lot more to the coffers than others?

    and while i dont literally mean murder, there have been cases...

    Do you honestly think someone on 100k and paying up to 55% marginal tax rate is wealthy?

    There is the 1% on over 200k


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Stheno wrote: »
    The people I referenced are PAYE workers, and classed as paying PAYE and USC

    Yes they can take advantage of tax breaks, but for 7% of the tax paying public to contribute 24% is a massive disparity, when another 76% pay less than that in total

    that depends on whether you look at it from a socialist or capitalist POV.

    personally i think lessening the social divide is more important than analysing tax brackets to make sure everything is 'fair'. no matter what way you look at it, someone on 80,000 a year doesnt have the worry of someone recently made unemployed.

    if you believe in that kind of taxation system then obviously your opinion will differ to mine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Stheno wrote: »
    Do you honestly think someone on 100k and paying up to 55% marginal tax rate is wealthy?

    i dont. the brackets need serious widening. but its not someone coming home with 45000 that im talking about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭pharmaton


    I don't think I even qualify as 'people'.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    that depends on whether you look at it from a socialist or capitalist POV.

    personally i think lessening the social divide is more important than analysing tax brackets to make sure everything is 'fair'. no matter what way you look at it, someone on 80,000 a year doesnt have the worry of someone recently made unemployed.

    if you believe in that kind of taxation system then obviously your opinion will differ to mine.

    Well put it this way, if I'm on 30k a year at the moment, and get a 1k pay rise, then I get about 750e back into my hand.

    If I'm on 80k I get 480 back into my hand.

    And god forbid, if I'm self employed and on more than 100k, I get 450 back into my hand.

    If that's not a fair system which rewards lower earners, I don't know what is.

    It's called a progressive tax system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Plates


    Stheno wrote: »
    Well put it this way, if I'm on 30k a year at the moment, and get a 1k pay rise, then I get about 750e back into my hand.

    If I'm on 80k I get 480 back into my hand.

    And god forbid, if I'm self employed and on more than 100k, I get 450 back into my hand.

    If that's not a fair system which rewards lower earners, I don't know what is.

    It's called a progressive tax system.

    You can't be quoting sensible figures like that willy nilly. Sure if that was true then what would Sinn Fein and The AAA be up on their high horses about?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Plates wrote: »
    You can't be quoting sensible figures like that willy nilly. Sure if that was true then what would Sinn Fein and The AAA be up on their high horses about?

    They know the higher earners have too much sense to support them :pac:

    And the 76% are their core vote?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    John Q. Taxpayer. Who wouldn't dream of voting for the loony left or the shinners. The type of lad who earns a decent wedge, put the head down, and now wants a small bit back. Will probably give FG the vote in the next General Election.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Plates wrote: »
    In their Dail speeches today both Pearse Doherty and Paul Murphy referred to "Ordinary People". Does anyone have any insight into the parameters they use to define "Ordinary People"?

    Because "de salt of the earth wurking class" is probably too cliched and patronising these days.


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