Next (2016) Gov: FF, FG & Lab? (Bankers Gov?)

Slydice

Given recent opinion polls and recent election results, I think it looks like there's a possibility the next government will be made up of Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour in coalition.

They are the Bankers parties. They play ball for the bankers and big boys. If they can't make a government with 2, the 3 will band together to keep the status quo (well, the bankers status quo).

What dye reckon?

I've read some threads here and there where people discuss possible ways FF and FG could do a coalition.

I know Lab have done coalitions with FF and FG seperatly.

So.. it doesn't seem impossible.

I imagine, it's a step that won't be needed if some miracle happens and the current government can somehow throw loads of money into peoples pockets and get loads of good jobs and start somehow getting the young people to come back from their emmigrations. Then they can go back to business as usual (fixin the road)... fleecing us all while pretending to fleece each other.

So, how will you feel when (ok... when/if ) your beloved FF, FG or Lab go into coalition after the next election?

Harry Angstrom

I can't see FG and FF ever forming a coalition. It would be short term gain for very long term pain. Labour will be also-rans after the next election. They won't have enough seats to influence anything.

johnnyskeleton

My money is on the next govt being FG/Lab coalition again. I dont see much by way of alternative at the moment, with FF and SF being as bad as each other

Gael23

Labour will be irrevalant after 2016. The swing towards independents will be a problem for any coalition but my bet is on a rather short lived FF/FG coalition

DazMarz

This is what will happen. Have no doubt. This is the emergence of a true left/right divide in Irish politics for the first time since the foundation of the State.

I predict that FG will get about 55 seats or so, FF about 35, Labour about 10... that's ballpark of 100 or so seats, which would give them a commanding and comfortable majority and is a far more attractive prospect than a coalition with Sinn Féin.

No new party will make significant gains, and a rash of Indo's cannot form a government. People will, perhaps begrudgingly, give votes or at least preferences to the triumvirate of Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Labour. It would be seen as a "safe" option for many, and these 3 parties will transfer very well amongst each other for the first time in history.

Today in Dublin-South-West and Roscommon-South-Leitrim, the transfer toxicity of Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil became stunningly apparent. A lot of Labour voters who got alienated in the last few years would seem to be the most likely to turn to SF. However, when an alternative was placed before them, they turned to that instead of transferring to Sinn Féin. The simple fact of the matter is that people are not ready to go back to Fianna Fáil. Both the poll-toppers in the by-elections did not win, due to transfer toxicity.

A general election, is a different election, however. I can tell you, despite all the populist anger out there, 2 budgets stand between this moment in time and the next election. 2 budgets where sweeteners can be offered... and a lot of people will swallow it and vote for at least one of the big 3. Bear in mind, that personal popularity in a candidate's respective constituency also plays a huge role, so also factor that in (in some cases anyway)

Gael23

I would agree with the majority of that. But a 3 way coalition will last a matter of months.

Sierra Oscar

Don't rule out a SF / Lab / hard left independents coalition. Expect SF to harp on about the creation of a second republic in 2016.

It won't last long, but it could happen.

DazMarz

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Don't rule out a SF / Lab / hard left independents coalition. Expect SF to harp on about the creation of a second republic in 2016.

It won't last long, but it could happen.

God forbid that happens. I don't think they'll get the necessary numbers to pull something like that off, however... but jesus, no. Anything is better than that!!!

Gael23

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Don't rule out a SF / Lab / hard left independents coalition. Expect SF to harp on about the creation of a second republic in 2016.

It won't last long, but it could happen.

This would fall even quicker than the 3 way coalition. To be honest I think we are heading for a series of unstable coalitions similar to 1982 when there were 3 elections in 18 months.

washman3

A Government comprising of FG/FF/LAB would be another God-send for the speculators and developers, and would surely spark off another almighty booze-up akin to the one they had when NAMA was formed. They simply couldn't believe their luck...:mad:

Berserker

Looking at the results from today, it looks like we are going to end up with a mix of all sorts. I was under the impression that the SF candidate was a certainty in South Dublin. His vote collapsed when it came to transfers. The same seemed to happen to the FF candidate in Roscommon. The turnout for both was very low, dreadful in South Dublin.

I still think the next government will be FF with SF being their lackey. They might need some independents to get the job done and I would worry about the stability of that unit. FF & FG could go in together but it's hard to see that happening.

washman3 wrote: »

A Government comprising of <> would be another God-send for the speculators and developers, and would surely spark off another almighty booze-up akin to the one they had when NAMA was formed. They simply couldn't believe their luck...:mad:

The above is going to happen anyway. It doesn't matter who gets in. The people want it. The troubles of the past will be a distant memory when the cheap credit start flowing and people can go back to buying their his and her new cars each year. People seems to forget that ULA, SF etc were proposing even bigger giveaways during the last boom.

Bang_Bang

DazMarz wrote: »

Today in Dublin-South-West and Roscommon-South-Leitrim, the transfer toxicity of Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil became stunningly apparent. A lot of Labour voters who got alienated in the last few years would seem to be the most likely to turn to SF. However, when an alternative was placed before them, they turned to that instead of transferring to Sinn Féin. The simple fact of the matter is that people are not ready to go back to Fianna Fáil. Both the poll-toppers in the by-elections did not win, due to transfer toxicity.

A general election, is a different election, however. I can tell you, despite all the populist anger out there, 2 budgets stand between this moment in time and the next election. 2 budgets where sweeteners can be offered... and a lot of people will swallow it and vote for at least one of the big 3. Bear in mind, that personal popularity in a candidate's respective constituency also plays a huge role, so also factor that in (in some cases anyway)

I think you're right here, King had it nailed until the transfers, the toxic transfers put Paul Murphy ahead in DSW after count 8, combined with the low turnout. I would say the government will take stock of the march and elections yesterday and will give a few sweeteners to the working poor and middle income earners to win them back in 2016, the electorate have very short memories in this country. The water protest yesterday makes me believe that there may be something in terms of "waivers" possibly handed out either in this budget or the next to keep IW firm and in place in the minds of the electorate.

SF in DSW still had more of a vote that FF, FG and Labour combined yesterday, even though King didn't get in. A lot of commentators are calling it an election on water charges.

jank

The issue surrounding IW will be long forgotten by most in 18 months time. However, the fact that the two main opposition parties failed to get any seat on Friday should be a worry. Then again a GE will be different.

FG/FF is the bookies favourite and the one will be entering government before the 2016 Easter commemoration. People think it would be a big deal but people thought that a coalition government in 1989 between FF and PD was a big deal as well, now its just an everyday thing. I have been saying this since 2011 and I think I will be proved right!

Bang_Bang

jank wrote: »

The issue surrounding IW will be long forgotten by most in 18 months time. However, the fact that the two main opposition parties failed to get any seat on Friday should be a worry. Then again a GE will be different.

FG/FF is the bookies favourite and the one will be entering government before the 2016 Easter commemoration. People think it would be a big deal but people thought that a coalition government in 1989 between FF and PD was a big deal as well, now its just an everyday thing. I have been saying this since 2011 and I think I will be proved right!

FG/FF will join forces to try and stop SF/AAA/IND getting into power in 2016. The sweeteners will come thick and fast as of tomorrow, rumors of tax cuts, Christmas bonuses, waivers etc... will be everywhere.

Berserker

Bang_Bang wrote: »

FG/FF will join forces to try and stop SF/AAA/IND getting into power in 2016. The sweeteners will come thick and fast as of tomorrow, rumors of tax cuts, Christmas bonuses, waivers etc... will be everywhere.

FF and FG won't join forces before the next election, if at all. I can't see AAA/SF/IND ever managing to come up with a programme for government. Too many of the independent and AAA candidates are single issue candidates.

Icepick

Who are 'the Bankers' and do they have a secret handshake?

michael999999

Icepick wrote: »

Who are 'the Bankers' and do they have a secret handshake?

Along with ' the developers' they could be seen drinking champagne with Michael martin and other Fianna fail stalwarts in the Galway tent.

Icepick

michael999999 wrote: »

Along with ' the developers' they could be seen drinking champagne with Michael martin and other Fianna fail stalwarts in the Galway tent.

Names and indictments?

MouseTail

Bang_Bang wrote: »

FG/FF will join forces to try and stop SF/AAA/IND getting into power in 2016. The sweeteners will come thick and fast as of tomorrow, rumors of tax cuts, Christmas bonuses, waivers etc... will be everywhere.

The FF grass roots will really struggle with playing Tanaiste to a FG Taoiseach. I can't see it happening.

DazMarz

For years, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have been controlling county councils by entering into coalition with each other.

This is very much the case currently in counties such as Carlow, Cavan, Clare, Cork, Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown (FF, FG and the Greens there), Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Offaly, Roscommon, Sligo, Tipperary, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow (FF, FG and an Independent technical group there).

Limerick City/County Council and Waterford City/County Council are also governed by a FF/FG coalition (with possible support from others).

With very few exceptions (notably in South Dublin, Fingal, Dublin City), Fine Gael/Fianna Fáil control county councils together and so on. This can cause some controversy, but by and large it is a system that works and gets things done.

It is an arrangement that has been going on for years. It has worked to a tee at local level.

Following the next general election, it will be a matter of necessity and the two shall take the next step. Collaboration at local level will lead to coalition at national level. With possibly what remains of the Labour party being brought in to shore up numbers and give extra stability.

hmmm

The results of the blasphemy poll in the IT today was interesting

Opposition to the proposal was significantly higher among Sinn Féin voters than those of other parties.

This to me suggests that SF has picked up an awful lot of the core FF vote, which would be pretty conservative in nature. Certainly an awful lot more conservative than the parties positions on many social issues.

That vote is soft. It could return to FF very easily.

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MouseTail

Wrt local Council, the Mayoral position rotates annually, so no one is really playing second fiddle as is the case in national politics. That blasphemy poll is interesting, I always believed the bulk of new SF support was socially conservative, the Party have some difficult grappling to do.

maccored

That was in principle, before the actual details where distributed. SF then voted against it when the details were given and yet labour went on to support all the things they had voted against.

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gandalf

OP the only way I see FF & FG ever going into Government together is if FG are the bigger party and Sinn Fein are the only other alternative.

FF would jump into bed with a party of Pedophiles looking to drop the age of consent to six if it meant they could get their noses at the trough again so they would be a shoe in for SF.

I don't believe Labour will have the numbers after the next General Election to matter either way.

Loafing Oaf

Don't see why Labour needs to be involved, FF+FG are 95% sure to have the numbers to form a govt, and if they're a few seats short they will be able to recruit some Michael-Lowry type independents. Also I wouldn't give attach the Orwellian connotations to such a development that the OP evidently does, FF and FG are openly conservative parties and the voters must be happy with what they are offering as they've been giving them two-thirds+ of the seats in the Dail since the foundation of the state...

If the current govt is not reelected then the only other option I can see is SF+FF+Lab but it's far from clear as yet that FF and SF are willing to tango...

DazMarz

Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin in coalition? May god be with us, because nobody else will...

Godge

DazMarz wrote: »

Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin in coalition? May god be with us, because nobody else will...

going by the opinion polls there are two government options likely to be available to the public next time out.

FF/SF led by Eamonn Cuiv and Gerry Adams.
FG/LAb led by Enda Kenny and Joan Burton.

Loafing Oaf

Godge wrote: »

going by the opinion polls there are two government options likely to be available to the public next time out.

FF/SF led by Eamonn Cuiv and Gerry Adams.
FG/LAb led by Enda Kenny and Joan Burton.

Good chance that neither of these will have the numbers, even with the support of Inds in the latter case or Lab + Inds in the former, in which case FG/FF becomes the only game in town , IMO...

Godge

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Good chance that neither of these will have the numbers, even with the support of Inds in the latter case or Lab + Inds in the former, in which case FG/FF becomes the only game in town , IMO...

If OCuiv or an acolyte of his is in charge of FF, they won't go into coalition with FG, that would be ruining his grandfather's legacy, instead you would see FF, SF and a heap of independents.

Loafing Oaf

Godge wrote: »

If OCuiv or an acolyte of his is in charge of FF, they won't go into coalition with FG, that would be ruining his grandfather's legacy, instead you would see FF, SF and a heap of independents.

PP are predicting 32 seats each for SF and FF, in that case Labour support would certainly be required to form a government. But it is not yet clear as yet that SF would be prepared to go into govt with FF. On the back of their failure in DSW, they may well decide that leaving open the option of coalition with FF or FG (and they've all but ruled out the latter) would leave them vulnerable to attack on their left flank...

Godge

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

PP are predicting 32 seats each for SF and FF, in that case Labour support would certainly be required to form a government. But it is not yet clear as yet that SF would be prepared to go into govt with FF. On the back of their failure in DSW, they may well decide that leaving open the option of coalition with FF or FG (and they've all but ruled out the latter) would leave them vulnerable to attack on their left flank...

Assuming an election just before Easter 2016, they will be climbing all over each other to be on that plinth.

DazMarz

Sinn Féin's supporters would bolt and baulk at the mere thought of going into coalition with Fianna Fáil. To Sinn Féin supporters, Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael are something akin to Satan, so I can't imagine that it will happen.

Godge

DazMarz wrote: »

Sinn Féin's supporters would bolt and baulk at the mere thought of going into coalition with Fianna Fáil. To Sinn Féin supporters, Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael are something akin to Satan, so I can't imagine that it will happen.

for Sinn Fein, the prize of standing outside the GPO for Easter 2016 is too much to turn down. All sorts of policies will be sacrificed for that.

DazMarz

Godge wrote: »

for Sinn Fein, the prize of standing outside the GPO for Easter 2016 is too much to turn down. All sorts of policies will be sacrificed for that.

I wonder... even if a lot of their core support would brand them traitors?

Probably be the swiftest end to Sinn Féin if they did go into coalition with either of Fine Gael or Fianna Fáil. I know a lot of SF supporters, and they're just so venomously anti-FF/FG, I don't think SF would survive after that. It would be to the benefit of any other left-wing party if SF did this. And as daft as some of the SF policymakers might be, I cannot see this one happening at all.

For Forks Sake

Godge wrote: »

FF/SF led by Eamonn Cuiv and Gerry Adams.

I think I've been a bit sick at that prospect.

Godge

DazMarz wrote: »

I wonder... even if a lot of their core support would brand them traitors?

Probably be the swiftest end to Sinn Féin if they did go into coalition with either of Fine Gael or Fianna Fáil. I know a lot of SF supporters, and they're just so venomously anti-FF/FG, I don't think SF would survive after that. It would be to the benefit of any other left-wing party if SF did this. And as daft as some of the SF policymakers might be, I cannot see this one happening at all.

They would be too busy celebrating Dessie Ellis or Martin Ferris as Minister for Justice.

For Forks Sake wrote: »

I think I've been a bit sick at that prospect.

Watch this space.

Muahahaha

I reckon SF will stay out of govt on the next cycle and they will hope to see a FG-FF coalition in order to keep SF out of power. A FG-FF coalition would not be good for either party and SF would build their support further and then finally enter government in 2020, but as the larger party in a coalition. I'm just speculating but think that Adams & McGuinness are very wary of entering government as a junior party having seen how the PD's, Greens and Labour have all been swallowed up by larger parties in coalition. Staying out of government in 2016 and hoping FF-FG eat each other in the meantime is probably their best strategy right now IMO.

Loafing Oaf

Muahahaha wrote: »

I reckon SF will stay out of govt on the next cycle and they will hope to see a FG-FF coalition in order to keep SF out of power. A FG-FF coalition would not be good for either party and SF would build their support further and then finally enter government in 2020, but as the larger party in a coalition. I'm just speculating but think that Adams & McGuinness are very wary of entering government as a junior party having seen how the PD's, Greens and Labour have all been swallowed up by larger parties in coalition. Staying out of government in 2016 and hoping FF-FG eat each other in the meantime is probably their best strategy right now IMO.

This is what I think will happen too. Pace Godge, I don't think SF particularly care about 'official' commemorations of 1916 and other anniversaries, AFAIK they have their own ceremonies on these occasions. That begs the question of what do they care about at this point in their history, and the answer seems to be the formation of a left-wing govt in the republic, i.e. one that does not involve FF or FG, and the approach you outline seems to be the way to make that happen.

The difficulty that may then arise is if FF refuses point blank to deal with FG, how is a government going to be formed? On whom would the onus lie to back down? If the parties went to Michael D in that scenario and he refused to dissolve the Dail, saying another election would be unlikely to change the picture significantly, what would happen? I suspect the pressure on Micheal Martin to cut a deal with Enda would become irresistible but I don't know...

Godge

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

This is what I think will happen too. Pace Godge, I don't think SF particularly care about 'official' commemorations of 1916 and other anniversaries, AFAIK they have their own ceremonies on these occasions. That begs the question of what do they care about at this point in their history, and the answer seems to be the formation of a left-wing govt in the republic, i.e. one that does not involve FF or FG, and the approach you outline seems to be the way to make that happen.

The difficulty that may then arise is if FF refuses point blank to deal with FG, how is a government going to be formed? On whom would the onus lie to back down? If the parties went to Michael D in that scenario and he refused to dissolve the Dail, saying another election would be unlikely to change the picture significantly, what would happen? I suspect the pressure on Micheal Martin to cut a deal with Enda would become irresistible but I don't know...

We can all speculate but look at the evidence, look at what SF did in the City Council

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-secures-lord-mayor-position-for-easter-2016-1.1823943

FG weren't interested in a deal for policy reasons. SF were interested in a deal for a seat on the podium.

Berserker

DazMarz wrote: »

Sinn Féin's supporters would bolt and baulk at the mere thought of going into coalition with Fianna Fáil. To Sinn Féin supporters, Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael are something akin to Satan, so I can't imagine that it will happen.

Not true. SF are desperate to get into government down here. If they want to get into power, then partnership with FF or FG is the only realistic option. As we witnessed in South Dublin last week, SF are a disaster when it comes to transfers, so I would be very surprised it they get the amount of seats that are predicated. The election last week was supposed to be theirs by a comfortable margin but they blew it. Bad mouthing Murphy was a cynical move which back fired badly on them.

Idbatterim

FF arent too dissimilar to Labour, they are a "whatever you are having yourself" party... Either way, I hope FG win the most seats, because they are the only one who will apply the breaks a bit and arent an anti work party...

Slydice

Looking more likely this weekend. Still 2 years away though.

Millward Brown poll this weekend has the FF, FG, Lab government looking likely: http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1101/656305-poll-politics/
Sinn Fein 26%, Independents/Others 23%, Fine Gael 22%, Fianna Fáil 20%, Labour 7%.

They only have 49% in that but once the voters are broken into stuff like the water charges and made fearful on unknown consequences, they'll probably get back above 50% or sure... I'm sure they can buy an independent or two :-)

Paddy Power have their odds up: http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/irish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=591647

The favourites are:
FG/FF 6/4
FG/Lab 5/2
FG/FF/Any other party(s) 11/4

I'd say that'll be a FG/FF/Lab 11/4.

Godge

Slydice wrote: »

Looking more likely this weekend. Still 2 years away though.

Millward Brown poll this weekend has the FF, FG, Lab government looking likely: http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1101/656305-poll-politics/
Sinn Fein 26%, Independents/Others 23%, Fine Gael 22%, Fianna Fáil 20%, Labour 7%.

They only have 49% in that but once the voters are broken into stuff like the water charges and made fearful on unknown consequences, they'll probably get back above 50% or sure... I'm sure they can buy an independent or two :-)

Paddy Power have their odds up: http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/irish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=591647

The favourites are:
FG/FF 6/4
FG/Lab 5/2
FG/FF/Any other party(s) 11/4

I'd say that'll be a FG/FF/Lab 11/4.

If that poll is right, a SF/FF coalition has 46%. I am sure Cuiv would do a transfer deal with MLD and that would see them home if there was an election tomorrow.

twowheelsgood

Godge wrote: »

If that poll is right, a SF/FF coalition has 46%. I am sure Cuiv would do a transfer deal with MLD and that would see them home if there was an election tomorrow.

I don't think SF would want to be in government next time around, though I'm sure many of them will be tempted by 1916.

I think they are happy to grow steadily for another few years and hope to be the senior party in government when they do go for it.

Slydice

A bankers government looking more likely after this weekend.

RTE reporting there are three new polls:
http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2014/1220/668218-latest-opinion-polls/

Polls carried out for three Sunday newspapers

They are the Sunday Business Post (Red C Poll), Sunday Times (Behaviour and Attitudes Poll) and Sunday Independent (Millward Brown Poll).

The results are:
Paper(Poll)/Party|Ind./Others|Sinn Fein|Fine Gael|Fianna Fáil|Labour
Sunday Business Post|30|24|21|19|6
Sunday Times|31|22|24|18|5
Sunday Independent|34|21|22|18|5


So FG/FF/Lab have either 46%, 47% or 45%. No problem for them to wrangle an independent or two. Surely you can you think of 1 or 2 who've "played ball" with the government in the past All they ask for is a bypass or a hospital here and there Come on, at most it'll be a casino

Paddy Power have tightened their odds on FG/FF/Any other party(s): http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/irish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=591647
The favourites are:
FG/FF/Any other party(s) 7/4
FG/FF 9/4
FF/SF 10/3

Once again, I'd say that'll be a FG/FF/Lab 7/4.

Sand

I'd find it hard to imagine Labour being involved in any significant way. They'll be a tiny fringe party after the next election. I cant see FG or FF giving up any ministerial positions to them or indulging their demands. FG and FF will find it somewhat difficult to find common ground as they'll both have an interest in defining their differences for a future election - Labour would be a bridge too far.

washman3

washman3 wrote: »

A Government comprising of FG/FF/LAB would be another God-send for the speculators and developers, and would surely spark off another almighty booze-up akin to the one they had when NAMA was formed. They simply couldn't believe their luck...:mad:

I posted this 2 months ago.
The contractor that supplied that famous Tent at the Galway Races will be delighted. His biggest problem will be securing a tent big enough when all 3 combine, as all 3 were up to their necks in the property bubble.

Will anyone seriously give Labour a mandate to be part of a Government in this country again.? If they do, then we deserve everything we get.
The other 2 will get votes from the 'usual suspects' for the foreseeable future, the semi illiterate civil war gombeens.

Slydice

Another poll. This time by Paddy Power: http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0114/672484-politics-poll/

The first Red C poll of 2015 for Paddy Power shows gains for both parties.

Thread about it here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057361777

The results are:
Paper(Poll)/Party|Ind./Others|Fine Gael|Sinn Fein|Fianna Fáil|Labour
Paddy Power Poll|29|24|21|18|8


So FG/FF/Lab have 50% bang on. No need for them to wrangle an independent or two

Paddy Power have tightened their odds (again) on FG/FF/Any other party(s): http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/irish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=591647
The favourites are:
FG/FF/Any other party(s) 11/8
FG/FF 9/4
FF/SF 5/1

Once again, I'd say that'll be a FG/FF/Lab 11/8.

First result when I search banks on google news, FG are still playing ball with them:
Michael Noonan: Strategy for dealing with banks is working
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/michael-noonan-strategy-for-dealing-with-banks-is-working-1.2062113

At the very least, the State should recover all of the money it has invested so far
Mon, Jan 12, 2015, 00:02
First published: Mon, Jan 12, 2015, 00:02
The overarching objective of the banking strategy I set out in March 2011 was to have a functioning, stable banking system operating in support of the Irish economy and to reduce the cost of the banking bailout to the Irish taxpayer.

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A different headline at the moment
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BoJack Horseman

Slydice wrote: »

A different headline at the moment

At the moment?

Godge

Slydice wrote: »

Another poll. This time by Paddy Power: http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0114/672484-politics-poll/


Thread about it here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057361777

The results are:
Paper(Poll)/Party|Ind./Others|Fine Gael|Sinn Fein|Fianna Fáil|Labour
Paddy Power Poll|29|24|21|18|8


So FG/FF/Lab have 50% bang on. No need for them to wrangle an independent or two

Paddy Power have tightened their odds (again) on FG/FF/Any other party(s): http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/irish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=591647
The favourites are:
FG/FF/Any other party(s) 11/8
FG/FF 9/4
FF/SF 5/1

Once again, I'd say that'll be a FG/FF/Lab 11/8.

I would be interested in FG/Lab/Greens at 22/1 or what wasn't included which was FG/Lab/Independents (not SF/FF)