recession over?

davemc180

do you think were on the way up at the min?

see the news weekly saying the live register is dropping but I don't see for example: town a few year back tower cranes and building sites everywhere. still nothing about now even though claims suggest?

so have you been out of work and recently been employed?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

To be honest, and not to belittle those who have been out of work, I've had no problem finding jobs during the recession. Clearly one of the lucky ones.

Opposite actually. Got let go Friday, signed on on Monday and had the dreaded appointment with the socail this morning.

Jhcx

Its all in the mind Ted. Were not going anywhere. give it another 20 years and we'll be in the new celtic tiger after the next recession. now are ya coming to the local for a few?

davemc180

I don't get it myself.. fair enough there people who it has not effected but a lot are out of work.

I work in a random sales job at the minute but im a electrician.. a lot of my friends are tradesmen chippys plumbers etc and we all work in different jobs to get by.

recession is still blatent in my eyes that's why I was asking

Sir Arthur Daley

Plenty of work for track machine operators.

Doff

Have a child, claim loan parents and enjoy the 600 a week you get. Who needs a job in this country with the SW benefits. Don't worry us workers will keep you covered.

Sir Arthur Daley

Doff wrote: »

Have a child, claim loan parents and enjoy the 600 a week you get. Who needs a job in this country with the SW benefits. Don't worry us workers will keep you covered.

The Rock and Roll.

Esel

Doff wrote: »

Have a child, claim loan parents and enjoy the 600 a week you get. Who needs a job in this country with the SW benefits. Don't worry us workers will keep you covered.

Any chance of a lone? :pac:

foggy_lad

Only a small proportion of the population are actually feeling the pain of the recession I think. Those who left school with no leaving cert to work on building sites for €800 a week and who are now unable to get a job in tescos without their leaving cert, others who spent much more than they had because they thought the work was never ending and the good times were here forever, others who figured on their dodgey investments making them rich etc etc.

The reality is most people that saved and lived a good but frugal life during the boom are still very much on the pigs back while those who gambled and lost everything are blaming everyone they can for their own poor decisions and money management.


There has been no real recession until mortgage interest rates go above 15% like they did in the 80s.

Oranage2

foggy_lad wrote: »

Only a small proportion of the population are actually feeling the pain of the recession I think. Those who left school with no leaving cert to work on building sites for €800 a week and who are now unable to get a job in tescos without their leaving cert, others who spent much more than they had because they thought the work was never ending and the good times were here forever, others who figured on their dodgey investments making them rich etc etc.

The reality is most people that saved and lived a good but frugal life during the boom are still very much on the pigs back while those who gambled and lost everything are blaming everyone they can for their own poor decisions and money management.


There has been no real recession until mortgage interest rates go above 15% like they did in the 80s.

If they can't lie on their CV about a leaving cert then they really are in trouble.


I'd also no problem finding jobs in the recession from chugging to call centres. Again I wouldn't belittle anyone out of work but I wouldn't have much sympathy either.

Specialun

Doff wrote: »

Have a child, claim loan parents and enjoy the 600 a week you get. Who needs a job in this country with the SW benefits. Don't worry us workers will keep you covered.

And were off

Antar Bolaeisk

Nah it's just all those people who emigrated during the Big R coming back home now to buy all the land and property with their foreign millions with the intent of renting it back to all the true patriots who stayed to brave the hardships.

jacksie66

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mcko

Everyone seems to forget about the mountain of national debt we still owe. The public service are looking for pay rises when we borrow millions to pay them and their pensions. We may be getting out of recession but we are still in to much debt.

cletus van damme

It's not over by a long shot. More people back at work means little in reality. There is no evidence those jobs pay much and are giving people a quality of life.
I believe the sky news phrase is 'working poor'.
There seems to be more people back at work but are they decent positions with pay and prospects? ? Not really.

It beggars belief the recent reports that a.lot of the army are claiming FIS. State employees not being paid enough so as to claim welfare is a damping statistic.

mcko

mcko wrote: »

Everyone seems to forget about the mountain of national debt we still owe. The public service are looking for pay rises when we borrow millions to pay them and their pensions. We may be getting out of recession but we are still in to much debt.

More correctly, our children's debt! The amounts owed and the low inflation rates mean that the huge debts will remain a heavy burden for generations to come.

We have turned the corner in the sense that previously every period of growth exceeded the previous growth/recession cycle, now every recession cycle will result in a decline lower than the previous recession.

In other words this growth cycle will be fairly timid and will be followed by another recession that will result in us being poorer than at the end of the last recession.

Buona Fortuna

davemc180 wrote: »

do you think were on the way up at the min?

Hey OP where have you been.

We're so far on the way up that we've nearly started the bext crash.

JustAddWater

Doff wrote: »

Have a child, claim loan parents and enjoy the 600 a week you get. Who needs a job in this country with the SW benefits. Don't worry us workers will keep you covered.

Esel wrote: »

Any chance of a lone? :pac:

Lone parents?

Streetwalker

Doff wrote: »

Have a child, claim loan parents and enjoy the 600 a week you get. Who needs a job in this country with the SW benefits. Don't worry us workers will keep you covered.

Only 7 posts in also. Impressive.

KomradeBishop

Japan's 'Lost Two Decade's since its financial crisis in 1990, where they have had long-term economic stagnation which is still ongoing, is what we're in for.

Unless the course of politics and economic practice in Europe changes drastically (which Germany is unlikely to allow), we'll be in a spot like this for decades - and there's a not-insignificant chance our economy will crater significantly for a number of years, if a Euro exit happens - but long term that may be our better option, if Europe doesn't change.

So yep, still screwed, and it will be a very long time before we see an actual recovery; the best judge of a true recovery, will be full employment - so long as it's not based on another asset bubble.

Chucken

Snotaul Goodman wrote: »

Opposite actually. Got let go Friday, signed on on Monday and had the dreaded appointment with the socail this morning.

Was let go this evening. I knew it was coming but it doesn't make it any easier.
I'm in bits already with worry

yipeeeee

People really don't have it all that bad in this country.

Some wonder why there is no rioting.

See above.

smellmepower

Live register always goes down in September, people go back to college on BTEA, VTOS etc, or get sent on FAS courses. Farcical Gateway scheme (Gateway back to the dole in 22 months) took on nearly a hundred in our local council too, which is probably true for most of the others.

There's still a massive queue outside the post and SW office every morning when I pass it on the bus and minimum wage is still bullshít in comparison to the cost of living and rents.

everdead.ie

smellmepower wrote: »

Live register always goes down in September, people go back to college on BTEA, VTOS etc, or get sent on FAS courses. Farcical Gateway scheme (Gateway back to the dole in 22 months) took on nearly a hundred in our local council too, which is probably true for most of the others.

There's still a massive queue outside the post and SW office every morning when I pass it on the bus and minimum wage is still bullshít in comparison to the cost of living and rents.

The live register has been falling for over two consecutive years. Its fairly obvious that things are going in the right direction and our minimum wage is actually quite good although rent is high in some areas especially around Dublin.

Long way to go though another three to four years of getting people into work ahead of us.

Highflyer13

yipeeeee wrote: »

People really don't have it all that bad in this country.

Some wonder why there is no rioting.

See above.

We have it bad in this country. One of the worst in any western country. Look at the state of the HSE and the housing crisis not to mention tons of other stuff. Cronyism, crime, IW, the absolute pillaging of the hard working middle class through various stealth taxes etc...

yipeeeee

Highflyer13 wrote: »

We have it bad in this country. One of the worst in any western country. Look at the state of the HSE and the housing crisis not to mention tons of other stuff. Cronyism, crime, IW, the absolute pillaging of the hard working middle class through various stealth taxes etc...

Last time I checked there was 54 people sleeping on the streets.

Yeah we have it real bad.

doc11

cletus van damme wrote: »

It beggars belief the recent reports that a.lot of the army are claiming FIS. State employees not being paid enough so as to claim welfare is a damping statistic.

A soldier earning 52k with 3 children could receive FIS and that's excluding the 4kish of child benefit he would receive, hardly what i'd call proverty. How much do you pay people to do jobs with little educational need and limited public need on a day to day basis.

KERSPLAT!

Snotaul Goodman wrote: »

Opposite actually. Got let go Friday, signed on on Monday and had the dreaded appointment with the socail this morning.

Chucken wrote: »

Was let go this evening. I knew it was coming but it doesn't make it any easier.
I'm in bits already with worry

I hope ye get something sorted soon. I know myself how hard it is getting let go. I was out of work for about a year and decided to go back to college, managed to pick up a part time job to keep me going and just started my 3rd in college. Already worried that there won't be anything at the end of it

As for the recession, I honestly haven't a clue. I searched and searched for jobs over the summer relevant to either of the fields I've studied/am studying in and got no where, probably the lack of experience that killed me off. The part time job is keeping me afloat for now but just barely.

everdead.ie

everdead.ie wrote: »

The live register has been falling for over two consecutive years. Its fairly obvious that things are going in the right direction and our minimum wage is actually quite good although rent is high in some areas especially around Dublin.

Long way to go though another three to four years of getting people into work ahead of us.

Like emigration you mean, yes there have been an improvement but in the main a huge percentage of the population are worse off than they were a decade ago. The exception appears to be young people in decent jobs who didn't buy property during the "boom", their disposable income is relatively high.

My name is URL

Eddie Hobbs has an ad on the radio atm so it must be.

homerjay2005

in Dublin - perhaps.

in the rest of the country? no.

the majority of the small towns and villages are on their knees.

_Brian

homerjay2005 wrote: »

in Dublin - perhaps.

in the rest of the country? no.

the majority of the small towns and villages are on their knees.

This.
From Cavan here and every town is seeing shops close on a weekly basis. Anyone getting work has to travel to Drogheda/Dublin.

Not enough or any effort being made to ensure jobs are grown nationwide.

Chucken

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I hope ye get something sorted soon. I know myself how hard it is getting let go. I was out of work for about a year and decided to go back to college, managed to pick up a part time job to keep me going and just started my 3rd in college. Already worried that there won't be anything at the end of it

As for the recession, I honestly haven't a clue. I searched and searched for jobs over the summer relevant to either of the fields I've studied/am studying in and got no where, probably the lack of experience that killed me off. The part time job is keeping me afloat for now but just barely.

15 rejections so far in the past 2 weeks. And these were all minimum wage jobs.

Chucken

yipeeeee wrote: »

Last time I checked there was 54 people sleeping on the streets.

Yeah we have it real bad.

I'd love to know where you came up with that figure.

Ronin247

Chucken wrote: »

Was let go this evening. I knew it was coming but it doesn't make it any easier.
I'm in bits already with worry

AH response

Get a job you scrounger, stop living off the rest of us.





























Real response

Best of luck with the jobseeking

yipeeeee

Chucken wrote: »

I'd love to know where you came up with that figure.

Sorry 87 in 2012.

Assuming it's gone up or gone down it wouldn't be by much.

In the grand scheme of things that's such a low figure.

People really don't have it that bad if there is 400,000 people on welfare but they all have a roof over their head.

Chucken

yipeeeee wrote: »

Sorry 87 in 2012.

Assuming it's gone up or gone down it wouldn't be by much.

In the grand scheme of things that's such a low figure.

People really don't have it that bad if there is 400,000 people on welfare but they all have a roof over their head.

87? Where was this?

yipeeeee

Chucken wrote: »

87? Where was this?

https://www.focusireland.ie/about-homelessness/understanding-homelessness/how-many-people-are-homeless

Holsten

I'm still broke and taxed up the ass so no change here!

DeanAustin

Highflyer13 wrote: »

We have it bad in this country. One of the worst in any western country. Look at the state of the HSE and the housing crisis not to mention tons of other stuff. Cronyism, crime, IW, the absolute pillaging of the hard working middle class through various stealth taxes etc...

Ah look, things aren't perfect but this is such a load of hyperbolic nonsense.

Cronyism? Yeah coz no other country has that sort of thing. FG and Labour aren't even that bad if you look past the headlines.

Crime? Not going to bother looking up the stats but crime-wise, we don't have it nearly as bad as most western countries.

Water Charges? We're one of the last developed countries to charge for water.

HSE? Try getting sick in America and see how you go.

Chucken

yipeeeee wrote: »

https://www.focusireland.ie/about-homelessness/understanding-homelessness/how-many-people-are-homeless

Did you even read that?
Focus Ireland estimates that there are up to 5,000 people at any one time who are homeless in Ireland.

yipeeeee

Chucken wrote: »

Did you even read that?
Focus Ireland estimates that there are up to 5,000 people at any one time who are homeless in Ireland.

Did you even read it?

I said sleeping on the streets in my first post.

Read that link again. 87 people sleeping on the streets not 5000.

Saipanne

I've been popping the Bolly in Cafe in Seine for quite some time now.

We're back, baby!!!

Chucken

yipeeeee wrote: »

Did you even read it?

I said sleeping on the streets in my first post.

Read that link again. 87 people sleeping on the streets not 5000.

In Dublin centre probably. What about the rest of the country?
I live in a small town of approx 1000 people and there are 3 people I know of sleeping rough.
I know 2 families that have been split up due to unemployment and reduction in RA. Thats 4 parents and 5 children that are sleeping on couches in other peoples homes.

yipeeeee

Chucken wrote: »

In Dublin centre probably. What about the rest of the country?
I live in a small town of approx 1000 people and there are 3 people I know of sleeping rough.
I know 2 families that have been split up due to unemployment and reduction in RA. Thats 4 parents and 5 children that are sleeping on couches in other peoples homes.

Listen the figures are there.

Yes people may be scraping to make ends meet but the whole country bar 100 or so people sleep every night with a roof over their head.

All I'm saying is its not as bad as people like to make out.

doc11

yipeeeee wrote: »

Sorry 87 in 2012.


People really don't have it that bad if there is 400,000 people on welfare but they all have a roof over their head.

When you include pensioners and the various disability and lone parents payments and there are far more than 400,000 dependent on welfare.

yipeeeee

doc11 wrote: »

When you include pensioners and the various disability and lone parents payments and there are far more than 400,000 dependent on welfare.

Thank you, proves my point even more.

Chucken

yipeeeee wrote: »

All I'm saying is its not as bad as people like to make out.

I hope that sentence never comes back to bite you.

Highflyer13

DeanAustin wrote: »

Ah look, things aren't perfect but this is such a load of hyperbolic nonsense.

Cronyism? Yeah coz no other country has that sort of thing. FG and Labour aren't even that bad if you look past the headlines.

Crime? Not going to bother looking up the stats but crime-wise, we don't have it nearly as bad as most western countries.

Water Charges? We're one of the last developed countries to charge for water.

HSE? Try getting sick in America and see how you go.

So cronyism is alright then in your book? McNulty up for Seanad nomination was fair game? A FG TD hiring his gf as paliamentry assistant on a 50k salary is grand sure.

Have you had any dealings with the HSE lately or been in A&E? Obviously not. That is actually my main gripe with this government. Under FG/Lab a already bad health system has got far worse.

Tarzana

foggy_lad wrote: »

Only a small proportion of the population are actually feeling the pain of the recession I think. Those who left school with no leaving cert to work on building sites for €800 a week and who are now unable to get a job in tescos without their leaving cert, others who spent much more than they had because they thought the work was never ending and the good times were here forever, others who figured on their dodgey investments making them rich etc etc.

The reality is most people that saved and lived a good but frugal life during the boom are still very much on the pigs back while those who gambled and lost everything are blaming everyone they can for their own poor decisions and money management.


There has been no real recession until mortgage interest rates go above 15% like they did in the 80s.

This is incredibly black and white. And the recession hasn't been kind to those who left college or school just as or after the recession hit. As well as anyone who lost their job later in life because of it. Others sectors were hit too, not just construction.