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Christmas Bonus back on the table for pensioners?

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    Robbo
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    Yes, but only linked to productivity improvements. They'll have to produce 14% more meandering anecdotes and spend 8% more time holding up the queue in the Post Office.


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    Tar.Aldarion
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    Demonique wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/budget-2015-christmas-bonus-for-pensioners-back-on-the-table-30647567.html


    So it's back on the table for pensioners but not for any of the other people who used to receive it? What about people on Disability Allowance? It could it argued that the disabled are amongst the most vulnerable people in society? Disability Benefit? People in receipt of Carer's Allowance? People on Job Seekers?

    Pensioners vote in large numbers, they also always do so and of course will vote according to their interest.

    The government are less interested in helping those in need than that.


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    cloud493
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    Could be. Or it could be the usual set of budget rumours to insulate us, so when the actual budget is released, we all think its 'not that bad' compared to the rumours.


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    AnonoBoy
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    Robbo wrote: »
    Yes, but only linked to productivity improvements. They'll have to produce 14% more meandering anecdotes and spend 8% more time holding up the queue in the Post Office.

    Werther's Original sales will need to see a rise too before I'd be happy with any sort of OAP bonus scheme.


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    oceanman
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    Demonique wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/budget-2015-christmas-bonus-for-pensioners-back-on-the-table-30647567.html


    So it's back on the table for pensioners but not for any of the other people who used to receive it? What about people on Disability Allowance? It could it argued that the disabled are amongst the most vulnerable people in society? Disability Benefit? People in receipt of Carer's Allowance? People on Job Seekers?
    agree, why give to one group of people and not the others?..


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    0byme75341jo28
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    They'll be dead soon anyway.


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    #8
    Mr. Incognito
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    Considering Most People Die in January

    Windfall!


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    mug_holder
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    pensioners had no recession compared to the majority of people , a few reductions in phone rental allowance and a cut in the fuel allowance during months when the weather isnt even cold , the old age pension rate remained untouched

    an utterly depressing move , FG are only marginally less populist than FF


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    Generic Dreadhead
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    mug_holder wrote: »
    pensioners had no recession compared to the majority of people

    *Grabs Popcorn*


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    Berserker
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    mug_holder wrote: »
    pensioners had no recession compared to the majority of people , a few reductions in phone rental allowance and a cut in the fuel allowance during months when the weather isnt even cold , the old age pension rate remained untouched

    an utterly depressing move , FG are only marginally less populist than FF

    All will be taken care of w.r.t. to freebies, with the exception of the people who actually footed the bill, i.e. middle and upper class workers. It might be populist but it is an accurate reflection of just how shallow politics is. This will earn FG votes in the next election. If they didn't do this FF, ULA, SF etc would use it as a vote catcher themselves.


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    mug_holder
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    Berserker wrote: »
    All will be taken care of w.r.t. to freebies, with the exception of the people who actually footed the bill, i.e. middle and upper class workers. It might be populist but it is an accurate reflection of just how shallow politics is. This will earn FG votes in the next election. If they didn't do this FF, ULA, SF etc would use it as a vote catcher themselves.

    this is worse than restoring public sector pay rates as pensioners suffered no cuts during the recession , the old age pension is almost double what it is in the uk and the uk views their state pension as unsustainable going forward

    awarding pensioners an xmas bonus undoes good work which was done during the recession in terms of instilling an attitude of fiscal rectitude


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    0byme75341jo28
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    If we killed everyone then we wouldn't have to spend any money.


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    mug_holder
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    Nickolas Slimy Pepperoni wrote: »
    If we killed everyone then we wouldn't have to spend any money.

    better still , if you pay me a million for magic seeds , i promise it will produce a billion euro per year and you can throw it around like confetti

    see , saying stupid things is fun


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    Berserker
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    Nickolas Slimy Pepperoni wrote: »
    If we killed everyone then we wouldn't have to spend any money.

    What a sensible and mature point .......................


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    0byme75341jo28
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    I can say stupid things too.

    Conservatism.


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    imitation
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    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Pensioners vote in large numbers, they also always do so and of course will vote according to their interest.

    The government are less interested in helping those in need than that.

    You would wonder why they bother. FG will get wrecked next election, FF will be back in and then it will be bonuses and pay rises all over the shop until it goes off the rails again..


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    Berserker
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    Nickolas Slimy Pepperoni wrote: »
    I can say stupid things too.

    Conservatism. Socialism

    Fixed that for you.


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    0byme75341jo28
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Fixed that for you. I didn't fix that for you.

    Fixed that for you.


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    mikom
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    Vote catching.

    Don't be fooled, Grandpa Mikom.


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    RobertKK
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    The government would be better off removing the levy they have on private pensions, which is nothing more than state theft. A tax on money that has already been taxed.
    Then they want people to take out private pensions...


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    Berserker
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    The government would be better off removing the levy they have on private pensions, which is nothing more than state theft. A tax on money that has already been taxed.
    Then they want people to take out private pensions...

    That would be a smart thing to do but they would be ripped to shreds for doing it. It would be a political error and a half. You have to remember that people who have private pensions are "wealthy". Ditto for the people who have the cheek of being prudent enough to put a few lousy grand in the bank instead of wasting it on god knows what.


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    Mrs Garth Brooks
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    Is this to get their votes?

    They should increase the dole for under 25s since they're going to make them do courses and force them into job bridge work for 40 hours a week.

    Shower of basterds.


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    Chucken
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    mug_holder wrote: »
    pensioners had no recession compared to the majority of people , a few reductions in phone rental allowance and a cut in the fuel allowance during months when the weather isnt even cold , the old age pension rate remained untouched

    an utterly depressing move , FG are only marginally less populist than FF

    They've gone through more shit than you will ever go through.


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    Turtyturd
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    Good move to buy votes, will probably see a pension increase in the following budget too, but as has been said there are other people relying on welfare who have been hit a lot harder the past few years that the extra money would make a bigger difference to.


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    Roger_007
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    The government would be better off removing the levy they have on private pensions, which is nothing more than state theft. A tax on money that has already been taxed.
    Then they want people to take out private pensions...

    They should tax the money that the pension companies cream off from the contributions instead.


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    mug_holder
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    Chucken wrote: »
    They've gone through more shit than you will ever go through.

    you know nothing about me


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    Skylinehead
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    Chucken wrote: »
    They've gone through more shit than you will ever go through.

    Doesn't change the fact that there's people who've been squeezed far more than pensioners this time around, who need this sort of thing much more.


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    hmmm
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    They should tax the money that the pension companies cream off from the contributions instead.
    The levy already costs more than the companies charge.

    And I agree with the above posters, if this payment does happen it is purely a cynical political stunt using taxpayers money.


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    woodoo
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    Its quite depressing that they are going down this route again. There is also talk of reintroducing it for welfare recipients. As far as the OAP's are concerned they have sailed through this recession virtually untouched.


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    In Lonesome Dove
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    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Doesn't change the fact that there's people who've been squeezed far more than pensioners this time around, who need this sort of thing much more.

    Also there are pensioners in other countries that aren't pitied as much as the Irish pensioners. Any time there was even an attempt to cut or chop from them poor stories go rolling about the place and to be quite honest it is just manipulative bullsh1t. Can they not pay for their fuel? Their own TV licence?


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