Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Billy86

Pro. F wrote: »

Coleman had full defensive responsibilities under Moyes. Ivanavic and Zabaleta didn't look defensively superior to Coleman at that time. Martinez's management prevents his players from looking good defensively.

There are two minor problems with this argument: he didn't, and they did.

Pro. F

Billy86 wrote: »

There are two minor problems with this argument: he didn't, and they did.

We're not going to agree so might as well just leave it there.

Billy86

Pro. F wrote: »

We're not going to agree so might as well just leave it there.

Business as usual then.

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Donnielighto

Pro. F wrote: »

The first problem with that goal was Shelvey pushing up field and then not getting back quick enough, leaving Britton to cover too much space. Then Fernandez didn't tuck in behind Williams when he came out to the ball, if he had he would have been in the area where Lallana received the one-two. Then Shelvey stopped dead instead of chasing Lallana who was running off the back of Britton, although Shelvey probably wouldn't have gotten there, he still should have been trying. Britton didn't do anything wrong on that goal.

While he's not completely at fault you can't say he did nothing wrong. He shouldn't have stepped out of the defensive line when he did. Once he created that gap the rest of the backline were all over the shop trying to close the gap he left behind. He made a major mistake for the goal. As you say though there are other culprits too, shelvey mainly from what i can see as he just stood there and watched. If britton had stayed where he was there would have been time for other players to cover across as there would still have been some structure.

Al Capwned

On the subject of right backs, what's peoples thoughts on Clyne?

I love Rafa, and still think that if he can get fit and stay fit, there'll be very few better than him.

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Oh and someone asked about Seamus Colemans club history - he had a couple of seasons with Sligo Rovers before signing for Everton 4 or 5 years ago.

Pro. F

Donnielighto wrote: »

While he's not completely at fault you can't say he did nothing wrong. He shouldn't have stepped out of the defensive line when he did. Once he created that gap the rest of the backline were all over the shop trying to close the gap he left behind. He made a major mistake for the goal. As you say though there are other culprits too, shelvey mainly from what i can see as he just stood there and watched. If britton had stayed where he was there would have been time for other players to cover across as there would still have been some structure.

I don't get what you're talking about saying he stepped out. Maybe tell me the exact time on the video that it happens (or the exact time on the game clock if that's simpler).

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Stats for the calendar year: http://www.squawka.com/news/man-utds-2014-in-numbers/261510

adox

Anyway lads and lassies happy new year to all. What a difference from this time 12 months ago.

The continuos injury crisis is the real major concern but I honestly believe we are in more than a safe pair of hands with Van Gaal.

2015 is going to be an exciting year for Manchester United and that really makes me happy(in a football context!)

Donnielighto

Pro. F wrote: »

I don't get what you're talking about saying he stepped out. Maybe tell me the exact time on the video that it happens (or the exact time on the game clock if that's simpler).

Sorry stepped up is probably better. 5.24 in the clip. I think he was rash moving that quickly.

kryogen

Spazdarn wrote: »

There's also the fact that Rafael almost guarantees a yellow every game, and also the added fear of a red.

Coleman is definitely better.

Honestly, posts like this should be card worthy at this stage

kryogen

Al Capwned wrote: »

On the subject of right backs, what's peoples thoughts on Clyne?

I love Rafa, and still think that if he can get fit and stay fit, there'll be very few better than him.

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Oh and someone asked about Seamus Colemans club history - he had a couple of seasons with Sligo Rovers before signing for Everton 4 or 5 years ago.

I think its a shame we didn't get him when linked a couple of years ago, going to be great I think, very good already and can play left back also.

Gits_bone

kryogen wrote: »

Honestly, posts like this should be card worthy at this stage

I think people confuse the "always gets a yellow card" and the "can't trust him".

Take for instance the Leicester game, he was fouled. But he lost his head and gave the ref a chance of giving a peno.

niallo27

adox wrote: »

Anyway lads and lassies happy new year to all. What a difference from this time 12 months ago.

The continuos injury crisis is the real major concern but I honestly believe we are in more than a safe pair of hands with Van Gaal.

2015 is going to be an exciting year for Manchester United and that really makes me happy(in a football context!)

Well technically speaking 12 months ago utd were closer to the top than they are now.

Lord TSC

niallo27 wrote: »

Well technically speaking 12 months ago utd were closer to the top than they are now.

I keep seeing this being brought up (and usually by Pool fans too), but it's fairly obvious that things are in a far, far better state than this time last year. I'd argue it's the fact things are obviously on the up for United (and on the down for Pool) that provides the reason Pool fans want to continually cling onto that one "negative" reading of the stats :P

niallo27

Lord TSC wrote: »

I keep seeing this being brought up (and usually by Pool fans too), but it's fairly obvious that things are in a far, far better state than this time last year. I'd argue it's the fact things are obviously on the up for United (and on the down for Pool) that provides the reason Pool fans want to continually cling onto that one "negative" reading of the stats :P

It is a fairly important stat in fairness. There is no doubt utd are in a better place but it's seens Van Gal can do no wrong.

Will I Amnt

niallo27 wrote: »

Well technically speaking 12 months ago utd were closer to the top than they are now.

I'd rather finish 10 points behind the leaders in third than 8 points behind in 6th.
That's the bit that really matters.

niallo27

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I'd rather finish 10 points behind the leaders in third than 8 points behind in 6th.
That's the bit that really matters.

True true.

Will I Amnt

niallo27 wrote: »

True true.

It's always position over points, the league varies in difficulty each season, there's not much point comparing the points. Liverpool would have won the league many a season with last years tally but it counts for f*ck all when it's not enough in the season you just finished.

kryogen

Gits_bone wrote: »

I think people confuse the "always gets a yellow card" and the "can't trust him".

Take for instance the Leicester game, he was fouled. But he lost his head and gave the ref a chance of giving a peno.

Great, take for instance some other game, where something happened, and something something.

Also, consider the time something nearly happened, but then it didn't.....but it could have, thats the important thing to remember, it could have.

kryogen

niallo27 wrote: »

It is a fairly important stat in fairness. There is no doubt utd are in a better place but it's seens Van Gal can do no wrong.

Its not actually, at no point last season did we see a 9 game stretch in the league that brought in 7 wins and 2 draws and considering we are in 3rd spot this season and given the blistering start Chelsea had compared the point difference right now is hardly hugely important.

If it seems 'Louis' can do no wrong I think you should probably read more of the thread?

adox

niallo27 wrote: »

Well technically speaking 12 months ago utd were closer to the top than they are now.

Christ even when I'm trying to wish people a happy new year and a brief few words on Utd you have to chirp in with a nothing comment looking for a rise.

Pretty sad.

niallo27

kryogen wrote: »

Its not actually, at no point last season did we see a 9 game stretch in the league that brought in 7 wins and 2 draws and considering we are in 3rd spot this season and given the blistering start Chelsea had compared the point difference right now is hardly hugely important.

If it seems 'Louis' can do no wrong I think you should probably read more of the thread?

A club like utd should always judge themselves on how close they are to winning the title.

niallo27

adox wrote: »

Christ even when I'm trying to wish people a happy new year and a brief few words on Utd you have to chirp in with a nothing comment looking for a rise.

Pretty sad.

You are right. Have a good night.

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niallo27 wrote: »

A club like utd should always judge themselves on how close they are to winning the title.

Opposed to a club who judge themselves on how close they are to 4th.

kryogen

niallo27 wrote: »

A club like utd should always judge themselves on how close they are to winning the title.

Yes, which will only be known at the end of the season, so like I said, its a pretty meaningless point you made, and considering 3rd is closer to top then 6th........................................................................................................well................

niallo27

zerks wrote: »

Opposed to a club who judge themselves on how close they are to 4th.

Yes your right. Expectations are different. Some clubs are happy to stay up.

irishfeen

2 naggins are enough .. happy New Years lads n ladies ... United 4ever!.. 21 here we come.

Do we know when Di Maria is going to be fit again?

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Bryson Delightful Ruler wrote: »

Do we know when Di Maria is going to be fit again?

Looks like the FA cup game according to LVG.