2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

TheDoctor

Nothing contradictory there.

Assuming you've never punched someone and surrounded by your friends said "I want to hit X" - no one in the group assumes you mean verbally, a normal thinking person assumes correctly you mean physically.

This is what has happened in this instance.


Looking at his personality, he's a simple angry man who doesn't mince his words. Using terminology like hit and punch to mean anything other then physical is far too subtle for him.

Christy42

RobertKK wrote: »

Yet the link says: Trump often uses the term "hit" to mean verbally attack, rather than physical contact.

Isn't that what they all do?They are politically campaigning, each side is always hitting the other side.

Even taking that point he admits he is rattled. He says he wakes up wanting to hit them back even though he knows it is a bad idea. He felt belittled all he wants to do is attack back whether or not it is a bad idea. The democratic convention got under his skin. How well will he do in a debate when there is no one to hold him back and the Democrats can set him off at their whim like a puppet. Even worse foreign leaders know he is easy to antagonise if he went on to win the presidency,

Hillary had the line that a man you can bait with a tweet cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons. It seems like a good point. He is driven by his ego which appears to rather fragile.

RobertKK

TheDoctor wrote: »

Nothing contradictory there.

Assuming you've never punched someone and surrounded by your friends said "I want to hit X" - no one in the group assumes you mean verbally, a normal thinking person assumes correctly you mean physically.

This is what has happened in this instance.

Yet the article says it is verbally hit, not physically hit.

The Democrat's Washington Post did an article on. Wikileaks showed the paper is directly influenced by the DNC, did an article on, they also agree with CNN, and say Trump hits people with lawsuits not physical violence.

I just think people really want to feel self-justified when it comes to Trump.

No one dealt with how Hillary always supported the option of war and bombing as Senator and Secretary of State, when I posed the questions yesterday.
Now that is really hitting people, and her support for actions have killed many hundreds of thousands of people in needless wars.

TheDoctor

RobertKK wrote: »

Yet the article says it is verbally hit, not physically hit.

The Democrat's Washington Post did an article on. Wikileaks showed the paper is directly influenced by the DNC, did an article on, they also agree with CNN, and say Trump hits people with lawsuits not physical violence.

I just think people really want to feel self-justified when it comes to Trump.

No one dealt with how Hillary always supported the option of war and bombing as Senator and Secretary of State, when I posed the questions yesterday.
Now that is really hitting people, and her support for actions have killed many hundreds of thousands of people in needless wars.

When Trump said he wanted to punch the protester at his event in the face, do you think he meant verbally?

PopePalpatine

Just a friendly reminder that Trump did an AMA in the neo-fascist safe space that is /r/the_donald.

Suryavarman

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Just a friendly reminder that Trump did an AMA in the neo-fascist safe space that is /r/the_donald.

And gave pathetic, substance-free answers to a few questions hand-picked by the mods. A joke of an AMA for a joke of a candidate.

Dohnjoe

RobertKK wrote: »

Now that is really hitting people, and her support for actions have killed many hundreds of thousands of people in needless wars.

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She was fairly in line with Obama

Sometimes intervention has prevented hundreds of thousands of potential deaths (Yugoslavia, Ivory Coast) other times it has directly and indirectly caused more suffering and deaths (Iraq, Afghanistan)

20/20 hindsight is the easy part, politicians have to make complex decisions based on live fluid situations. Trump has never had any experience of that

She's proven she can handle it, whereas Trump is a complete unknown, he hasn't even had theoretical experience

If this is a job interview for the most important job in the world, one of the candidates has almost zero experience and arguably low aptitude for the actual skills required

RobertKK

Dohnjoe wrote: »

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She was fairly in line with Obama

Sometimes intervention has prevented hundreds of thousands of potential deaths (Yugoslavia, Ivory Coast) other times it has directly and indirectly caused more suffering and deaths (Iraq, Afghanistan)

20/20 hindsight is the easy part, politicians have to make complex decisions based on live fluid situations. Trump has never had any experience of that

She's proven she can handle it, whereas Trump is a complete unknown, he hasn't even had theoretical experience

If this is a job interview for the most important job in the world, one of the candidates has almost zero experience and arguably low aptitude for the actual skills required

She was not in line with Obama.

On Iraq:
Obama: Against invasion
Hillary: For invasion.

On Libya:
Obama: Against bombing but then changed to what Hillary wanted, and quite angry at how it turned out.
Hillary: For and the loudest cheerleader, laughed at Gaddafi being killed where he was sodomised by knife before he was eventually shot dead.

On Syria:
Obama: Against bombing and he said he is proud of his decision.
Hillary: For bombing Assad out of power, criticised Obama for not bombing Assad out of power.

Last night she was making out she was safe pair of hands.
Then when she talked about putting a mark on the world, I thought you sure did with Libya, and then she talked about 'lighting up the world', could only think of her with the nuclear codes.
Her record is she loves using the military.
Obama far far more sensible than destructive Hillary.

ebbsy

Hillary also lost a lot of states to Sanders.

Wonder how popular she really is.

Jimbob1977

As of today, my gut feeling is that Clinton would beat Trump by 55% to 45% of the vote.

For Trump to win, he needs one of two things to happen:

1) Trump must land a devastating blow in the televised debates. Hillary needs to remain calm and professional.

If she engages in a playground slanging match, he could force a mistake. If she emerges from the debates intact, she will win.

2) A release of embarrassing documents from WikiLeaks. The stuff would have to be really bad

Suryavarman

In an interview today Mike Pence said that he believes name calling has no place in politics in response to Obama calling Trump a demagogue. Post-truth politics really is quite the spectacle.

TheDoctor

Suryavarman wrote: »

In an interview today Mike Pence said that he believes name calling has no place in politics in response to Obama calling Trump a demagogue. Post-truth politics really is quite the spectacle.

That really is an hilarious statement

Billy86

ebbsy wrote: »

Hillary also lost a lot of states to Sanders.

Wonder how popular she really is.

Not overly, Sanders was supposed to have cake-walked the election if he got the nomination and Biden would probably have done the same. Clinton was typically seen as beating Trump, but by a considerably smaller margin than Sanders would have.

LostinKildare

Brian? wrote: »

I doubt it. He'll withdraw into a shell and defend IMO.

I may be way off though, it's what any sane candidate would do.

Sorry, more constructively: I don't think Trump is able to withdraw and defend. You are right that that is what a sane candidate would do; I honestly don't believe that Trump is sane. Schwartz said in the New Yorker story that Trump is a sociopath. The Atlantic discusses the issue and makes a compelling case for Narcissistic Personality Disorder and/or Antisocial Personality Disorder, which are the closest things to psychopathy or sociopathy in the DSM (as "psychopathy" and "sociopathy" are not formal psychiatric diagnoses).

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/trump-and-sociopathy/491966/

Over and over he has exposed this huge weakness, and I believe the Dems will exploit it to push him over the edge. I think his best bet is to simply refuse to participate in the debates. Sounds crazy but I could picture it --- refusing to release his tax return is along those lines.

20Cent

Just another example of people hearing different things when trump speaks. He has the vocabulary of a child. Not good when he's supposed to be dealing with world leaders.

20Cent

Trump interviewed by Bill O'Reilly.
Asked a simple question what is his policy on a federal minimum wage.
He says the states should decide, that he would leave it as is and raise it somewhat!!
Which is it?
video here

https://youtu.be/cGdIeZpwZwE

KingBrian2

TheDoctor wrote: »

If Trump gets elected I could see him hating the job and not run for a second term.

Trump was pushed into getting into the race from many Republicans who wanted none of the above. Remember the Tea Party fragmented but those people were desperate to get non est GOP into the White House. He staked his reputation on backing these angry people and when the likes of Paul Ryan, Ron Paul & Sarah Palin were passed over they turned to Trump a businessperson. Hillary on the other hand has been years setting up her party machine a becoming the undisputed Queen of the Democrats but the American people don't want a Queen so not bad from Trump a newcomer to upset the Crowning.

Christy42

Suryavarman wrote: »

In an interview today Mike Pence said that he believes name calling has no place in politics in response to Obama calling Trump a demagogue. Post-truth politics really is quite the spectacle.

I... just.... no. How can this man just not be laughed out of every venue he enters for this. The sheer lack of facts on the Republican side is mind boggling.

Billy86

Well, it appears Clinton's speech is outperforming Trump's thus far - http://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-instant-clinton-dnc-speech-2016-7 . Final numbers won't be available until the weekend it seems, but the DNC appears to have won the ratings war also

After Clinton's speech, 71% of viewers CNN polled reacted very positively. After Trump's speech, 57% of people reacted very positively.

Clinton's speech might also help move the election polls in her favor — 60% of viewers said they were more likely to vote for Clinton after watching her address, while only 6% said they were less likely and 33% said it didn't affect their vote either way.

And 82% of those CNN polled said Clinton's policies would move the country in the right direction.

LostinKildare

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Trump was pushed into getting into the race from many Republicans who wanted none of the above. Remember the Tea Party fragmented but those people were desperate to get non est GOP into the White House. He staked his reputation on backing these angry people and when the likes of Paul Ryan, Ron Paul & Sarah Palin were passed over they turned to Trump a businessperson. Hillary on the other hand has been years setting up her party machine a becoming the undisputed Queen of the Democrats but the American people don't want a Queen so not bad from Trump a newcomer to upset the Crowning.

He wasn't pushed into getting into this race. He played at running for president in 1988, 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012 (and for NY governor in 2006). He went farther in some races than in others (i.e., into the primaries), but every time he bragged that if he did run/stay in the race, he'd definitely win. He's hardly a "newcomer" to running for pres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000

conditioned games

Cannot see the American people being stupid enough to vote for Hillary Clinton. They are already paying the price for Obama. The reason why Trump will win and more likely with a landslide is because people are tired and angry listening to the lies of the establishment.

Trump is willing to speak the truth which is why he has stood out from the rest at an early stage obtaining a groundswell support base that will launch him all the way to the white house.

America is in a hole that they can't get out of. Their only solution so far is to dig deeper and lie to the people. Yes by printing lots of currency you will reinflate the popped bubbles but that only lasts so long.

We are now coming to the end of this artificial stimulus where the dollar bubble will pop and will no longer be the worlds sole reserve currency. America is in a dire place, the elite controlled media and their puppets like Obama and Clinton will continue to lie to the American people but with Trump speaking out he has given some hope to millions of people across America.

oscarBravo

conditioned games wrote: »

Trump is willing to speak the truth...

...but unable?

Seriously: how can anybody believe something like that? What sort of herculean effort of self-deception does it take to claim that the man who is, objectively, the least honest candidate for election this year (and, quite possibly, ever) is willing the speak the truth?

Or is this one of these dog-whistle situations, where "the truth" has come to mean "abusive, hateful and divisive rhetoric that I wish I could say myself but I'm afraid to reveal my true colours"?

RobertKK

The Democrats seem very poor on security.

The latest breaking news is the Hillary Clinton campaign and that of the Democrats in general has been hacked and whoever hacked had access to everything, from emails to election strategy and everything else.

KingBrian2

oscarBravo wrote: »

...but unable?

Seriously: how can anybody believe something like that? What sort of herculean effort of self-deception does it take to claim that the man who is, objectively, the least honest candidate for election this year (and, quite possibly, ever) is willing the speak the truth?

Or is this one of these dog-whistle situations, where "the truth" has come to mean "abusive, hateful and divisive rhetoric that I wish I could say myself but I'm afraid to reveal my true colours"?

Perhaps it is due to the lack of truth on the Democratic side. President Obama was warned by economists that QE is not a long term solution to resolving the Debt Crisis and those that believe America is Great today for past successes are not seeing the road ahead. Unlike America China has not endangered the global economy with the gvt shutdowns. Germany and Russia has not being wasting taxpayers money on expensive wars instead they concentrate on their people. Putin is more popular in Russia than Trump or Hillary. So the garden is not rosy America needs a lot of work to rebuild trust with the international community.

Billy86

conditioned games wrote: »

Cannot see the American people being stupid enough to vote for Hillary Clinton. They are already paying the price for Obama. The reason why Trump will win and more likely with a landslide is because people are tired and angry listening to the lies of the establishment.

Trump is willing to speak the truth which is why he has stood out from the rest at an early stage obtaining a groundswell support base that will launch him all the way to the white house.

Nope - http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Even Ted Cruz scored remarkably better for honesty. Along with every single other candidate in the election. Here is Clinton's for comparison - http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/ .

He is quite possibly the most dishonest politician to ever make a decent run at the US presidents' position.

Billy86

oscarBravo wrote: »

...but unable?

Seriously: how can anybody believe something like that? What sort of herculean effort of self-deception does it take to claim that the man who is, objectively, the least honest candidate for election this year (and, quite possibly, ever) is willing the speak the truth?

Or is this one of these dog-whistle situations, where "the truth" has come to mean "abusive, hateful and divisive rhetoric that I wish I could say myself but I'm afraid to reveal my true colours"?

Whenever you see a post like that, my advise is to check their posting history quickly. It usually answers any questions that you might have pretty quickly.

KingBrian2

Billy86 wrote: »

Whenever you see a post like that, my advise is to check their posting history quickly. It usually answers any questions that you might have pretty quickly.

So instead of engaging in discussion you simple do your very own background check.

Black Swan

conditioned games wrote: »

Trump is willing to speak the truth which is why he has stood out from the rest at an early stage obtaining a groundswell support base that will launch him all the way to the white house.

Did Donald Trump "speak the truth" advertising the $300 million Trump Tower Tampa, and lured people to put down a deposit, joining dozens of other buyers eager to own part of what Trump called a property "so spectacular that it will redefine both Tampa's skyline and the market's expectations of luxury" One investor says "I lost $130,000... I didn't know people [Donald Trump] could take your money and not build the building.''

Did Donald Trump "speak the truth" promising investors, contractors, and workers that they would be paid for building his Trump Plaza Casino and Hotel, only to later declare bankruptcy, walking away with millions, but does not pay his debts to investors, contractors, and workers. Did Donald Trump "speak the truth" when he says his famous quote "You're fired!" to those folks who trusted him in Atlantic City?

Did Donald Trump "speak the truth" when he founded Trump University, a bate-and-switch-scheme claimed by the New York Attorney General, as collaborated by one of his former TU managers: “Based upon my personal experience and employment, I believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme, and that it preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.” Donald Trump is now a defendant in US District Court for (alleged) "Fraud, racketeering, and corruption," and not just one class action case, but 3 in the 2 states of New York and California.

Did Donald Trump "speak the truth" when he claimed that women having abortions should receive “some form of punishment," or did he "speak the truth" when he later retracted his statement after all the opposition to his statement by Republicans, Democrats, and the news media?

Did Donald Trump "speak the truth" when he contacted "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," referring to Hillary Clinton's private email server. "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press." Did Donald Trump "speak the truth" to the Russians, a foreign power, or after the news media criticized him, did he "speak the truth" when he quickly retracted his Russian statement?

Billy86

KingBrian2 wrote: »

So instead of engaging in discussion you simple do your very own background check.

No Brian, I have repeatedly engaged you and you have repeatedly ignored the facts on hand.

I would suggest that when someone comes in telling us how much truth Donald Trump is saying, people check their posting histories.

Christy42

KingBrian2 wrote: »

So instead of engaging in discussion you simple do your very own background check.

What discussion do you want to have.

"Trump is honest"

"No he has been shown to lie more than the rest of the primary candidates on both sides with links (see a few posts up)"

"Obama hasn't always told the truth".

I am at a loss at what more people want to show that Trump is a liar who has held multiple positions on important issues, occasionally even within the space of the same sentence.

Come back with a reasoned argument as to why those links are wrong and why Trump hasn't been repeatedly lying and we can have a discussion. Until then the facts seem clear.