Irish only front line staff...opinions?

Doom

Charlie has opened a can of worms here....
http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/the-famous-publican-who-says-his-bar-staff-simply-must-be-irish-30625620.html

I understand some if what he's trying to say, but he wasn't very tactful about it.
In my experience I think Irish staff appear friendlier (may inwardly despise you ) than our Eastern European cousins, unfortunately they come across with a very abrupt manner and appear stand offish and even a bit rude, but hey thats their nature and I get that (inwardly may be lusting after you).
I do like a smiley, polite and mannerly person to order food from or book into a hotel...regardless of where you are from.

Menas

As long as they know what a Black and Tan is I dont care if they are from Tallaght or Timbuktu.

wp_rathead

Being friendly and mannerly are not exclusive Irish characteristics - a moronic statement by the guy imo

miroslavklose

This must be a new thing. He's had non-Irish bar staff in the Orchard relatively recently.

zoobizoo

makes no difference to me one the service is good.

Bucklesman

Do you think his definition of 'Irish' is the one on passports, or the one based on skin colour? I for one think he doesn't go far enough. He should only employ Gaeilgeoirs, or else it's not Irish enough for me.

Lalealynn

miroslavklose wrote: »

This must be a new thing. He's had non-Irish bar staff in the Orchard relatively recently.

The Orchard has had non Irish staff for a while and also has many non Irish clientele giving patronage. So this is nonsense. He does employ non Irish frontline staff.


He is incorrectly stereotyping both Irish people and Eastern Europeans. I have found many Eastern Europeans and other nationalities to be lovely. So generally are Irish people.

By the way I CAN'T BELIEVE HE PAID 22 MILLION for the Orchard!!! It's a lovely pub and I like to go there but really? I'm very surprised.

I think their live music could promote creative talent more rather than cover bands so much.

masonchat

I think that man is going to get slated, he is quite entitled to do what his doing as far as im concerned you just cant say it out loud.

I was around a large beef processing plant few years ago , at break time i would pass the hundreds of workers all headin to the canteen , i never heard 1 irish accent you would literally think you were in another country.

To make it even worse i was told the place hires a few irish partime during seasonal peaks and that the irish workers would often be intimidated out.

I dont know why or how a place like that ends up with such unbalance ?

Grandeeod

I can see his point.

I got into a nasty debate here months back about something I said relating to the tourism industry. Its an issue alright and there is definately negative feedback from tourists. But as the tourism figures increase, for now I cant say its affecting things on a large scale. But time may tell a different story.

Doom

masonchat wrote: »

I think that man is going to get slated, he is quite entitled to do what his doing as far as im concerned you just cant say it out loud.

I was around a large beef processing plant few years ago , at break time i would pass the hundreds of workers all headin to the canteen , i never heard 1 irish accent you would literally think you were in another country.

To make it even worse i was told the place hires a few irish partime during seasonal peaks and that the irish workers would often be intimidated out.

I dont know why or how a place like that ends up with such unbalance ?

Lower wages and owner greed imo.

masonchat

Doom wrote: »

Lower wages and owner greed imo.

But surely they are getting the minimum wage at least ?

Donkey Oaty

If you look at the "traditional Irish food" menu at his pub in Adare, it's mostly cibata, panini, pasta, spring rolls, salsa wraps, Manhattan-style this and American-style that and a salad invented in Las Vegas.

Nothing wrong with that, of course. But to call it "traditional Irish" and also say that they are "constantly keeping up with the culinary needs of our discerning patrons" makes me wonder if he's actually a few steps ahead of us all in the publicity game and is laughing all the way to the bank.

Menas

Doom wrote: »

Lower wages and owner greed imo.

You cant legally get lower than Minumum wage which would be the standard wage for most of those working in a meat processing plant.

Timberrrrrrrr

Wasn't it a lovely Irish man that shot his leg off?

miroslavklose

Lalealynn wrote: »

The Orchard has had non Irish staff for a while and also has many non Irish clientele giving patronage. So this is nonsense. He does employ non Irish frontline staff.


He is incorrectly stereotyping both Irish people and Eastern Europeans. I have found many Eastern Europeans and other nationalities to be lovely. So generally are Irish people.

By the way I CAN'T BELIEVE HE PAID 22 MILLION for the Orchard!!! It's a lovely pub and I like to go there but really? I'm very surprised.

I think their live music could promote creative talent more rather than cover bands so much.

Yeah, now that I think about it, one of the managers is Scottish. I'm not sure if Charlie has any role in it now anyway - his daughter's name is above the door if I remember correctly.

22 million was Celtic Tiger-era madness, but the place was and continues to be a goldmine and you wouldn't bet against him making a profit long-term. He's rich enough that won't need to sell before the price rockets again.

Agreed on the music, but realistically covers are all people want to hear in a pub.

BoJack Horseman

If you income depends on delivering authenticity, I can understand.

Menas

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Wasn't it a lovely Irish man that shot his leg off?

Thats a bit below the belt.

Doom

masonchat wrote: »

But surely they are getting the minimum wage at least ?

I suppose so, I would imagine in previous times Irish staff got paid more, as Eastern Europeans arrived they were happy to accept minimum wage......so owner thinks 'hey i can take more money for myself from the company' and as staff roll over they are replaced by lower paid Europeans who generally won't grumble over minimum wage..simple

Doom

Bucklesman wrote: »

Do you think his definition of 'Irish' is the one on passports, or the one based on skin colour? I for one think he doesn't go far enough. He should only employ Gaeilgeoirs, or else it's not Irish enough for me.

Leprechauns are the only true Irish...

masonchat

masonchat wrote: »

I think that man is going to get slated, he is quite entitled to do what his doing as far as im concerned you just cant say it out loud.

How so? Morally I have an issue with it and it would be interesting if someone bothered bringing a case.

I was around a large beef processing plant few years ago , at break time i would pass the hundreds of workers all headin to the canteen , i never heard 1 irish accent you would literally think you were in another country.

What were you doing there?

To make it even worse i was told the place hires a few irish partime during seasonal peaks and that the irish workers would often be intimidated out.

Who told you that?

I dont know why or how a place like that ends up with such unbalance ?

It's a pretty **** job, I think that's the reason.

Also a place having all Irish staff isn't indicative of an issue as such. A blanket policy is an issue. Not so long ago I took the piss out of a barmaid who was Uruguayan when I called her Spanish and she called me English. Banter! :P

JONJO THE MISER

Love having Irish staff serve me.
The eastern europeans for the most part never smile cant have the banter and sometimes quiet rude.

enricoh

dunno, a few polish honeys pulling pints in a pub near me definitely pulled in all the local lads!
Having said that at my local applegreen the only laugh I ever got from the eastern European s working there was when I asked for a vat receipt he asked me did I want it for the diesel or the crisps!

masonchat

Deleted User wrote: »

How so? Morally I have an issue with it and it would be interesting if someone bothered bringing a case.


What were you doing there? Not disecting cows if thats what you are implying

who told you that? someone that i believed, you need not if that makes you happy

It's a pretty **** job, I think that's the reason.

@t job but to say that is the sole reason is false i think

masonchat

masonchat wrote: »

@t job but to say that is the sole reason is false i think

Have you any other suggestions? My dad worked in an abattoir back in the day and said the only ones working there were mentals and ones who were desperate for any kind of wage.

sabat

I hope for his sake he doesn't get sued under discrimination laws-after those comments he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

fleet_admiral

Howya Charlie, dont stand up

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you any other suggestions? My dad worked in an abattoir back in the day and said the only ones working there were mentals and ones who were desperate for any kind of wage.

Mentals? How the fuck did mentals get a job there? Mental isn't even in the poxy EU.

Gatling

sabat wrote: »

he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

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Gatling

In saying that have you tried to order foods and drinks and non national staff with the basic of basic English have a clue what you're trying to order

masonchat

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you any other suggestions? My dad worked in an abattoir back in the day and said the only ones working there were mentals and ones who were desperate for any kind of wage.

As did my grandfather , during the boom i would understand this more so than now with few jobs around

It is a awful job though , i know i couldnt do it so hats off to them cos i like my beef

karloseqm

I would never it there

Slot Machine

masonchat wrote: »

I think that man is going to get slated, he is quite entitled to do what his doing as far as im concerned you just cant say it out loud.

You can't do it because of the small matter of it being illegal.

Specialun

If a bunch of foreigners guys came on a stag, lets say 20 of them for 3 days..clearly speaking in tneir own native tongue
...
Would he take their money or ask them to leave?

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

In saying that have you tried to order foods and drinks and non national staff with the basic of basic English have a clue what you're trying to order

That's called poor hiring practices.

masonchat wrote: »

As did my grandfather , during the boom i would understand this more so than now with few jobs around

It is a awful job though , i know i couldnt do it so hats off to them cos i like my beef

I'm talking about well before the boom. There were plenty would rather sit in the cold that do that job.

Grandeeod

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you any other suggestions? My dad worked in an abattoir back in the day and said the only ones working there were mentals and ones who were desperate for any kind of wage.

So did mine. Blackhorse Avenue, Dublin across from the Cattle Market on the top of Prussia Street. Converted to Housing late 70s/early 80s. Made a great living from it. Very skilled. Never heard any stories of mentals working there and remember Garngegorman was only around the corner.

My father chose to work there. Lived in the area all his life.

Fratton Fred

I imagine every non Irish national who has ever been turned down for a job in one of his pubs is currently on the phone to a solicitor.

GLaDOS

I like the way all these different countries and their respective cultures can be nicely condensed down to "Eastern European"

Nodin

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I like the way all these different countries and their respective cultures can be nicely condensed down to "Eastern European"

They're all east of here, aren't they?

masonchat

Slot Machine wrote: »

You can't do it because of the small matter of it being illegal.

How is it illegal, he just has to say the staff he hired were the best that applied.

The is no law as far as im aware stating any business has to hire x% non nationals or locals, to refuse them an interview would be another matter.

All that aside if you say what he has said , i would expect a backlash

Fratton Fred

masonchat wrote: »

How is it illegal, he just has to say the staff he hired were the best that applied.

The is no law as far as im aware stating any business has to hire x% non nationals or locals, to refuse them an interview would be another matter.

All that aside if you say what he has said , i would expect a backlash

Refusing someone a job because of their nationality is illegal.

gladrags

It would be interesting to know,what percentage of Irish people have,and are being employed,compared to non nationals.

I would hazard a guess that the non nationals are chosen because...

They can be paid a lower wage.

They can be manipulated more easily.

They will rarely complain about conditions,due to their circumstance.

masonchat

Deleted User wrote: »

That's called poor hiring practices.

I'm talking about well before the boom. There were plenty would rather sit in the cold that do that job.

Yet the jobs were filled were they not

masonchat

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Refusing someone a job because of their nationality is illegal.

OF course it is , so dont refuse them a job because of their nationality

Grandeeod

Grandeeod wrote: »

So did mine. Blackhorse Avenue, Dublin across from the Cattle Market on the top of Prussia Street. Converted to Housing late 70s/early 80s. Made a great living from it. Very skilled. Never heard any stories of mentals working there and remember Garngegorman was only around the corner.

My father chose to work there. Lived in the area all his life.

That's nice.

masonchat

masonchat wrote: »

Yet the jobs were filled were they not

Hiring someone who can't do the job properly is a poor hiring practice.

Gmaximum

I understand what he's trying to say I just think he hasn't thought through how to say it

I've been in 3 of his pubs occasionally over the last year. Each one employs both irish and foreign nationals. I actually spoke to the manager in the Bank one night and he was eastern European.

I don't think there's add anything wrong with employing irish people to maintain the "irishness" of any business. We pay the bills for most business year round having irish staff gives you a better understanding of the local marker

Quin_Dub

It's a veryy fine line he's treading...

On one level I get the point he's making , but I really don't think it applies to his businesses as his pubs are just standard pubs around Dublin for the most part..

There might be an argument to be made in the context of a truly "themed" experience.. For example , Bunratty castle where you have the staff/actors playing roles as farmers or what have you..but legally it's a very delicate line to take..

But in a regular pub that's just knocking out pints and carvery????

Frank Lee Midere

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Refusing someone a job because of their nationality is illegal.

It is and it isn't. It isn't if the nationality is non-European and without visa. Then it works the other way.

P_1

Haven't the Yank tourists been giving out lately about not having Irish people serving them when they're on their holidays over here. I suppose if you're in the business of extracting Yank tourist Euros from Yank tourist wallets then it makes a bit of sense to cater to their demands.

Is the publican concerned in the business of extracting Yank tourist Euros from Yank tourist wallets?

Frank Lee Midere

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I like the way all these different countries and their respective cultures can be nicely condensed down to "Eastern European"

It gets worse. Add a few more countries and we are all called "European".