Passat 2.0 tdi engine kaput

Buzwaldo

Long story short, my 07 Passat (95k? mlies) needs a new engine and turbo. This car has given some problems since bought as a UK import in 08. My garage man reckons it was clocked. Anyway he has sourced a few engines - one from a breaker, and one (more expensive) german reconditioned engine.
As I don't have the appetite for getting a replacement car (and I guess I would get little on a trade-in for an engine-less car), I will probably just stump up for an engine replacement.
I am pretty clueless re cars, but have found another few engines by website trawling, but will any 2.0 litre Passat/audi engine go in this car, or am I limited to specific engine codes??
Could this car take a 1.9 litre engine? (guess they would be more common out there?)
Will confer with my mechanic on Monday obviously, but would appreciate any answers to the above 2 questions (or any other relevant gems of wisdom) that any of you motor buffs could give, so I can get my head around it in the meantime.
Thanks in advance.

mullingar

Unless you are changing the cars wiring loom and ECU's, just stick to the mechanical swap, ie stick to the same size engine and the same engine code.

MidlandsM

The 2.0 is renowned for shyting itself. You are not exclusive in that. Youllneed another 2.0 fitted , but then get rid is my view. I never touch them. Only stock the 1.9.

Guest0000

Your having a laugh, the 1.9 bxe (105bhp)engine is the biggest let down ever recorded from the vag group, with people reverting back to replacing them with the older bkc version.
One the other hand whilst the 2.0tdi ( bkd) 140hp hasn't been without its troubles with its injectors etc, essentially the bottom is of a much superior build than the bxe,
Regular and correct servicing being a big factor,
A good second hand engine, with a warranty being readily available for around 1500 euros including the turbo.

Zane97

Does it effect the newer CR 2ltrs?

MidlandsM

Guest0000 wrote: »

Your having a laugh, the 1.9 bxe (105bhp)engine is the biggest let down ever recorded from the vag group, with people reverting back to replacing them with the older bkc version.
One the other hand whilst the 2.0tdi ( bkd) 140hp hasn't been without its troubles with its injectors etc, essentially the bottom is of a much superior build than the bxe,
Regular and correct servicing being a big factor,
A good second hand engine, with a warranty being readily available for around 1500 euros including the turbo.

Lol...the laughs on you. How and where will you find a good 2.0 tdi secondhand engine...its always a pot luck situation. You never ever know what you are getting, regardless of what the breaker tells you.

And as for a warranty..... Yeah...dont believe what you get

Bpmull

Robbie G wrote: »

Does it effect the newer CR 2ltrs?

No I don't think any of the pd issues effected the newer cr engine. The 2.0 tdi cr engine is known to be quite reliable I don't think they have any major issues.

Toyotafanboi

Bpmull wrote: »

The 2.0 tdi cr engine is known to be quite reliable I don't think they have any major issues.

unless you would classify randomly crapping themselves as a major issue.

threads like this do make you wonder why people get such a hard on for VAG diesels in general.

bryaner

Guest0000 wrote: »

Your having a laugh, the 1.9 bxe (105bhp)engine is the biggest let down ever recorded from the vag group, with people reverting back to replacing them with the older bkc version.
One the other hand whilst the 2.0tdi ( bkd) 140hp hasn't been without its troubles with its injectors etc, essentially the bottom is of a much superior build than the bxe,
Regular and correct servicing being a big factor,
A good second hand engine, with a warranty being readily available for around 1500 euros including the turbo.

Please tell how the bottom is a much superior build?

Bpmull

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

unless you would classify randomly crapping themselves as a major issue.

So your talking about the old pd engine there now.

Guest0000

Without getting the handbags out and going completely off on a tangent, the bkd is readily available a quick search on the trade sites will show this,
One can dismiss any such warranty or guarantee as bs, or would you rather a tailight guarantee instead,

The ops injectors will have been replaced under the recall, so a bkp replacement block will also be a viable option, from a later improved version.

And so to recap, this and other posts are for the op benefit, and not to have a debate on the integrity of the breakers around the country,

Toyotafanboi

Bpmull wrote: »

So your talking about the old pd engine there now.

no, the one the OP is referring to is the 2.0

6 years and just 95k miles and it sounds like it's irreversibly shagged. i'm not going to lie, i would be beyond gutted, i would like my engine to last a little longer.

mickdw

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

no, the one the OP is referring to is the 2.0

6 years and just 95k miles and it sounds like it's irreversibly shagged. i'm not going to lie, i would be beyond gutted, i would like my engine to last a little longer.

OP says its likely clocked too!

Bpmull

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

no, the one the OP is referring to is the 2.0

6 years and just 95k miles and it sounds like it's irreversibly shagged. i'm not going to lie, i would be beyond gutted, i would like my engine to last a little longer.

The ops car is a 2.0tdi pd engine which is known for these problems I'm not arguing that. In the post you quoted me in I was answering a guy asked does the newer 2.0tdi cr have these problems which it doesn't. The 2.0 tdi pd and cr engine are very different engine when it comes to reliability.

JohnBoy26

Bpmull wrote: »

The ops car is a 2.0tdi pd engine which is known for these problems I'm not arguing that. In the post you quoted me in I was answering a guy asked does the newer 2.0tdi cr have these problems which it doesn't. The 2.0 tdi pd and cr engine are very different engine when it comes to reliability.

Early CR's were supposedly giving similar oil pump issues.

Bpmull

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Early CR's were supposedly giving similar oil pump issues.

It's must of only been the very early ones from the transition over. As in general I'm fairly sure they don't give pump trouble well not to anywhere near the same extent anyway.

JohnBoy26

Guest0000 wrote: »

Your having a laugh, the 1.9 bxe (105bhp)engine is the biggest let down ever recorded from the vag group, with people reverting back to replacing them with the older bkc version.
One the other hand whilst the 2.0tdi ( bkd) 140hp hasn't been without its troubles with its injectors etc, essentially the bottom is of a much superior build than the bxe,
Regular and correct servicing being a big factor,
A good second hand engine, with a warranty being readily available for around 1500 euros including the turbo.

How will that stop the pump from giving trouble? It gives issues regardless of maintenance tbh.

Also their is more than one type of 1.9tdi out there, not all are bxe engines.

A 1.9 non bxe is a much safer bet than a 2.0tdi with the oil pump issues imo.

Bpmull

Bpmull wrote: »

It's must of only been the very early ones from the transition over. As in general I'm fairly sure they don't give pump trouble well not to anywhere near the same extent anyway.

Are you fairly sure due to knowledge and / or experience or are you guessing due to there being not too many chats on the internet compared to the PDs?

Guest0000

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

How will that stop the pump from giving trouble? It gives issues regardless of maintenance tbh.

Also their is more than one type of 1.9tdi out there, not all are bxe engines.

A 1.9 non bxe is a much safer bet than a 2.0tdi with the oil pump issues imo.

With the exception of the small proportion of bls, all are bxe.

Like I said, tangents and point scoring, three pages in not one of you give a relevant reply to the op original query,

Bpmull

Augeo wrote: »

Are you fairly sure due to knowledge and / or experience or are you guessing due to there being not too many chats on the internet compared to the PDs?

I base nothing I say on what I've read on the internet. As if we were going by what is said on threads here then basically everything with a bxe engine will explode when in reality there is less than 1 % failure rates as if there was the failure rates that are mentioned on the internet then every vw garage should have 10s of golf and passats outside it every week all with bxe engines in sh!t. I'm not a mechanic just like cars. I have four uncles who are qualified mechanics and talk to them a lot that's where I hear about the common faults on cars.

You'll find that if you believed everything you read on the internet you just wouldn't buy any car. I have a bxe engine golf by the way.

JohnBoy26

Bpmull wrote: »

I base nothing I say on what I've read on the internet. As if we were going by what is said on threads here then basically everything with a bxe engine will explode when in reality there is less than 1 % failure rates as if there was the failure rates that are mentioned on the internet then every vw garage should have 10s of golf and passats outside it every week all with bxe engines in sh!t. I'm not a mechanic just like cars. I have four uncles who are qualified mechanics and talk to them a lot that's where I hear about the common faults on cars.

You'll find that if you believed everything you read on the internet you just wouldn't buy any car. I have a bxe engine golf by the way.

I think they were referring to your post regarding the CR engine.

JohnBoy26

Guest0000 wrote: »

With the exception of the small proportion of bls, all are bxe.

Like I said, tangents and point scoring, three pages in not one of you give a relevant reply to the op original query,

pot/kettle :rolleyes:

Bpmull

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I think they were referring to your post regarding the CR engine.

Well any mechanic I've talked to has always said that the cr engine is a huge improvement on the old pd 2.0 tdi and they have only ever mentioned pump failure when talking about the older pd engine. I've a good few relations who have the cr engine in cars and they've never had any pump issues. I've never looked up threads on cr issues so I don't know what they say.

Guest0000

On all of my posts I have made reference to th initial question, in telling the chap of the engine code of his car, and the approx price of a replacement and the option of fitting the bkp engine,
if that constitutes being a kettle, well so be it.
You and yours on the other hand have said nothing, other than pick holes in others opinion and views,

Bpmull

Bpmull wrote: »

I base nothing I say on what I've read on the internet. As if we were going by what is said on threads here then basically everything with a bxe engine will explode when in reality there is less than 1 % failure rates as if there was the failure rates that are mentioned on the internet then every vw garage should have 10s of golf and passats outside it every week all with bxe engines in sh!t. I'm not a mechanic just like cars. I have four uncles who are qualified mechanics and talk to them a lot that's where I hear about the common faults on cars.

You'll find that if you believed everything you read on the internet you just wouldn't buy any car. I have a bxe engine golf by the way.

.... You have 4 mechanics as uncles yet you bought a focus with the appalling 1.6 PSA in it? You mustn't talk to them too often.

Toyotafanboi

Augeo wrote: »

.... You have 4 mechanics as uncles yet you bought a focus with the appalling 1.6 PSA in it? You mustn't talk to them too often.

followed by a bxe golf.

JohnBoy26

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

followed by a bxe golf.

:pac:

Bpmull

Well firstly I was warned about the focus and it's problems by my uncles. But I still chose to buy it so really I have no one to blame only myself. Although I suppose you always take a certain amount of risk when buying a second hand car.

As for the golf I always wanted one had to be diesel around 2007 so what were my options 2.0tdi pd or 1.9tdi bxe engine. I think I made the right choice. I've never heard of a real case of conrod failure in Ireland (as in not on the internet) or seen an engine after it. I know it's a big issue in uk. I love my golf and if I was back again I would buy it everytime. It's been 100 % reliable I have 18k km up on it. The only thing I've replaced is tyres, wipers, pads and service which are all routine / wear items. So I personally don't see buying a bxe golf as a negative as it hasn't gone wrong.

JohnBoy26

Guest0000 wrote: »

On all of my posts I have made reference to th initial question, in telling the chap of the engine code of his car, and the approx price of a replacement and the option of fitting the bkp engine,
if that constitutes being a kettle, well so be it.
You and yours on the other hand have said nothing, other than pick holes in others opinion and views,

Hang on now a minute, you were doing exactly what you have accused others of from the off in your very first post. You've some neck to accuse other posters of something you are guilty of yourself.

MidlandsM wrote: »

The 2.0 is renowned for shyting itself. You are not exclusive in that. Youllneed another 2.0 fitted , but then get rid is my view. I never touch them. Only stock the 1.9.

Guest0000 wrote: »

Your having a laugh, the 1.9 bxe (105bhp)engine is the biggest let down ever recorded from the vag group, with people reverting back to replacing them with the older bkc version.
One the other hand whilst the 2.0tdi ( bkd) 140hp hasn't been without its troubles with its injectors etc, essentially the bottom is of a much superior build than the bxe,
Regular and correct servicing being a big factor,
A good second hand engine, with a warranty being readily available for around 1500 euros including the turbo.

Not only did you try to "pick holes" in the above poster's "views" but when you were asked to explain and back up your post you failed to do so.

Anyway I've said my bit so I'll leave it at that.

JohnBoy26

Bpmull wrote: »

Well firstly I was warned about the focus and it's problems by my uncles. But I still chose to buy it so really I have no one to blame only myself. Although I suppose you always take a certain amount of risk when buying a second hand car.

As for the golf I always wanted one had to be diesel around 2007 so what were my options 2.0tdi pd or 1.9tdi bxe engine. I think I made the right choice. I've never heard of a real case of conrod failure in Ireland (as in not on the internet) or seen an engine after it. I know it's a big issue in uk. I love my golf and if I was back again I would buy it everytime. It's been 100 % reliable I have 18k km up on it. The only thing I've replaced is tyres, wipers, pads and service which are all routine / wear items. So I personally don't see buying a bxe golf as a negative as it hasn't gone wrong.

Shhh don't speak too soon. If the conrod escapes from the block you will be telling everyone that they are a terrible yoke and not to go within 5 miles of one

Toyotafanboi

Although I suppose you always take a certain amount of risk when buying a second hand car.

very true. pretty much every second hand car is a gamble of sorts.

As for the golf I always wanted one had to be diesel around 2007 so what were my options 2.0tdi pd or 1.9tdi bxe engine. I think I made the right choice.

was there not the option of a more "reliable"/ sensible alternative. or did you just feel compelled into investing a few grand in something that is prone to random and catastrophic failure because it wore the VW badge.

I've never heard of a real case of conrod failure in Ireland (as in not on the internet) or seen an engine after it.

i'm not being funny, but unless you work in the industry, how would you?

I love my golf and if I was back again I would buy it everytime. It's been 100 % reliable I have 18k km up on it... So I personally don't see buying a bxe golf as a negative as it hasn't gone wrong.

i've seen your posts and i know you do take care of and enjoy that car, but i do ask you; every time you sit into that car and drive it, does the conrod issue cross your mind? i think we both know the answer.

i'm not saying you are totally wrong in your points, nor am i trying to take away the fact you have an enthusiasm for your car (and feel the need to defend it, which we all do), which is a great interest for anyone to have. but you must see your arguments have a lot of holes in them.

Bpmull

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Shhh don't speak too soon. If the conrod escapes from the block you will be telling everyone that they are a terrible yoke and not to go within 5 miles of one

Well the engine going in my one is something I have no control over. However if you do actually study up bxe failures. You'll find that uk which had the largest fail rate almost all the golfs are set to variable servicing and are only service ever 20-30k miles. Which seems mad to me but they don't service them until the car tells them too. Yet it doesn't seem to be as big an issue in Ireland on the cars that are serviced every 15k km. So if your being logical then that has something to with it that and people throwing 10w40 oil into the engine with the sure be grand attitude. Anyway no matter what happens to my current golf I'll be buying a mk6 next so that's my plan.

Toyotafanboi

if only you could get VW to teach Toyota how to get soft touch plastics and brand engineering marketing brainwashing just right and then you'd probably have the best built vorsprung durch technik in the world.

i'm off to sleep.

MuppetCheck

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

if only you could get VW to teach Toyota how to get soft touch plastics and brand engineering marketing brainwashing just right and then you'd probably have the best built vorsprung durch technik in the world.

i'm off to sleep.

Yeah, imagine the Toyota 2.2 with soft touch plastics. Would definitely make that more reliable:pac:

Sure stick it in a Lexus altogether and it would be great:D

Buzwaldo

Ok. Thanks for the replies guys. As the injectors were replaced on a recall, I guess that means it's a bkd version?
Should be most straightforward to replace with another bkd, which are fairly available. If I get a CR (which are newer/more reliable) it will mean extra work / electrics adjustment to instal.
Did I get that correct or miss something else along the line?

Bpmull

@tfb I'd agree with a lot of what you said. As for there being holes in my arguments there may be a few but at the same time I never referred to the ops pd 2.0tdi engine whenever I said that it was referring to the newer 2.0tdi cr which is a far improved engine and I still believe. Johnboy said he thought the early ones gave some pump trouble maybe they did but doesn't make me wrong then as it I'd still a far superior engine.

As for my golf and buying an alternative well comparing it to the others in the segment I've either own them or my parents have had one so that accounts for; astra, focus, megane, corolla, 307. I'd still prefer the golf and I'm not some vw fanboi and while vw diesel are not without there problems overall the problems are abit exaggerated but in saying all that the 2.0tdi pd engine in the old is one of the worst and not that reliable.

But if I was them is try to get a recon engine rather than scrap if there wasn't a huge price difference should be more reliable scrap engine is more hit and miss.

Bpmull

Buzwaldo wrote: »

Ok. Thanks for the replies guys. As the injectors were replaced on a recall, I guess that means it's a bkd version?
Should be most straightforward to replace with another bkd, which are fairly available. If I get a CR (which are newer/more reliable) it will mean extra work / electrics adjustment to instal.
Did I get that correct or miss something else along the line?

Id imagine that would be a lot more work to swap. Your better of to stick to the same engine code that way it's a more direct swap. Putting in a cr engine would be a huge amount of work if even possible.

Tail Docker

The fact that lads are going to the effort of putting an old sdi short block under the modern 1.9 heads ought to give people and idea of just how common throwing a conrod is in the newer Vag diesels. The oil pumps, whether chain or rod drive, with their farcically small oil pick-ups is pretty much the crux - the pick-up blocks(it's feckin tiny...) and starves the engine of oil. If you own a modern VAG diesel, bung in a bottle of engine flush before every oil-change to keep the pick-up clear and halve the oil-change interval. That at least gives you a fighting chance. And forget about sucking the oil out through the dip-stick, that's just leaving the crud in the sump, begging for it to block the oil pick up.

George Dalton

Tail Docker wrote: »

The fact that lads are going to the effort of putting an old sdi short block under the modern 1.9 heads ought to give people and idea of just how common throwing a conrod is in the newer Vag diesels. The oil pumps, whether chain or rod drive, with their farcically small oil pick-ups is pretty much the crux - the pick-up blocks(it's feckin tiny...) and starves the engine of oil. If you own a modern VAG diesel, bung in a bottle of engine flush before every oil-change to keep the pick-up clear and halve the oil-change interval. That at least gives you a fighting chance. And forget about sucking the oil out through the dip-stick, that's just leaving the crud in the sump, begging for it to block the oil pick up.

I would say I have worked on roughly 1000 VW TDI engined cars of all variations.

Do you know how many blocked oil pump pickup pipes I have seen on them?

None. Not even 1.

galwaytt

George Dalton wrote: »

I would say I have worked on roughly 1000 VW TDI engined cars of all variations.

Do you know how many blocked oil pump pickup pipes I have seen on them?

None. Not even 1.

Now now George, this is the Internet - you can check your reality at the door. ...

Tail Docker

George Dalton wrote: »

I would say I have worked on roughly 1000 VW TDI engined cars of all variations.

Do you know how many blocked oil pump pickup pipes I have seen on them?

None. Not even 1.

The VW tdi oil pump has two issues - 1.the drive, if rod driven, fails because the rod was too short and skimpy(vw lengthened the drive rod), if chain drivven, the tensioner fails(they upgraded the tensioner). and 2. the pickup is too small an aperture and the mesh blocks causing oil starvation. Oil pumps are often on back-order as so many fail.
The same faults kill innumerable 1.8T Petrol Vag group engines. Oil starvation.

I don't hugely care how many you have worked on. I see the engines coming back into the central distributors every morning and new ones going out.

George Dalton

Tail Docker wrote: »

The VW tdi oil pump has two issues - 1.the drive, if rod driven, fails because the rod was too short and skimpy(vw lengthened the drive rod), if chain drivven, the tensioner fails(they upgraded the tensioner). and 2. the pickup is too small an aperture and the mesh blocks causing oil starvation. Oil pumps are often on back-order as so many fail.
The same faults kill innumerable 1.8T Petrol Vag group engines. Oil starvation.

I don't hugely care how many you have worked on. I see the engines coming back into the central distributors every morning and new ones going out.

You don't need to explain to me the issues with the 2.0 TDI oil pump drive. I'm extremely familiar with them.

My experience is that TDI oil pump pickups don't get blocked like the 1.8T ones do.

If you are looking at an engine that has eaten itself due to oil starvation then there is obviously going to be a load of crap in the sump. But that's a consequence of the failure not a cause of it.

jimgoose

It's high time the Krauts were told to keep their weird little Eastern European sh1theaps that attempt to run on the incorrect fuel for the Russians, and we started buying proper cars that work.

Tail Docker

BLB, BPW BRE BNA BKP BMA and BNP coded 2.0 diesels all run twin balancer shafts, and all have oil pumps running at twice engine speed, by design. I.e, flogged to death. The 2.0tdis from 2004 have chain drive to a damped sprocket that is like a mini dmf and also cacks itself, as does the tensioner that keeps the chain taut - crappy little nylon jobbie that snaps, allowing the tensioner post to wear away the chain rapido. And everyone knows about the short hex shaft issues.

If you have a twin balancer shaft engine, and are concerned about longevity or undue rattles, the best conversion is to bin the balancer shaft set-up and revert to the chain drive and sprocket, using a replacement solid sprocket- which is available as a kit of parts from a UK company called KMB - they do a range of conversion kits to suit most Vag diesels. And keep that crappy little oil-pick up gauze clear. It's the size of a 1c coin, so it blocks, despite what people may say. Opening an engine that has damage, and assuming the gauze is blocked as a result of failure, rather than being the cause of the failure, is, erm, well, whatever.

George Dalton

I disagree that the best solution for the oil pump issues on the 2.0TDI is to get rid of the balance shaft. The balance shaft equipped 2.0s are noticeably smoother than the non balance shaft versions fitted to the Golf based cars.

Keeping the balance shaft while converting to gear drive where needed on pre 2007 cars and addressing the hex bar issue is the way to go IMO as you then have a reliable setup without losing the benefits of the balance shaft.

JohnBoy26

George Dalton wrote: »

I disagree that the best solution for the oil pump issues on the 2.0TDI is to get rid of the balance shaft. The balance shaft equipped 2.0s are noticeably smoother than the non balance shaft versions fitted to the Golf based cars.

Keeping the balance shaft while converting to gear drive where needed on pre 2007 cars and addressing the hex bar issue is the way to go IMO as you then have a reliable setup without losing the benefits of the balance shaft.

George how would you go about addressing the hex bar issue? Is there a way to fix them permanently?

There is an improved, longer version available.

Tail Docker

Augeo wrote: »

There is an improved, longer version available.

that's usually on back order..

George Dalton

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

George how would you go about addressing the hex bar issue? Is there a way to fix them permanently?

We use an improved version which is supplied by a company called Powermax Engineering in NI. We have been fitting their parts for the last 3.5 years and have never had a single issue.

George Dalton

Augeo wrote: »

There is an improved, longer version available.

The problem with that approach is the cost. VW will only sell you a complete balance shaft assembly which retails at over €1000 ex VAT, or at least it did the last time I priced one which is a good few years back now.

raxy

Buzwaldo wrote: »

Long story short, my 07 Passat (95k? mlies) needs a new engine and turbo. This car has given some problems since bought as a UK import in 08. My garage man reckons it was clocked. Anyway he has sourced a few engines - one from a breaker, and one (more expensive) german reconditioned engine.
As I don't have the appetite for getting a replacement car (and I guess I would get little on a trade-in for an engine-less car), I will probably just stump up for an engine replacement.
I am pretty clueless re cars, but have found another few engines by website trawling, but will any 2.0 litre Passat/audi engine go in this car, or am I limited to specific engine codes??
Could this car take a 1.9 litre engine? (guess they would be more common out there?)
Will confer with my mechanic on Monday obviously, but would appreciate any answers to the above 2 questions (or any other relevant gems of wisdom) that any of you motor buffs could give, so I can get my head around it in the meantime.
Thanks in advance.

I had probably the same problem with my 08 Passat 1.9TDI (another UK import) with about 110k miles back in July. Conrod blew threw the sump & needed a new engine.
Cost me 1500 for a replacement 1.9TDI engine from a breakers. altogether ended up costing me close to €3000 to have fitted. Now I've got 3 oil leaks & a cracked intercooler tube.
The old engine was a BXE & the replacement came from a Seat Leon BXF engine. Hoping this is the end of my problems for now.
The VW garage wanted me to scrap my car & get a new one. I was offered €4000 for the car without an engine. I got a different mechanic to source & fit the engine who has since researched the problem & said it's a very common problem that VW are ignoring & its not limited to the BXE engine.