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    #92
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    D.Q wrote: »
    Its not laugh out loud funny most of the time, or particularly smart.

    Disagree with all this sentence really, but especially the last part. There are tonnes are smart jokes in this show, both overt and subtle, that it has never got any credit for.

    I love Frasier but I've been watching a lot of it on Netflix lately and it has gone down a bit in my estimations. A lot of really set up storylines that you see how they will unfold long before the punchline, a lot of embarrassing clichés and stereotyping. I would have long said before that Frasier is smarter than Friends but on reflection, not really. And both make me laugh out loud a lot.


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    #93
    Tarzana
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    Also, everyone seems to dislike Mike and love David. I'm the opposite. What an irritating character David was. Milquetoast whiner.


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    #94
    Tarzana
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    Liam O wrote: »
    For some it just wasn't cool I think is the problem.

    Bingo.


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    #95
    paleoperson
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    Tarzana wrote: »
    Disagree with all this sentence really, but especially the last part. There are tonnes are smart jokes in this show, both overt and subtle, that it has never got any credit for.

    I love Frasier but I've been watching a lot of it on Netflix lately and it has gone down a bit in my estimations. A lot of really set up storylines that you see how they will unfold long before the punchline, a lot of embarrassing clichés and stereotyping. I would have long said before that Frasier is smarter than Friends but on reflection, not really. And both make me laugh out loud a lot.

    yeah, long ago when I was younger I liked Frasier. As I've grown up and become more wise to the world, I've realized how unrealistic and silly it all is. I no longer find it funny at all. You can be unrealistic and good, but with something like The Big Bang Theory the joke is supposed to be on their exaggerated personalities. Frasier is just unrealistic in places there is no joke.

    3rd Rock from the Sun is for me the best American sitcom of all time.


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    #96
    Tarzana
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    paleoperson wrote: »
    yeah, long ago when I was younger I liked Frasier. As I've grown up and become more wise to the world, I've realized how unrealistic and silly it all is. I no longer find it funny at all. You can be unrealistic and good, but with something like The Big Bang Theory the joke is supposed to be on their exaggerated personalities. Frasier is just unrealistic in places there is no joke.

    Well, I still really enjoy Frasier. I just think its place as one of the smartest sitcoms isn't wholly deserved.

    Hate TBBT though, I'm afraid, it rarely raises a titter in me. I also don't enjoy Curb Your Enthusiasm at all, but Seinfeld was great.

    Comedy really is an individual thing, isn't it?


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    #97
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    paleoperson wrote: »
    yeah, long ago when I was younger I liked Frasier. As I've grown up and become more wise to the world, I've realized how unrealistic and silly it all is. I no longer find it funny at all. You can be unrealistic and good, but with something like The Big Bang Theory the joke is supposed to be on their exaggerated personalities. Frasier is just unrealistic in places there is no joke.

    3rd Rock from the Sun is for me the best American sitcom of all time.

    Every comedy is somewhat unrealistic.If they were realistic we wouldn't need to be watching them as our lives would be hilarious already.


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    #98
    JP Liz V1
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    Tarzana wrote: »
    Also, everyone seems to dislike Mike and love David. I'm the opposite. What an irritating character David was. Milquetoast whiner.



    Who were they in Friends
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    #99
    Tarzana
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Who were they in Friends

    Mike was the dude Phoebe married, David was her boyfriend briefly before he went off to Minsk.


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    #100
    JP Liz V1
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    Tarzana wrote: »
    Mike was the dude Phoebe married, David was her boyfriend briefly before he went off to Minsk.


    Paul Rudd was awesome as Mike, love him he is a great comedic actor
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    #101
    FunLover18
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    FairytaleGirl wrote: »
    The leather trouser/talc fiasco?

    #dead

    I hate the tan and leather trousers! That contrived, embarrassing situation humour really doesn't work for me.
    Tarzana wrote: »
    Disagree with all this sentence really, but especially the last part. There are tonnes are smart jokes in this show, both overt and subtle, that it has never got any credit for.

    I love Frasier but I've been watching a lot of it on Netflix lately and it has gone down a bit in my estimations. A lot of really set up storylines that you see how they will unfold long before the punchline, a lot of embarrassing clichés and stereotyping. I would have long said before that Frasier is smarter than Friends but on reflection, not really. And both make me laugh out loud a lot.

    Is not every single character in Friends a cliché stereotype? Bimbo waitress, good looking actor, woman obsessed with cleaning and having babies, the kooky hippy, the nerd who gets the girl, the funny one. And Friends has its fair share of set up storylines.


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    #102
    Tipsy McSwagger
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    paleoperson wrote: »
    yeah, long ago when I was younger I liked Frasier. As I've grown up and become more wise to the world, I've realized how unrealistic and silly it all is. I no longer find it funny at all. You can be unrealistic and good, but with something like The Big Bang Theory the joke is supposed to be on their exaggerated personalities. Frasier is just unrealistic in places there is no joke.

    3rd Rock from the Sun is for me the best American sitcom of all time.

    Aliens from another planet living as humans are more realistic than a shrink living in a fancy apartment in Seattle?


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    #103
    Tarzana
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    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Is not every single character in Friends a cliché stereotype? Bimbo waitress, good looking actor, woman obsessed with cleaning and having babies, the kooky hippy, the nerd who gets the girl, the funny one. And Friends has its fair share of set up storylines.

    Aye, but is Friends ever really cited as one of the smartest shows out there? You missed my point.


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    #104
    SherlockWatson
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    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    Aliens from another planet living as humans are more realistic than a shrink living in a fancy apartment in Seattle?

    You must have missed this part -
    paleoperson wrote: »
    You can be unrealistic and good


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    #105
    D.Q
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    Tarzana wrote: »
    Aye, but is Friends ever really cited as one of the smartest shows out there? You missed my point.

    I dont know where this "Frasier is a smart show" sentiment comes from. The CHARACTERS are smart, but the show itself is just a sitcom. It has clever dialogue.

    Friends just veers too much into the cheesy side of things for me. Its perfect hangover tv, dont think, and laugh every so often.


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    #106
    Saipanne
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    I've come to appreciate Friends, of late. Great show.


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    #107
    NufcNavan
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    Pheobe should have been checked into the mental ward after she started storing rats in the same place where she kept and prepared her food.

    Ridiculous character.

    As I've said here before, the show as a whole peaked and then started to go into decline after Ross' wedding in London.

    I think the actors/actresses got lazy in the last few seasons and just hammed up their stereotypes. The only exception was Jennifer Anniston who was the only one who had a respectable career outside of Friends at the time.


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    #108
    Saipanne
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    NufcNavan wrote: »
    Pheobe should have been checked into the mental ward after she started storing rats in the same place where she kept and prepared her food.

    Ridiculous character.

    Yeah, but the whole show is fairly silly. It's a comedy, not a drama.


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    #109
    NufcNavan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Yeah, but the whole show is fairly silly. It's a comedy, not a drama.
    So? Doesn't mean humans suddenly do not behave like humans.

    Joey was so stupid by the end that he couldn't even replicate sound, something a 1 year old can do.


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    #110
    Saipanne
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    NufcNavan wrote: »
    So? Doesn't mean humans suddenly do not behave like humans.

    Joey was so stupid by the end that he couldn't even replicate sound, something a 1 year old can do.

    Actually, in the world of the imagined, anything goes. If it were up to people like you, we'd just have documentaries, reality shows and paintings of fruit.


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    #111
    Tarzana
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    D.Q wrote: »
    I dont know where this "Frasier is a smart show" sentiment comes from. The CHARACTERS are smart, but the show itself is just a sitcom. It has clever dialogue.

    Friends just veers too much into the cheesy side of things for me. Its perfect hangover tv, dont think, and laugh every so often.

    Friends can definitely be frequently cloying. That turns off a lot of people understandably. And I think it distracts from the sharp humour the show frequently displays.

    Frasier is quite clever but not as clever as its made out to be. Daphne's awful family being a case in point.

    But I thoroughly enjoy both shows.


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    #112
    micks_address
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    Interestingly our 11 year old son finds friends hilarious. We've had a few debates about whether it's all suitable but most I'd harmless. At the moment he's watching fresh Prince. I guess somethings age well


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    #113
    NufcNavan
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    Saipanne wrote: »
    Actually, in the world of the imagined, anything goes. If it were up to people like you, we'd just have documentaries, reality shows and paintings of fruit.
    People like me, lol.

    So Joey speaking like a spaz is hilarious then, despite it being completely out of character from the rest of the show? Joey was always dim but clever in a way. He progressed into being an out and out gob****e by the last season.

    I have no problem with artistic license, but there's a difference between that and jumping the shark with silly and unrealistic storylines (Joey speaking French, Pheobes attraction to rats etc.)


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    #114
    Saipanne
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    NufcNavan wrote: »
    People like me, lol.

    So Joey speaking like a spaz is hilarious then, despite it being completely out of character from the rest of the show? Joey was always dim but clever in a way. He progressed into being an out and out gob****e by the last season.

    I have no problem with artistic license, but there's a difference between that and jumping the shark with silly and unrealistic storylines (Joey speaking French, Pheobes attraction to rats etc.)

    No, there is no difference. That's the point I made.


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    #115
    NufcNavan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    Saipanne wrote: »
    No, there is no difference. That's the point I made.
    You said "anything goes". If that's the case then there's no need for directors. Might as well let a child do it.


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    #116
    ElWalrus
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    I suppose it's obvious its not as popular these days as it was during its heyday, but for me (and perhaps particular age-groups) there is a certain kind of nostalgia attached to the first couple of seasons. It was one of those shows that you grew up with, which is harder to see happening these days given the way a lot of people's TV viewing habits are now (on-demand tv/binging on box-sets).

    Also, I guess it kind of offered you an idealized version of the future 20-something life, you know, out on your own but doing ok, proper dating as opposed to trying to score in a nightclub you got into with a fake id, close group of friends who got your back, etc. All of this fitted in nicely with an optimistic teenage outlook. All the while being funny with a largely likable and believable cast. Until they went to England anyway:pac:.

    Show went downhill after that all right, but at that stage you were invested so the show ploughed on on the back of its previously gained popularity. Just my €0.02 anyway.:cool:


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    #117
    Frank Lee Midere
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    Tarzana wrote: »
    Friends can definitely be frequently cloying. That turns off a lot of people understandably. And I think it distracts from the sharp humour the show frequently displays.

    Frasier is quite clever but not as clever as its made out to be. Daphne's awful family being a case in point.

    But I thoroughly enjoy both shows.

    A lot of the cleverness in Fraiser was not the comedy but the name dropping. Niles and Fraiser used to make jokes which referenced Opera stars or obscure authors, as to whether these jokes were funny on their own terms ( or just funny because they referenced obscure people) I don't think anybody really could tell.

    Not that it was bad but there was nothing going on if Fraiser wasn't in the scene. Unlike other ensemble comedies - and it has a large cast - the main character had to be there at all times. Or it wasn't funny. Niles and Daphne. Shoot me. Roz and a boyfriend. I am turning over.

    Fraiser and anybody was funny.


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    #118
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    A lot of the cleverness in Fraiser was not the comedy but the name dropping. Niles and Fraiser used to make jokes which referenced Opera stars or obscure authors, as to whether these jokes were funny on their own terms ( or just funny because they referenced obscure people) I don't think anybody really could tell.

    Not that it was bad but there was nothing going on if Fraiser wasn't in the scene. Unlike other ensemble comedies - and it has a large cast - the main character had to be there at all times. Or it wasn't funny. Niles and Daphne. Shoot me. Roz and a boyfriend. I am turning over.

    Fraiser and anybody was funny.


    One of the best episodes "Moon Dance" barely featured Frasier at all.Some people consider Niles silent scene at the start of the 3 Valentines episode to be the best in the shows history.So I don't think having Frasier present at all times was essential to the show.

    Frasier's humour was very sharp and contained a lot of dry wit compared to most other sitcoms. Thats why it was considered to be clever.


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    #119
    dark crystal
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    IvySlayer wrote: »
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    White teeth!

    Ross became my favourite character after Chandler lost his mojo after getting with Monica.

    On a sidenote, who was everyone's favourite guest star? For me, it has to be Adam Goldberg as Chandler's short-lived housemate, crazy Eddie Menuek. The episode where he accuses Chander of sleeping with his ex and killing his fish is one of my all time favourites.


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    #120
    D.Q
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    Tarzana wrote: »
    Friends can definitely be frequently cloying. That turns off a lot of people understandably. And I think it distracts from the sharp humour the show frequently displays.

    Frasier is quite clever but not as clever as its made out to be. Daphne's awful family being a case in point.

    But I thoroughly enjoy both shows.

    yeah absolutely. I really enjoy them both for what they are. Any episode of friends pre monica/chandler is generally good for a laugh, and plenty after too, but the sappy side definitely started coming into it after they got together. I suppose I prefer the Seinfeld mantra of "no one ever learns a lesson, and no one ever hugs."


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    #121
    D.Q
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    White teeth!

    Ross became my favourite character after Chandler lost his mojo after getting with Monica.

    On a sidenote, who was everyone's favourite guest star? For me, it has to be Adam Goldberg as Chandler's short-lived housemate, crazy Eddie Menuek. The episode where he accuses Chander of sleeping with his ex and killing his fish is one of my all time favourites.

    yep. Absolutely. Those few episodes with Eddies arrival, and joeys eventual return to the apt are my favourite friends episodes by far.


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