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I do something similar when I mess up dinner. Just pretend it's what you meant to do all along, no-one will ever know.No no see he has a specific plan, except when people do something different, which he allows, as part of his plan.He'll get there ... eventually ... but perhaps not by His preferred route.:)
So, his Plan can be thwarted by humans. What will he do if we keep thwarting him forever with our pesky free will? Another flood maybe?
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That's kinda how it works allright ... everybody gets to choose between God's justice and God's mercy.
Neither myself nor God is happy with this ....
seems the god you just happen to believe in - out of historys endless parade of them
is a sexist racist murderous cnut
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but the alternative, of fallen men being immortal, would be unconscionable ... just imagine a thousand Hitlers or Stalins wielding their power hungry brutality (as a result of the fall) ... and they couldn't die (or be killed) ... it would be a recipe for hell on earth for us all.
so immortal hitler will get people to try kill the immortal jews?
so what you're saying is the concentration camps never happened because they were ineffective as there could be no final solution, nobody died and the nuke had no affect in Japan? Infact nobody died at all during any of our wars.
WWI as it happened could never have happened as there was no assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, so that war didn't kill the approx 13million people affected.
Hitler likely never would have risen to power because he was never involved in WW1 because it never happened and various key figures who previously held power never could have died since they were immortal.
So I think you'll find that this planet would have a very very different history if everybody was immortal. Even one random man not falling down on the street and dieing could change the course of our history because it could cause somebody more important to be someplace at a different time,
So what we've learned is wars cause no deaths what so ever so the stuff we look back at as awful in our history, the camps, how stalin had people killed, the killing fields, all those deaths in vietnam just never ever happened.
So the stuff you are saying would be worse with immortality.....wouldn't have happened in the first place
The planet would get abit crowded though, but thats a totally different issue. But it would also be gods plan so thats ok.0 -
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Someone referred to God being outsmarted by a snake.
He wasn't.
Jesus is referred to as the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Even at the point that of the Fall, God spoke of One who would bruise the serpents head.
What had been decided in heaven from eternity past had its outworking on a hill in Jerusalem.
Reading through the thread I see a lot of people who think they can tell us were God or the "spaghetti monster" have failed but for those of us who have experienced Him, He hasn't failed anywhere and the story isn't over yet.
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Cool story bro. Tell it to the thousands of children that die every day despite being prayed for. And die, I might add, from things that you supposed god could quite easily deal with, if he actually existed and gave a sh1t. I guess he cares more about helping sportsmen and woman than sick kids. I am glad it doesn't exist. It would annoy me to know such a massive asshole was out there somewhere.Jasmine Acidic Seal wrote: »Someone referred to God being outsmarted by a snake.
He wasn't.
Jesus is referred to as the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Even at the point that of the Fall, God spoke of One who would bruise the serpents head.
What had been decided in heaven from eternity past had its outworking on a hill in Jerusalem.
Reading through the thread I see a lot of people who think they can tell us were God or the "spaghetti monster" have failed but for those of us who have experienced Him, He hasn't failed anywhere and the story isn't over yet.
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No less, I'm sure, than we are at the makey-uppey everything that goes on in Another ForumI must say I am impressed by the makey-up history that goes on around these parts.
Anyhow, Stalin's relationship with the church was complex - while his rule saw the destruction of many churches, the murder of many religious and the freezing-out of religious people generally, I haven't seen much convincing evidence that he abandoned his own personal religious beliefs after he left the priest-training college in Tbilisi where he'd studied for four/five years.
Stalin was, like Putin is today, a dangerous totalitarian who sees enemies around every corner and who infused the country with paranoia and hatred. But unlike Putin, who's found today's Orthodox Church a useful friend indeed, Stalin chose to see the Orthodox Church as a political threat and he treated it as he treated everything he saw as a political threat - violently.0 -
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so immortal hitler will get people to try kill the immortal jews?
so what you're saying is the concentration camps never happened because they were ineffective as there could be no final solution, nobody died and the nuke had no affect in Japan? Infact nobody died at all during any of our wars.
So what you're basically saying is..Hitler is god's own fault.
JC did nicely ignore what I said about Hitler getting into heaven, as a Christian all he had to do was ask for God's forgiveness yes? and God loves and forgives all right?0 -
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... and so it comes full circle ... back to Sun-worship again.I also have direct evidence for God ... and without Him there would be neither a Sun nor life nor an Earth.
I'll see your Sun ... and raise you the Earth and all life.:)You're correct that it could ruin your faith in Atheism allright!!!:)I think that you're being a bit hard on atheists by calling the place where you meet a 'delusion building'
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...and the conversion of church buildings is a 'two way street' ... here is a list of new Churches ... some in converted buildings in Industrial Estates
http://www.dublinchurches.com/cgi-bin/churchdb/churchdb.cgi?Searchterm=Pentecostal
You're comments are all the same; "I know you are, but what am I?"0 -
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