'Keto' snacks.. as near to zero carbs as possible!

Lunaarli

Would love to know what snacks people have that are in ketosis..

My favourites at the mo are; sliced meat with cream cheese, beef jerky, cheesestrings, cheesy cauliflower (I know, has quite a few carbs), courgette with pesto, cheesecubes!

conzy

packets of cooked meats, quest bars, sugar free jelly, peanut butter, you can get away with small amounts of high fibre breads also

Lunaarli

conzy wrote: »

packets of cooked meats, quest bars, sugar free jelly, peanut butter, you can get away with small amounts of high fibre breads also

Must make some sugar free jelly today.. forgot how nice it is, with a bit of cream too!

My problem with bread is that once I have a taste, I can't contain myself!

dukeraoul

Why would you want to be in ketosis?

Mr. CooL ICE

Hard boiled eggs?

Not sure how 'keto' it is, but I used to fill two sticks of celery with cream cheese and wrap them in parma ham before roasting in the oven until the ham is crispy.

Lunaarli

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Hard boiled eggs?

Not sure how 'keto' it is, but I used to fill two sticks of celery with cream cheese and wrap them in parma ham before roasting in the oven until the ham is crispy.

Wish I could stomach raw celery, hard celery makes my retch.. one of the only foods to do so!

dukeraoul

these fad diets are beyond idiotic

conzy

dukeraoul wrote: »

these fad diets are beyond idiotic

While being in ketosis long term can lead to all sorts of health problems, cyclical ketogenic diets are a very safe and effective way to shed additional fat when a simple calorie deficit is no longer effective.

99% of people who just want to be "healthy" or have a lot of fat to lose have no need for ketogenic dieting

dukeraoul

conzy wrote: »

While being in ketosis long term can lead to all sorts of health problems, cyclical ketogenic diets are a very safe and effective way to shed additional fat when a simple calorie deficit is no longer effective.

99% of people who just want to be "healthy" or have a lot of fat to lose have no need for ketogenic dieting

Yeah I just blast out 80 mile weeks to do that.....Works perfectly. I guess most people just want easy solutions though lol

Blacktie.

dukeraoul wrote: »

these fad diets are beyond idiotic

Cool story brah

dukeraoul

Blacktie. wrote: »

Cool story brah

Guess it's a crossfit thing eh?

Stench Blossoms

dukeraoul wrote: »

Guess it's a crossfit thing eh?

No that's paleo.

Mr. CooL ICE

Lunaarli wrote: »

Wish I could stomach raw celery, hard celery makes my retch.. one of the only foods to do so!

It's actually not that bad. I'm the same with raw celery, but don't mind it cooked. Baking these until the ham is crispy softens the celery a lot.

jive

conzy wrote: »

packets of cooked meats, quest bars, sugar free jelly, peanut butter, you can get away with small amounts of high fibre breads also

that sugar free jelly is actually really nice and im not a fan of jelly. having with some of that fat free yogurt has we speak



yes i stole it from your video. no ragretz

ShadowHearth

So decided to read on a bit on this as I never heard about it.

Holy crap, no thanks! Can't believe people do this to themselves! I guess each to its own. I will just stick to my walking and general "don't eat ****".

Hanley

In fairness actively seeking ketosis isn't really great now.

Bruno26

conzy wrote: »

While being in ketosis long term can lead to all sorts of health problems

Can you outline those health problems?

Bruno26

Hanley wrote: »

In fairness actively seeking ketosis isn't really great now.

Why?

Hanley

Googles easy to work. Go use that.

Bruno26

Hanley wrote: »

Googles easy to work. Go use that.

Indeed it is. Google doesn't have all the answers. Many contrasting views. Perhaps you could explain why seeking ketosis isn't great?

.ak

Restricting any one type of food from your diet is not a good idea. Without going into the exact details, think about it - your body is designed to process a multitude of different things, and we base them as four simple things; protein, carbs, fat, and fibre. However, it's not black and white as that.

Using keto to 'trick' your body into burning fat is an effective way if you're cycling from one state of diet to another. However in the long term not only does it pose a risk to health but it just simply stops working. Using keto is designed to make your body target fat when looking for energy, however, the real issue is after a while your glycerin levels will run dangerously low, you'll have no fuel to help you be active and your body will target muscle tissue. How quickly this happens depends on how strict you're being.

Any dietician will tell you that you need a wide, varied diet. This isn't just medical tosh spouted out in leaflets, you do actually require as many nutritional sources as possible. Try sticking to a keto diet and do the gym every day; do it for 4 weeks. Then try and eating a balanced diet, try allowing yourself some complex carbs especially building up to a big day in the gym, and keep to your calorie maintenance phase, or have a slight deficit. I guarantee you on the 2nd phase you will feel better and work harder in the gym.

The reason things like keto/aitkens/etc have been popular in recent years is because we do, generally speaking, eat far too many carbs. Especially in Ireland. We have a history of living on a temperate to cold island, with harsh weather - carbs do a great job of helping you store energy when the going gets tough. Through the years we've kept hold of that and we still love our 'taters as a result. But with modern day miracles, such as duvets and indoor heating, we simply don't need to eat like that. But people raised on a high-carb diet and are overweight feel that carbs are the devil and they must be eliminated.

So, is keto wrong? No. Is it beneficial in the long term? No, not really. I go on low-carb diets from time to time myself, but only as a cycle. I do 4 or 6 weeks of hard grafting in the gym every day, eating balanced and probably a little more carbs then protein, then I come off it, do some aerobic fitness during the week and some light gym work whilst eating low carb diet. I do see more results in those weeks when I do low carb diets, but if I kept it up my work in the gym disappears and quite simply I stop losing fat as effectively.

MaceFace

.ak wrote: »

Restricting any one type of food from your diet is not a good idea. Without going into the exact details, think about it - your body is designed to process a multitude of different things, and we base them as four simple things; protein, carbs, fat, and fibre. However, it's not black and white as that.

Using keto to 'trick' your body into burning fat is an effective way if you're cycling from one state of diet to another. However in the long term not only does it pose a risk to health but it just simply stops working. Using keto is designed to make your body target fat when looking for energy, however, the real issue is after a while your glycerin levels will run dangerously low, you'll have no fuel to help you be active and your body will target muscle tissue. How quickly this happens depends on how strict you're being.

Any dietician will tell you that you need a wide, varied diet. This isn't just medical tosh spouted out in leaflets, you do actually require as many nutritional sources as possible. Try sticking to a keto diet and do the gym every day; do it for 4 weeks. Then try and eating a balanced diet, try allowing yourself some complex carbs especially building up to a big day in the gym, and keep to your calorie maintenance phase, or have a slight deficit. I guarantee you on the 2nd phase you will feel better and work harder in the gym.

The reason things like keto/aitkens/etc have been popular in recent years is because we do, generally speaking, eat far too many carbs. Especially in Ireland. We have a history of living on a temperate to cold island, with harsh weather - carbs do a great job of helping you store energy when the going gets tough. Through the years we've kept hold of that and we still love our 'taters as a result. But with modern day miracles, such as duvets and indoor heating, we simply don't need to eat like that. But people raised on a high-carb diet and are overweight feel that carbs are the devil and they must be eliminated.

So, is keto wrong? No. Is it beneficial in the long term? No, not really. I go on low-carb diets from time to time myself, but only as a cycle. I do 4 or 6 weeks of hard grafting in the gym every day, eating balanced and probably a little more carbs then protein, then I come off it, do some aerobic fitness during the week and some light gym work whilst eating low carb diet. I do see more results in those weeks when I do low carb diets, but if I kept it up my work in the gym disappears and quite simply I stop losing fat as effectively.

The first half of this post is just wrong! You do not need carbs in your diet.
Using fat as an energy source is not a trick, it is how humans functioned for long periods for millennia.

I have done strict keto at a deficit, unbroken for 3 months with the only side effect being constipation due to lack of fibre. Supplementing with fibre and a multi vitamin and increased sodium intake eliminated all side affects and my lifts increased and cardio sessions as intense as ever.

Is a lifestyle choice but to be clear keto should mean high fat and moderate protein and not just high protein.

generic2012

MaceFace wrote: »

The first half of this post is just wrong! You do not need carbs in your diet.
Using fat as an energy source is not a trick, it is how humans functioned for long periods for millennia.

I have done strict keto at a deficit, unbroken for 3 months with the only side effect being constipation due to lack of fibre. Supplementing with fibre and a multi vitamin and increased sodium intake eliminated all side affects and my lifts increased and cardio sessions as intense as ever.

Is a lifestyle choice but to be clear keto should mean high fat and moderate protein and not just high protein.

Did humans have a blocked arsehole that created the need for fibre supplements, multi-vitamins and increased sodium intakes for 'long periods of millenia' too?

ford2600

generic2012 wrote: »

Did humans have a blocked arsehole that created the need for fibre supplements, multi-vitamins and increased sodium intakes for 'long periods of millenia' too?

Is it not easier to get fibre from veg and fruit. If eating properly, no matter what the macro breakdown I don't see need for multi vitamins either.

I'd be interested in long term effects of Ketogenic diet also.

Mellor

dukeraoul wrote: »

Guess it's a crossfit thing eh?

What's it got to do with crossfit?

cletus van damme

MaceFace wrote: »

The first half of this post is just wrong! You do not need carbs in your diet.
Using fat as an energy source is not a trick, it is how humans functioned for long periods for millennia.
.

It never ceases to amuse me how fitness folk seem to be so qualified in what our ancestors ate.
The utter bollocks I read on the net of the type "our ancestors drank camel piss for protein...you should too and reject modern thinking"

Fcuk off the lot of you - unless you are an archaeologist.

How people ate yonks ago is not relevant unless you know how they lived and what condition they were in.
This idea that all prehistoric men were conan the barbarian clones types fighting wholly mammoths with their bare hands is claptrap.

a modern example would be vegans. I know 2 vegans of 20+ years devotion , they survive handy enough and are probably healthy enough but their physical condition is not something to be aspired too.
But historically somebody may look at them and say - they survived on veg. "big deal" says me "did you see the state of them?"

As for the piece in bold - I really doubt it, methinks they be eating fruit or veg which contain carbs. The inuit diet is probably as close to a fat laden diet as you get and they eat berries and roots etc...

generic2012

cletus van damme wrote: »

It never ceases to amuse me how fitness folk seem to be so qualified in what our ancestors ate.
The utter bollocks I read on the net of the type "our ancestors drank camel piss for protein...you should too and reject modern thinking"

Fcuk off the lot of you - unless you are an archaeologist.

How people ate yonks ago is not relevant unless you know how they lived and what condition they were in.
This idea that all prehistoric men were conan the barbarian clones types fighting wholly mammoths with their bare hands is claptrap.

a modern example would be vegans. I know 2 vegans of 20+ years devotion , they survive handy enough and are probably healthy enough but their physical condition is not something to be aspired too.
But historically somebody may look at them and say - they survived on veg. "big deal" says me "did you see the state of them?"

As for the piece in bold - I really doubt it, methinks they be eating fruit or veg which contain carbs. The inuit diet is probably as close to a fat laden diet as you get and they eat berries and roots etc...

I agree that no one can really know what went on in this magical 'paleo' period, where people seem healthier than they are now but even if people did drink camel piss or didn't eat carbs, what about it? There's no denying that rape is a biologically advantageous practice, it helped the human race in its beginnings. I think we can all agree now however, it's not a good thing and no one should do it. It's the same with this 'paleo' non-sense, we don't what the majority of humans did at the time, and if we did know what they did, it wouldn't mean we should do it now.

I think we're smart enough now, thousands of years later, to think about these things rationally. But then again, it is a lot easier (and seems to come quite naturally to some paleo advocates) to think like a near Neanderthal.

Hanley

generic2012 wrote: »

I think we're smart enough now, thousands of years later, to think about these things rationally. But then again, it is a lot easier (and seems to come quite naturally to some paleo advocates) to think like a near Neanderthal.

That's cos they're not getting enough glycogen to keep the brain ticking over.

generic2012

Hanley wrote: »

That's cos they're not getting enough glycogen to keep the brain ticking over.

Paleo + Time Machine + Dehydrator + Marketing + Gullible people =

http://www.primalblueprint.com/product/Primal_Fuel/Supplements

Sorted, everyone wins.

Dr Nic

MaceFace wrote: »

Using fat as an energy source is not a trick, it is how humans functioned for long periods for millennia.

And what was the average lifespan back then?
This kind of stuff is insane... Ok for a couple of days I suppose but after that... Bananas

Bruno26

Hanley wrote: »

That's cos they're not getting enough glycogen to keep the brain ticking over.

The brain works as well if not better when fuelled primarily by fat.

Any chance you'd explain why seeking ketosis is bad?

ford2600

Bruno26 wrote: »

How do you know this? What are you basing it on?

I don't think he was talking about food! If you reread it!

Bruno26

ford2600 wrote: »

I don't think he was talking about food! If you reread it!

Oh I see now- thanks!

Bruno26

cletus van damme wrote: »

It never ceases to amuse me how fitness folk seem to be so qualified in what our ancestors ate.
The utter bollocks I read on the net of the type "our ancestors drank camel piss for protein...you should too and reject modern thinking"

Fcuk off the lot of you - unless you are an archaeologist.

How people ate yonks ago is not relevant unless you know how they lived and what condition they were in.
This idea that all prehistoric men were conan the barbarian clones types fighting wholly mammoths with their bare hands is claptrap.

a modern example would be vegans. I know 2 vegans of 20+ years devotion , they survive handy enough and are probably healthy enough but their physical condition is not something to be aspired too.
But historically somebody may look at them and say - they survived on veg. "big deal" says me "did you see the state of them?"

As for the piece in bold - I really doubt it, methinks they be eating fruit or veg which contain carbs. The inuit diet is probably as close to a fat laden diet as you get and they eat berries and roots etc...

You should read a few books instead of random websites!
We do know how people ate and lived years ago.

I don't know why people get so worked up . Eat real food- eliminate processed food- limit consumption of sugar. Who cares if people put a label on it.

Hanley

ford2600 wrote: »

I don't think he was talking about food! If you reread it!

Nah, I've people who pay me money to explain things to them waiting.

cletus van damme

Bruno26 wrote: »

The brain works as well if not better when fuelled primarily by fat.

Any chance you'd explain why seeking ketosis is bad?

I recall the bbc documentary where the two twins eat the heavy carb and heavy fat diets.
Carb boy was much more competant at using his brain for quick thinking.
quick thinking keeps you alive - and richer if you read deeply into their "play the stock market" test.
the name of the program escapes me at the min

plus carb boy cycled up the hill a lot faster.

Bruno26 wrote: »

You should read a few books instead of random websites!
We do know how people ate and lived years ago.

the websites I read are no more random than the books you read.
I read loads of books - admittedly not exclusively on food.

Bruno26 wrote: »

I don't know why people get so worked up . Eat real food- eliminate processed food- limit consumption of sugar. Who cares if people put a label on it.

Everybody agrees on that !
but when you bail in preaching a non carb diet I think needs a counter balance . By all means knock yourself out but I don't want people (esp people new to this ) reading threads like this and thinking your approach is gospel. Without counterargument it would present itself as such.

generic2012

Dr Nic wrote: »

And what was the average lifespan back then?
This kind of stuff is insane... Ok for a couple of days I suppose but after that... Bananas

No. Bananas are high in sugar.

Lunaarli

Would like to keep this on topic!!!!

.ak

MaceFace wrote: »

The first half of this post is just wrong! You do not need carbs in your diet.
Using fat as an energy source is not a trick, it is how humans functioned for long periods for millennia.

I have done strict keto at a deficit, unbroken for 3 months with the only side effect being constipation due to lack of fibre. Supplementing with fibre and a multi vitamin and increased sodium intake eliminated all side affects and my lifts increased and cardio sessions as intense as ever.

Is a lifestyle choice but to be clear keto should mean high fat and moderate protein and not just high protein.

Humans didn't eat plants, fruit, and veg? All with high sources of carbs?

Bruno26

Hanley wrote: »

Nah, I've people who pay me money to explain things to them waiting.

Fair play. However I can only presume you are unable to explain why.

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

Fair play. However I can only presume you are unable to explain why.

What does that even mean?

Bruno26

cletus van damme wrote: »

I recall the bbc documentary where the two twins eat the heavy carb and heavy fat diets.
Carb boy was much more competant at using his brain for quick thinking.
quick thinking keeps you alive - and richer if you read deeply into their "play the stock market" test.
the name of the program escapes me at the min

plus carb boy cycled up the hill a lot faster.



the websites I read are no more random than the books you read.
I read loads of books - admittedly not exclusively on food.



Everybody agrees on that !
but when you bail in preaching a non carb diet I think needs a counter balance . By all means knock yourself out but I don't want people (esp people new to this ) reading threads like this and thinking your approach is gospel. Without counterargument it would present itself as such.

That programme was very poor. It's been debunked many times.
The only one preaching here is yourself.

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

That programme was very poor. It's been debunked many times.
The only one preaching here is yourself.

OP said to keep it on-topic Bruno, stop dragging down the conversation. Please just ignore all posts that irritate you and answer the original post. It's very frustrating to see you blatantly ignore the OP.

The Hill Billy

And the he/she has been carded for back-seat modding.
Cut out the sniping & help the OP.
If you cannot all have a civil discussion - I will dish out bans & lock the thread.

tHB

ford2600

The Hill Billy wrote: »

And the he/she has been carded for back-seat modding.
Cut out the sniping & help the OP.
If you cannot all have a civil discussion - I will dish out bans & lock the thread.

tHB

http://dietketo.com/keto-food/fat-bombs/

Op I've never tried these but they might suit.

I have too much fruit in my diet for ketosis and don't see much point to it anyhow.

If your just low carb this is nice; melt dark chocolate lidl/aldi do 80/83% in a bowl (microwave works) place home roasted hazelnuts into chocolate. Put in fridge to set.shake cinnamon on top and enjoy

generic2012

ford2600 wrote: »

If your just low carb this is nice; melt dark chocolate lidl/aldi do 80/83% in a bowl (microwave works) place home roasted hazelnuts into chocolate. Put in fridge to set.shake cinnamon on top and enjoy

That actually sounds lovely

ford2600

generic2012 wrote: »

That actually sounds lovely

It's delicious. My carb heavy brother thought it up!

Bruno26

Eggs, , some types of cheese, macadamia nuts, dark choc, boiled ham, avocado and almond butter, Greek yogurt and cinnamon, homemade smoothie (coffee, ice, almond butter, coconut cream, milk)

Mickery

Eggs scrambled with chilli flakes and coconut or olive oil, add in chopped rashers and cheddar cheese (feta is nice too).

Flavour with black pepper, salt and spices.

Tesco do a delicious chopped pork belly, spices and garlic mix if you want to try that instead of rashers. Can't think of the name of it

Mmmm I'm starving.

generic2012

Jar of peanut butter and a spoon.

Remmy

Beef Jerky is a good suggestion. Anyone ever try Biltong? Keep seeing it on different food blogs but it isn't to easy to find in Ireland.